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Is anyone else concerned about the lack of genuine talent in the state sides? I know we've been blessed for the last 15 odd years but the talent pool appears to be drying up and the state sides are now finally starting to resemble county teams in England.
Having a look at some of the averages during the first round of state games the other day and I was shocked at how some blokes were continually getting picked. Teams like Queensland and South Australia have some talent but also very average players. The other day Qld's best bowler in the 4 day game had a career average of about 45-50. How Simpson is the captain and keeps getting picked is beyond me, this guy is a spud.
I know there are a couple of young guns around but geez its getting thin, especially the batting.
Who are your future stars for Australia?
 
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Bennycoff;371309 said:
Is anyone else concerned about the lack of genuine talent in the state sides? I know we've been blessed for the last 15 odd years but the talent pool appears to be drying up and the state sides are now finally starting to resemble county teams in England.
Having a look at some of the averages during the first round of state games the other day and I was shocked at how some blokes were continually getting picked. Teams like Queensland and South Australia have some talent but also very average players. The other day Qld's best bowler in the 4 day game had a career average of about 45-50. How Simpson is the captain and keeps getting picked is beyond me, this guy is a spud.
I know there are a couple of young guns around but geez its getting thin, especially the batting.
Who are your future stars for Australia?
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Henriqes, Smith the legspinner, Holland. That is three to start with. I look at that nsw side, without clarke, in the 20/20 from India and it is maybe the best allround cricket team in the world including most if not all national sides ? The vics are not far behind either. So the domestic comp is still fairly strong.
 
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Have to say that I like the look of Smith (mentioned above). Give hima few years and I reckon he'll be in the test side.
 
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macca;371354 said:
Henriqes, Smith the legspinner, Holland. That is three to start with. I look at that nsw side, without clarke, in the 20/20 from India and it is maybe the best allround cricket team in the world including most if not all national sides ? The vics are not far behind either. So the domestic comp is still fairly strong.
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I think the NSW side lacks in batting and bowling depth
 
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Established players under 30 who haven't playerd test cricket (off the top of my head):

SA
Klinger
Ferguson
Cooper
Cosgrove
Christian
O'Brien

VIC
Blizzard
Finch
Hastings
Holland
McKay
Quiney
Wade

QLD
Simpson
Batticciotto
Cutting
Rimmington
Reardon
Hartley
McDermott
Laughlin

TAS
Birt
Bailey
Butterworth
Geeves
Drew
Doherty
Cowan
Krezja*

NSW
Bird
Casson*
Khawaja
S.Smith
Warner
Henriques

WA
Pomersbach
Marsh
Heal
Doropoulous
Ronchi

*-Played <5 tests

Definitely enough talent there to be a good side for years
 
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I think there's a genuine argument to be made that the increasing rewards in the domestic game are leading to more 'career' first class players, who continue to have lucrative careers well into their 30s. To an extent this reduces opportunities for young players and increases the average player age of the competition. This has been a problem in the English county scene for many years (although it isn't the major reason for that competition's issues).

However I don't think the sky is falling. As the above post notes, there's a ton of young talent out there to serve the national side in the future. If you're worried that you can't see the next McGrath, Warne or Ponting - well, that probably has more to do with the fact that they're once in a lifetime players.
 
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Bennycoff;371309 said:
Is anyone else concerned about the lack of genuine talent in the state sides? I know we've been blessed for the last 15 odd years but the talent pool appears to be drying up and the state sides are now finally starting to resemble county teams in England.
Having a look at some of the averages during the first round of state games the other day and I was shocked at how some blokes were continually getting picked. Teams like Queensland and South Australia have some talent but also very average players. The other day Qld's best bowler in the 4 day game had a career average of about 45-50. How Simpson is the captain and keeps getting picked is beyond me, this guy is a spud.
I know there are a couple of young guns around but geez its getting thin, especially the batting.
Who are your future stars for Australia?
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As a general rule, never use career averages of domestic players.

A players domestic average will almost always be less then what it should be. They start young, have a horrible season and get dropped. Then two years later they are picked again, do just enough to get picked of another season, then have a great season. Even in this great season they may have averaged 60 with the bat for example, but their career average is still 30.

You have to look at current figures, or more reliably, current 'stages'. That QLD 'best bowler' you were speaking of (Laughlin, no?) has an average of 47 but he was always pushed back by Nofke so he didn't have the chance to prove himself. He should have an average of about 28-32.

Simpson was a spud, yes, but has been a great captain that has lead to a runner up in Shefield Shield and a win in the Ford Ranger Cup, with very young and inexperienced sides. He is a good player, but not Test standard.


Oh and I'm not the one to ask on future stars so I don't know why I'm saying anything :eek:.

My future stars are either up and comers from years ago (ie Nofke) or players still playing in low state sides, like the reserve keeper for the U19 side for QLD. He came from one of my rivaling clubs. He just averaged 70 with the bat for a high Brisbane grade side, and is absolutely stunning with the gloves, better then Haddin I must say :p. I think if he keeps performing the way he has for his whole short career he will be in contention, but obviously is a long shot since he is so young. I won't say his name for privacy reasons, but as soon as he gets selected for the U19s I'm not going to shut up about him till we have another Queenslander Keeping for Australia! :p
 
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Queensland today fielded a very young bowling attack that did alright against SA, this idea that we just have dinosaurs playing at state level is a bit rich IMO.

There are a lot of young guys around, conversely you do need to have some old-heads in the team to provide some leadership which in turn further allows players to develop.

That is important, you can't just fill the team with kids because then you'll end up with a rabble, with guys just playing for themselves and consquently development will be inhibited.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;371649 said:
Queensland today fielded a very young bowling attack that did alright against SA, this idea that we just have dinosaurs playing at state level is a bit rich IMO.

There are a lot of young guys around, conversely you do need to have some old-heads in the team to provide some leadership which in turn further allows players to develop.

That is important, you can't just fill the team with kids because then you'll end up with a rabble, with guys just playing for themselves and consquently development will be inhibited.
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Exactly what I have been trying to explain about the Australian team but nobody has been listening!

This year things are a bit on the downturn slightly with a touch too many younger players. Their older players are ones that are old, but inexperienced nonetheless. Losing Love, Bichel, Nofke, Hayden, Symonds, Johnson and players due to injury, the team is very young headed. Hopefully they can show the older guys up around the country.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;371649 said:
Queensland today fielded a very young bowling attack that did alright against SA, this idea that we just have dinosaurs playing at state level is a bit rich IMO.
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I don't see anyone in this thread suggesting that.

The average age of players in the Sheffield Shield has certainly been on the rise for the last couple of decades though. Queensland's young guns are the exception to the rule, so much so that there has been plenty of comment about the fact.

As I said in my previous post, however, the sky certainly isn't falling.
 
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All this rubbish about a lack of talent is a bit silly now dont you think, there is plenty of talent around, they just need to mature a bit.

Any ways try this for a side for the future.

1. James Smith (SA)
2. Tim Paine (TAS)
3. Michael Hill (VIC)
4. Callum Ferguson (SA)
5. Ushman Khawaja (NSW)
6. Ed Cowan (SA)
7. Steve Smith (NSW)
8. Moises Henriques (NSW)
9. John Holland (VIC)
10. Clint McKay
11. ?? McDermott

Handy looking side looking towards the future, speaking of talent, a few kids in the academy in Victoria are doing quite well for themselves.
 
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I have always thought of White as that 'nothing' player as I call them. Not saying he can do nothing, as he has demonstrated, but that is just my name for them.

He is a player that gives his everything and will be involved in anything. Whether it will be a long innings, a few super sixes, an unexpected wicket, a freakish catch or a great run out, White will be involved in one of them almost every game. Saying that though, you cannot have too many in one team due to consistency worries. For me Hopes is already in that position and is now a team member that cannot be dropped, and I would not want to be dropped.

Hopes and White are similar, not in that White is batting inclined and Hopes is the opposite, but the fact that they are players that aren't spectacular. They will both end up with average averages and not really a long standing memory, but they are both vital to the team.

In my mind White doesn't quite have a place.
 
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Kram81;373057 said:
He's what, 25? Hopefully he will be a Captain of the one day side in the future.
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Hopefully.

Just don't like him pushing out perfectly fine players.

I think he will be captain sooner or later.
 
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eddiesmith;373044 said:
I reckon Cameron White could squeeze in there
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I dont,

I agree with Boris, he is not good enough to play at international level as a batsmen, and his bowling has dropped off the map in recent times.

Could talk to Andy Bichel and Shane Warne, about a possibility of being a 12th man specailist fielding at first slip :D
 
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In time for next years ashes? Just to give the poms some of their own medicine, bring out the specialist slip fielder, then bring out the physio.

Im still waiting for the day a batsmen comes out to bat with no clothes on in order to waste time, "middle stump please ump".
 
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Just make them wear masks on the field.

That way you could put the best fielders that are still young enough and then take them off when needed.

I think Andew Symonds would be perfect to wear a Peter Siddle mask :p
 
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Boris;373053 said:
I have always thought of White as that 'nothing' player as I call them. Not saying he can do nothing, as he has demonstrated, but that is just my name for them.

He is a player that gives his everything and will be involved in anything. Whether it will be a long innings, a few super sixes, an unexpected wicket, a freakish catch or a great run out, White will be involved in one of them almost every game. Saying that though, you cannot have too many in one team due to consistency worries. For me Hopes is already in that position and is now a team member that cannot be dropped, and I would not want to be dropped.

Hopes and White are similar, not in that White is batting inclined and Hopes is the opposite, but the fact that they are players that aren't spectacular. They will both end up with average averages and not really a long standing memory, but they are both vital to the team.

In my mind White doesn't quite have a place.
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White is an interesting talent. He has been around for what seems like a long time, but he is still only 25 or 26 I think.

I know there is a lot of love for Fergusson around, but in my mind White is ahead of him as a batsman. White performed strongly in the Shield last year, something clicked in his batting. He matured as a player. And he's been captaining the Vics for a few years now. Another string to his bow is that he is an elite slips fieldsman and a very good fielder all over the ground.

I'd like to see White given the next opportunity in the test side, picked as a middle order batsman. And dont be surprised if he captains the Australian test team at some stage as well.
 
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