English Spinners
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someblokecalleddave
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A lot of people reckon that now that Harmison and Flintoff are definitely/probably out of the equation the options that we're left with a simply not 'Scary'? Which I'm kind of inclined to agree with - Flintoff and Harmison look like Blokes/brutes and the current batch do look like they're probably more concerned with whether their hair looks nice - they're just too young and slight of build, they hardly look intimidating. With regards the spinners I cant see that Rashid will be played much - especially if his action and confidence has been smashed to bit/tampered with?
Boris;398552 said:Was it ever on topic?
As I have said, my English knowledge isn't that good, but I'm trying to improve it.
What are the pace bowling stocks like? Is England capable of playing two spinners so that Tredwell/Rashid can get a game beside Swann?
A lot of people reckon that now that Harmison and Flintoff are definitely/probably out of the equation the options that we're left with a simply not 'Scary'? Which I'm kind of inclined to agree with - Flintoff and Harmison look like Blokes/brutes and the current batch do look like they're probably more concerned with whether their hair looks nice - they're just too young and slight of build, they hardly look intimidating. With regards the spinners I cant see that Rashid will be played much - especially if his action and confidence has been smashed to bit/tampered with?
someblokecalleddave
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I don't really know enough about cricket and or the England set up to speculate. They'll certainly be looking to Swanne to be doing some serious damage, but whether they'll bring in another I've got no idea. The idea that Rashid would be on form and confident for me seemed to be tactically sound - what with having 2 distinctly different approaches Leg-spin and off-spin? Treadwell - I think he just does what Swanne does, so that sounds unlikely that he'll be used much? I'll have to see if he's a Left arm bowler, but if he's RH bowler it doesn't make that much sense to me?
Yeah RH.......
Bowling style Right-arm offbreak
Height 5 ft 11 in
I don't recall England ever bowling two spinners in the same match - but my knowledge is limited.
Boris;398567 said:
I don't really know enough about cricket and or the England set up to speculate. They'll certainly be looking to Swanne to be doing some serious damage, but whether they'll bring in another I've got no idea. The idea that Rashid would be on form and confident for me seemed to be tactically sound - what with having 2 distinctly different approaches Leg-spin and off-spin? Treadwell - I think he just does what Swanne does, so that sounds unlikely that he'll be used much? I'll have to see if he's a Left arm bowler, but if he's RH bowler it doesn't make that much sense to me?
Yeah RH.......
Bowling style Right-arm offbreak
Height 5 ft 11 in
I don't recall England ever bowling two spinners in the same match - but my knowledge is limited.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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There is no way England will play 2 spinners in Australia. England will start the tour with 4 bowlers at the Gabba; how the series progresses from there will dictate whether England stays with the conservative option of 4 bowlers, or whether they employ 5 bowlers to attack the Australians.
England will only play 5 bowlers if they get to Perth and they are 2-0 down or something like that.
There is no way England will play 2 spinners in Australia. England will start the tour with 4 bowlers at the Gabba; how the series progresses from there will dictate whether England stays with the conservative option of 4 bowlers, or whether they employ 5 bowlers to attack the Australians.
England will only play 5 bowlers if they get to Perth and they are 2-0 down or something like that.
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In that case then I wouldn't play the two spinners. If Rashid isn't near the side than I wouldn't play two of the same type of spinner. The only time that should be done IMO is when you have MacGill and Warne in the same team, extremely unlikely.
Seems the most logical thing.
someblokecalleddave;398570 said:
In that case then I wouldn't play the two spinners. If Rashid isn't near the side than I wouldn't play two of the same type of spinner. The only time that should be done IMO is when you have MacGill and Warne in the same team, extremely unlikely.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT;398577 said:
Seems the most logical thing.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Of course it is.
Of course it is.
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they wont use 2 spinners in a test match. very few sides do though really unless theyve got a spinning all rounder. theres a very good chance that they will use 2 spinners at the T20 world cup though. having seen Zimbabwe play out there the other month i think quite a few sides will. add KP into the equation and thats 3 spinners in the side. Collingwood with his cutters, Luke Wright with his medium pace variety, and then Anderson, Broad and probably Bresnan with pace. Tredwell and Swann can both bat, especially at T20 level. so its less of a risk than with a team like Sri Lanka where they might play both Mendis and Murali, but neither of them can bat. at all!
with regards England using 5 bowlers against Aus - that depends on how Swann gets on this summer. there is talks of him being moved upto number 7. if he can cut it as a genuine all rounder then they might consider using 4 quicks and Swann. i think (or hope) England will take it to Australia this time around rather than showing caution though. we need to get past the idea that Australia are big and scary and show some balls, England treat Australian cricket sides with far too much respect for my liking. especially in Australia. why shouldnt we go out for the first test with 5 bowlers? take the game to Australia and back ourselves to win, rather than the usual approach of trying to squeeze through matches without losing and then take whatever wins we can get when they are served up on a plate. Australia gave away the Ashes last year, England certainly didnt take them. we need to go to Aus with a much more attacking mentality if we stand any chance of avoiding another 5-0. at least you dont have Warne anymore though.
they wont use 2 spinners in a test match. very few sides do though really unless theyve got a spinning all rounder. theres a very good chance that they will use 2 spinners at the T20 world cup though. having seen Zimbabwe play out there the other month i think quite a few sides will. add KP into the equation and thats 3 spinners in the side. Collingwood with his cutters, Luke Wright with his medium pace variety, and then Anderson, Broad and probably Bresnan with pace. Tredwell and Swann can both bat, especially at T20 level. so its less of a risk than with a team like Sri Lanka where they might play both Mendis and Murali, but neither of them can bat. at all!
with regards England using 5 bowlers against Aus - that depends on how Swann gets on this summer. there is talks of him being moved upto number 7. if he can cut it as a genuine all rounder then they might consider using 4 quicks and Swann. i think (or hope) England will take it to Australia this time around rather than showing caution though. we need to get past the idea that Australia are big and scary and show some balls, England treat Australian cricket sides with far too much respect for my liking. especially in Australia. why shouldnt we go out for the first test with 5 bowlers? take the game to Australia and back ourselves to win, rather than the usual approach of trying to squeeze through matches without losing and then take whatever wins we can get when they are served up on a plate. Australia gave away the Ashes last year, England certainly didnt take them. we need to go to Aus with a much more attacking mentality if we stand any chance of avoiding another 5-0. at least you dont have Warne anymore though.
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To be fair, Australia lost the Ashes due to two first innings batting collapses; one at the hand of James Anderson at Lords and the other to Stuart Broad at The Oval. Whether or not you put those collapses down to the skill of the bowler or the inept batting of Australia is arguable.
It's alright to bang your chest and drums, and say 'lets attack Australia', but at the same time you have to be realistic. Swann is not a number 7, nor is Broad, especially in Australian conditions - the tailenders don't like the ball whizzing around their head.
Personally, I'd love it if Swann comes out at 7 because his a dangerous free-wheeling tailender, but his not a number 7.
I can't see how England would do anything else but start the series with 4 bowlers. They didn't play 5 bowlers against Bangladesh, so I seriously doubt they'll start with 5 bowlers at the Gabba, especially after what happened during the 4th test when England went in with a 'up and at em' mentality and were duly thumped, nearly inside two days.
England will start with 4 bowlers IMO - however, I guess a lot depends on this summer in England, especially with regards to Trott and his form.
Jim2109;398601 said:
To be fair, Australia lost the Ashes due to two first innings batting collapses; one at the hand of James Anderson at Lords and the other to Stuart Broad at The Oval. Whether or not you put those collapses down to the skill of the bowler or the inept batting of Australia is arguable.
It's alright to bang your chest and drums, and say 'lets attack Australia', but at the same time you have to be realistic. Swann is not a number 7, nor is Broad, especially in Australian conditions - the tailenders don't like the ball whizzing around their head.
Personally, I'd love it if Swann comes out at 7 because his a dangerous free-wheeling tailender, but his not a number 7.
I can't see how England would do anything else but start the series with 4 bowlers. They didn't play 5 bowlers against Bangladesh, so I seriously doubt they'll start with 5 bowlers at the Gabba, especially after what happened during the 4th test when England went in with a 'up and at em' mentality and were duly thumped, nearly inside two days.
England will start with 4 bowlers IMO - however, I guess a lot depends on this summer in England, especially with regards to Trott and his form.
mas cambios
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Please can we refrain from discussing why Australia lost the last ashes. It has been done to death on almost every thread on the board, regardless of what the topic started out as.
If you really must talk about it then do so in the correct forums.
I'll be going through this thread and splitting it into the relevant topics - sorry but it needs to be done.
Please can we refrain from discussing why Australia lost the last ashes. It has been done to death on almost every thread on the board, regardless of what the topic started out as.
If you really must talk about it then do so in the correct forums.
I'll be going through this thread and splitting it into the relevant topics - sorry but it needs to be done.
legspinner_don
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Really mos_cambios? It's not like there's any annimosity.
Tredwell is an average county bowler who offers nothing at international level, imo. At least not in test cricket. He's a decent bowler/batsman/fielder so in that regard he'd be useful in T20s... but that's all. Yardy could play as the other spinner in England's T20 side. He's an SLA and is a better batsman, as well as having considerable experience captaining Sussex to the T20 cup win and subsequently captaining in the CL.
Really mos_cambios? It's not like there's any annimosity.
Tredwell is an average county bowler who offers nothing at international level, imo. At least not in test cricket. He's a decent bowler/batsman/fielder so in that regard he'd be useful in T20s... but that's all. Yardy could play as the other spinner in England's T20 side. He's an SLA and is a better batsman, as well as having considerable experience captaining Sussex to the T20 cup win and subsequently captaining in the CL.
mas cambios
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Maybe not but it's been done to death and is getting to the point where it is having a detrimental effect on the site. A majority of what posted in this thread is great but it would be better off separated into topics.
Saying that, it's an admin decision and I'm not going to get into a debate about it.
legspinner_don;398634 said:
Maybe not but it's been done to death and is getting to the point where it is having a detrimental effect on the site. A majority of what posted in this thread is great but it would be better off separated into topics.
Saying that, it's an admin decision and I'm not going to get into a debate about it.
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that smacks of hypocrisy don, yardy's a horrendous spinner, and he's not what you'd call a quality batsman either. tredwell in the short form is a very dangerous spinner, because he's not afraid to flight the ball, give it some air. personally i'd have taken someone like david wainwright, the yorkshire left arm spinner, because he bats and bowls better than both in my honest opinion, but he's still only a young lad.
legspinner_don;398634 said:
that smacks of hypocrisy don, yardy's a horrendous spinner, and he's not what you'd call a quality batsman either. tredwell in the short form is a very dangerous spinner, because he's not afraid to flight the ball, give it some air. personally i'd have taken someone like david wainwright, the yorkshire left arm spinner, because he bats and bowls better than both in my honest opinion, but he's still only a young lad.
legspinner_don
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It's not hyprocisy, it's an opinion. Yardy is a better batsman than Tredwell, I never said he was quality. I just don't think Tredwell offers much more than what Pietersen, Collingwood or Yardy could fulfill in a T20 game. I am by no means advocating that Yardy should start for England, I just don't think Tredwell should either. But as you say, they should have picked a more talented spinner to go with the squad.
Tumo;398673 said:
It's not hyprocisy, it's an opinion. Yardy is a better batsman than Tredwell, I never said he was quality. I just don't think Tredwell offers much more than what Pietersen, Collingwood or Yardy could fulfill in a T20 game. I am by no means advocating that Yardy should start for England, I just don't think Tredwell should either. But as you say, they should have picked a more talented spinner to go with the squad.
legspinner_don
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But perhaps the best reason for Yardy to be in the squad is his experience in captaining Sussex to the T20 cup win last year. Collingwood is inexperienced in this area, and Yardy would at least bring some ideas to the table.
But perhaps the best reason for Yardy to be in the squad is his experience in captaining Sussex to the T20 cup win last year. Collingwood is inexperienced in this area, and Yardy would at least bring some ideas to the table.