There is some good content here that you can work with. What works for me personally is the pivot movement. Try to pivot as much as you can and make sure that your bowling shoulder faces the batsmen after you deliver the ball . I myself need some advice with my leg spin, but I'm a new member here so I have to post a few comments before I can start a thread
how to get extra spin?
- Thread starter Basit770
- Start date
I don't think I can wait long enough to ask for some advice/tips/drills in order to fix my problem.
Okay so I'm 21 years old, and have been bowling leg spin for a while. Apart from leg spin, I can bowl the flipper quite well and have decent control over it, but I have barely been able to bowl googlies and sliders. This year, I have made it a point to learn these deliverers.
So the problem is that although I can bowl the google at say 15 yards without a runup quite well, and even at 18 yards, I cannot bowl it with my full action. either it doesn't turn or it comes out as a top spinner or even a bit of leg spin, and rarely, it comes out okay, in the sense that it turns just a bit.
I reckon its my action, because i can do it consistently and well without it (standing still or taking a few steps over a bit of a shorter pitch size)
The slider for me has been very difficult and I saw Dave's and warnes/jenners videos and I did dave's drill that he had, i have been able to do it successfully but cant replicate it in my full action or even while standing and delivering, it usually leg spins, sometimes a lot sometimes not that much. I really appreciate your help, and Dave, I'd just like to say you rock! Its really nice to see your involvement and your willingness to help everyone. I'vh read all your stuff and its really great. I'vh learnt a fair bit from you as well. Thank you
Please guys help me out. I am eagerly awaiting to hear from you guys,
Jaiveer
Okay so I'm 21 years old, and have been bowling leg spin for a while. Apart from leg spin, I can bowl the flipper quite well and have decent control over it, but I have barely been able to bowl googlies and sliders. This year, I have made it a point to learn these deliverers.
So the problem is that although I can bowl the google at say 15 yards without a runup quite well, and even at 18 yards, I cannot bowl it with my full action. either it doesn't turn or it comes out as a top spinner or even a bit of leg spin, and rarely, it comes out okay, in the sense that it turns just a bit.
I reckon its my action, because i can do it consistently and well without it (standing still or taking a few steps over a bit of a shorter pitch size)
The slider for me has been very difficult and I saw Dave's and warnes/jenners videos and I did dave's drill that he had, i have been able to do it successfully but cant replicate it in my full action or even while standing and delivering, it usually leg spins, sometimes a lot sometimes not that much. I really appreciate your help, and Dave, I'd just like to say you rock! Its really nice to see your involvement and your willingness to help everyone. I'vh read all your stuff and its really great. I'vh learnt a fair bit from you as well. Thank you
Please guys help me out. I am eagerly awaiting to hear from you guys,
Jaiveer
You don't need to be able to bowl a googly, Warne didn't. If you can get good turn on your stock ball, then simply by intelligently mixing up topspin and backspin and changes in pace to vary the dip, drift, bounce, or skid should give you the tools to get rid of any batsman.
someblokecalleddave
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the endorsement Jaiveer and I'm pleased to have been of some assistance! I'm kind of with SLA to some extent, it's not that essential to have a Googly and people do obviously get by without it. I think I say that coming from the position of someone that felt like you and was pretty much determined to have the Googly as one of my variations and then went about it in a particular way and I reckon I'm still suffering from the consequences 3 or 4 years later! I used to try it every now and then and never got anywhere - much the same as you and then one day I set out to work on it and focus on it 100%. I can't recall the exact sequence of events, but I eventually got it to turn and that then provided the impetus to keep going and I spent hours just bowling nothing but Googlies, those hours made a big difference. I soon realised that I could turn the ball more with my Googly and all I needed to do was get the accuracy and flight right and over a couple of weeks I nailed it, but it had taken 100% committment and over that period I'd totally ignore by Leg Break.
When I went back to the Leg Break it wasn't there, I couldn't bowl it anymore and I just thought that it was a temporary anomally and didn't worry about it and thought in the short term I'll just carry on bowling my new Googly. The temporary anomally in fact was the 'Googly Syndrome' (I'm convinced that I invented the term for it)! and it's a phenomenon that's often noted by Wrist Spinners that have difficulty in learning and bowling the Googly. In essence if you do commit to it too much, it's a recognised fact that you will lose your ability to bowl the Leg Break. As I said 3-4 years after recognising the syndrome, I'm pretty sure that my Leg Breaks is a lesser 'Animal' because of the Googly Syndrome. In one of the books I've read in the last 6-7 years there was an account written by one of the great spinners (Ashley Mallett, Grimmett or Peter Philpott) on Bill O'Reilly's bowling who as I recall bowled the Googly exceptionally well - I'm beginning to think the writer may have been Grimmett? The writers analysis of the Googly was that bio-mechanically the Googly is in fact a far more natural way to bowl, suggesting if you set out at the start of your bowling career bowling it, you'll never be able to bowl a good Leg Break. In fact there are pro bowlers as I’m sure you know that are Googly specialists and they never bowl Leg Breaks. I’m sure you’ve also read that bowling and mastering the Leg Break is in fact the most difficult of all the disciplines in cricket and this is universally agreed. This is in part I would suggest, is due to the fact that the Leg Break is an unusual way of throwing/bowling a ball and is bio-mechanically very difficult.
So I would suggest that you’re very careful with your process of learning the Googly. Having gone for a very long period of not bowling it, I found it very easy to re-introduce to my bowling and I’ll be working with it this summer and at the moment in the nets, but I’ll be cautious – constantly checking my Leg Break. But what I have found is that if I bowl the Top-Spinner and do it very well, it takes only a little tweak of the wrist to get it breaking towards off and although this is minimal – it’s enough. I’d suggest you work with your Top-Spinner, get that nailed so that it comes out with a vertical seam and spins hard and then look to just adjust the wrist a smidge to get it turning to off. But always return to your Leggie and check it out constantly.
Mubarak Zeb
New Member
Thanks guys for the feedback. I am also struggling with my runner-up, I bowl very well with good turn and pace if I just bowl straight from delivery stride. But if I do runner-up (4-6 strides) I just loose my momentum and bowl loopy slow bowls which the batsman just smash for a six.
Any advice on the above?
Any advice on the above?
someblokecalleddave
Well-Known Member
I'm having the same problem and I'm undecided at the moment, I've got a few weeks to get it sorted, but I think it's down to making a decision and then working with what-ever you go for?
legspinbowler
Member
Ashley Mallett says that the more time you spend on your front foot, the more revs you will put on the ball. More revs also doesn't necessarily mean more spin. You have to make sure you have the right seam position and you're not undercutting the ball.
Mubarak Zeb
New Member
Hi mate. I have a very very good start to this season (thanks to this forum and thanks to the shane warne's tutorial on youtube, which I have watched over 1000+ times ).
Regarding the runner-up, I have shorten my runner-up to a funny 2-3 yards only, I start from very close to umpire. I have played 3 matches with 7 wickets and given only 50-60 runs. My legbreak and wrong'uns are at its best!! Need to work on top spinner though!
Thanks!
someblokecalleddave
Well-Known Member
There's definitely something in that, all the bio-mechanists and experts say get up on the ball of your foot and stand tall.
A wicket every 8 runs, that sounds pretty decent, not quite on par with Gundalf over in the main thread. How many overs have you had for those 50-60 runs are going for more than a run a ball?