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A nice flipper first up dy abdul Qadir YouTube - Abdul Qadir 3 for 31 v England @ Karachi World Cup 87
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Googlies can be as dangerous as a 90mph delivery Saleem Yousuf takes one in the mouth | Free Sports Videos - Watch Sports Videos Online | Veoh
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I've not come across this before and there's a few useful points and one relating to something Jim said a few weeks back elsewhere. When you're learning bowl, do so on a surface that allows the ball to turn if you are spinning it. Another good point is about giving the ball some air. Have a look, it is primarily for finger spinners but some good stuff all the same. Oh yeah ignore what the geezer with the mullet says at the start, as it's hardly 'All you need to know about spin bowling' Ha! Ha!
YouTube - How To Bowl Spin
I've not come across this before and there's a few useful points and one relating to something Jim said a few weeks back elsewhere. When you're learning bowl, do so on a surface that allows the ball to turn if you are spinning it. Another good point is about giving the ball some air. Have a look, it is primarily for finger spinners but some good stuff all the same. Oh yeah ignore what the geezer with the mullet says at the start, as it's hardly 'All you need to know about spin bowling' Ha! Ha!
YouTube - How To Bowl Spin
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Just stumbled across this again - it's the video clip that starts this thread off, but having looked at it again, it's got a couple of sequences that explain the 'Explosion through the crease' in more detail than most and as the Beau Casson clip has now gone I reckon this is the next best thing.
Queensland Cricket - First Innings - Beyond Basic Bowling
There's also this but again it's another of those links that are looking for your hard earned cash, which increasingly seem to be appearing on the internet, just a little taster and then it cuts you off. http://www.cricketinstitute.com/sample.ppt
Just stumbled across this again - it's the video clip that starts this thread off, but having looked at it again, it's got a couple of sequences that explain the 'Explosion through the crease' in more detail than most and as the Beau Casson clip has now gone I reckon this is the next best thing.
Queensland Cricket - First Innings - Beyond Basic Bowling
There's also this but again it's another of those links that are looking for your hard earned cash, which increasingly seem to be appearing on the internet, just a little taster and then it cuts you off. http://www.cricketinstitute.com/sample.ppt
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Here's a very well put together and totally free video on how to bowl leg breaks and some technical stuff about the dynamics or bowling Leg Breaks. It's long... 15 minutes but has some exceptionally well filmed sequences in slow motion and comes across at some points at being a bit technical. It'd be good to hear from some of you as to whether the more technical aspects that are discussed hold true and are sound advice. I don't know who these blokes are, but they've done a very good job with this video and I've given it a thumbs up on you tube. With the knowledge that I've got on the subject and being a layman I'd give it a good score.
YouTube - How to bowl a leg spin
Here's a very well put together and totally free video on how to bowl leg breaks and some technical stuff about the dynamics or bowling Leg Breaks. It's long... 15 minutes but has some exceptionally well filmed sequences in slow motion and comes across at some points at being a bit technical. It'd be good to hear from some of you as to whether the more technical aspects that are discussed hold true and are sound advice. I don't know who these blokes are, but they've done a very good job with this video and I've given it a thumbs up on you tube. With the knowledge that I've got on the subject and being a layman I'd give it a good score.
YouTube - How to bowl a leg spin
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Here's one with some young bloke and Michael Vaughn talking through some very rudimentary points. The bit at the start relating to field placings is useful.
YouTube - Smarter Cricket - Leg Spin
Here's one with some young bloke and Michael Vaughn talking through some very rudimentary points. The bit at the start relating to field placings is useful.
YouTube - Smarter Cricket - Leg Spin
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if Joe Denly is good enough to bowl leg spin at county level then so am i. so are most of the people on this thread. its a good job hes a quality batsman. i cant believe they chose him as the subject of an "instructional" video. hes got 16 wickets, at an average of 46 and a strike rate of 78. he barely even qualifies as a part timer. i definitely wouldnt qualify him as an up and coming young leg spinner, hes 24 and an opening batsman. he gets a handful of overs here and there when the other 7 or 8 bowlers ahead of him in the side arent getting the job done lol.
seriously though, he was bowling slower than i do, with less power, and it didnt even turn on an indoor surface. how many county leg spinners were just batsmen at 15 that got into academies based on their all round cricket skills, then decided to bowl leg spin later? i reckon ALL of the young English ones. you watch them bowl and you can just tell that it was an after thought. in addition to none of them having a clue about the hows or whys, they just have a technique that turns a bit in nets and they stick with it (typically the heavily under-bent wrist and a weak grip).
ive literally seen a 15 year old at my old club with the exact same technique as Denly bowls, at the same pace, except he turned the ball 2-3 feet, EVERY ball indoors. he was a nightmare to face. as soon as he stepped onto grass though he was complete chod because the ball wouldnt turn for him (the narrow fingers and over cocked wrist has a tendancy to do that, you cant rev the ball hard enough). but even so, he was still leading wicket taker at the club because batsmen would get cocky and get caught going for huge 6's lol. his average was about 150, but the captain loved him (or more likely was best mates with his dad) so he always got overs.
if Joe Denly is good enough to bowl leg spin at county level then so am i. so are most of the people on this thread. its a good job hes a quality batsman. i cant believe they chose him as the subject of an "instructional" video. hes got 16 wickets, at an average of 46 and a strike rate of 78. he barely even qualifies as a part timer. i definitely wouldnt qualify him as an up and coming young leg spinner, hes 24 and an opening batsman. he gets a handful of overs here and there when the other 7 or 8 bowlers ahead of him in the side arent getting the job done lol.
seriously though, he was bowling slower than i do, with less power, and it didnt even turn on an indoor surface. how many county leg spinners were just batsmen at 15 that got into academies based on their all round cricket skills, then decided to bowl leg spin later? i reckon ALL of the young English ones. you watch them bowl and you can just tell that it was an after thought. in addition to none of them having a clue about the hows or whys, they just have a technique that turns a bit in nets and they stick with it (typically the heavily under-bent wrist and a weak grip).
ive literally seen a 15 year old at my old club with the exact same technique as Denly bowls, at the same pace, except he turned the ball 2-3 feet, EVERY ball indoors. he was a nightmare to face. as soon as he stepped onto grass though he was complete chod because the ball wouldnt turn for him (the narrow fingers and over cocked wrist has a tendancy to do that, you cant rev the ball hard enough). but even so, he was still leading wicket taker at the club because batsmen would get cocky and get caught going for huge 6's lol. his average was about 150, but the captain loved him (or more likely was best mates with his dad) so he always got overs.
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Absolutly, Joe Denly is by no means a county spinner he is an opening batsman, much like the way im sure Atherton would bowl an over of leg spin every other game for Lancs (i dont know that stats so i might be wrong), and im sure Joe dosnt claim to be a county bowler, im sure he is just passing on what he has been coached for the purpose of the video. He did bowl the last over of a county camps game on sky at the start of the season and Ben Stokes smashed it for about 25! He was getting some turn and im sure he would get a good bowl at club level.
Absolutly, Joe Denly is by no means a county spinner he is an opening batsman, much like the way im sure Atherton would bowl an over of leg spin every other game for Lancs (i dont know that stats so i might be wrong), and im sure Joe dosnt claim to be a county bowler, im sure he is just passing on what he has been coached for the purpose of the video. He did bowl the last over of a county camps game on sky at the start of the season and Ben Stokes smashed it for about 25! He was getting some turn and im sure he would get a good bowl at club level.
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Mike Athertons stats are actually almost identical to Denlys lol, just across a longer career, in which he took 108 wickets. definitely stick to the batting!
Dave - i faced a batsman this year at my club ground who normally plays Southern Premier League cricket. he will be playing top flight next year, so basically very close to county standard. bear in mind that at this point in time i was in my little slump where nothing was working well, although on that day i turned the ball nicely but was still pitching a little short and wide. he faced probably 6 deliveries off me, and hit me for 13 runs iirc. a 4 off a full toss outside leg. a 6 off a rank short ball outside leg. then 3 singles and 1 dot. 2 singles were just tucked off the pad to fine leg because they were slightly short and straight. the other single was just a punch into a gap. and the dot was my only good ball at him.
i had a long chat with him afterwards for some advice, and he was very helpful. basically saying that hes strong off the back foot and strong off his legs, so i bowled to his strength. had i pitched it up a bit more on an off/middle stump line i might have contained him. the ball turned big a couple of times, but he just had too much time to react because it was short.
so getting to the point - bowl on a rock hard county track where bounce comes into the equation, and land the ball solidly in the right areas, and i dont think county batsmen would dispatch you anywhere near as easily as you might think. youve got to remember that county boundaries are usually 20-40 yards bigger than the average club ground as well, so catchers in the deep come into play. id absolutely love to play a game at a high standard of cricket just to see what i could do. id back myself to take wickets. more so than i do in club cricket!! i still maintain that higher standard batsmen with correct technique are easier to get out at club level.
P.S. top county leggies tend to bowl at "international" speeds, so around the 50-55mph mark. average county leggies are in the low to mid 40's. part timers are low 40's, i reckon Denly bowls at under 40mph, my bowling looks as fast, if not faster, than his.
so if im bowling at 37-40mph, which is about where im at now, then im as fast as part time county leg spinners. im targeting 45mph minimum by the start of next year once ive done my strength and conditioning work all winter and done a lot of work on my technique. i think thats perfectly realistic given that im fairly weak at present. by then theres no reason why i shouldnt be playing county cricket il keep dreaming...
Mike Athertons stats are actually almost identical to Denlys lol, just across a longer career, in which he took 108 wickets. definitely stick to the batting!
Dave - i faced a batsman this year at my club ground who normally plays Southern Premier League cricket. he will be playing top flight next year, so basically very close to county standard. bear in mind that at this point in time i was in my little slump where nothing was working well, although on that day i turned the ball nicely but was still pitching a little short and wide. he faced probably 6 deliveries off me, and hit me for 13 runs iirc. a 4 off a full toss outside leg. a 6 off a rank short ball outside leg. then 3 singles and 1 dot. 2 singles were just tucked off the pad to fine leg because they were slightly short and straight. the other single was just a punch into a gap. and the dot was my only good ball at him.
i had a long chat with him afterwards for some advice, and he was very helpful. basically saying that hes strong off the back foot and strong off his legs, so i bowled to his strength. had i pitched it up a bit more on an off/middle stump line i might have contained him. the ball turned big a couple of times, but he just had too much time to react because it was short.
so getting to the point - bowl on a rock hard county track where bounce comes into the equation, and land the ball solidly in the right areas, and i dont think county batsmen would dispatch you anywhere near as easily as you might think. youve got to remember that county boundaries are usually 20-40 yards bigger than the average club ground as well, so catchers in the deep come into play. id absolutely love to play a game at a high standard of cricket just to see what i could do. id back myself to take wickets. more so than i do in club cricket!! i still maintain that higher standard batsmen with correct technique are easier to get out at club level.
P.S. top county leggies tend to bowl at "international" speeds, so around the 50-55mph mark. average county leggies are in the low to mid 40's. part timers are low 40's, i reckon Denly bowls at under 40mph, my bowling looks as fast, if not faster, than his.
so if im bowling at 37-40mph, which is about where im at now, then im as fast as part time county leg spinners. im targeting 45mph minimum by the start of next year once ive done my strength and conditioning work all winter and done a lot of work on my technique. i think thats perfectly realistic given that im fairly weak at present. by then theres no reason why i shouldnt be playing county cricket
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In my opinion is, in truth if you bowl a leg break (it doesnt even have to turn much, just look on tv) on a perfect length (getting the batsman forward without the ball being full enough to drive) at a good pace, then thats a good enough delivery to ANY batsman. I spent some time in the winter playing in New Zealand and our pro was Rob White fwho bats 4/5 for Nothhants. I was bowling to him in the nets twice a week (and to other batsmen form our prems who won the Christchurch premier), and if i bowled a ball on a good line and length like iv said, he would always play it on its merrits (and he is know best for 2020), you dont have to be superman and bowl a gatting ball every ball to a county palyer. The BIG DIFFERENCE is (and iv bowled to Indian pros at my midweek club with mixed results) that any ball that is slightly short, slighty full they will put it away, and im talking sixes. Im not saying im Warne but iv got these sort of players out with good leg breaks and a good length, not gatting balls. I did bowl to Rob on the Dustyest practice wicket ever one night and it was so much fun with the ball turning round corners and beating the bat regulary, gave me a high, but part time spinners where doing the same, and the next week he smashed me out the park on a better track!
One thing i did find was that by the end of the trip i was bowling the ball faster than when i arrived. At the start i would walk in lazily and bowling it slow, and these sorts of players where just using there feet and smashing it to bits. So i did have to change my pace and ended up bowling with abit more energy and bowling it abit quicker and i managed to survive
In my opinion is, in truth if you bowl a leg break (it doesnt even have to turn much, just look on tv) on a perfect length (getting the batsman forward without the ball being full enough to drive) at a good pace, then thats a good enough delivery to ANY batsman. I spent some time in the winter playing in New Zealand and our pro was Rob White fwho bats 4/5 for Nothhants. I was bowling to him in the nets twice a week (and to other batsmen form our prems who won the Christchurch premier), and if i bowled a ball on a good line and length like iv said, he would always play it on its merrits (and he is know best for 2020), you dont have to be superman and bowl a gatting ball every ball to a county palyer. The BIG DIFFERENCE is (and iv bowled to Indian pros at my midweek club with mixed results) that any ball that is slightly short, slighty full they will put it away, and im talking sixes. Im not saying im Warne but iv got these sort of players out with good leg breaks and a good length, not gatting balls. I did bowl to Rob on the Dustyest practice wicket ever one night and it was so much fun with the ball turning round corners and beating the bat regulary, gave me a high, but part time spinners where doing the same, and the next week he smashed me out the park on a better track!
One thing i did find was that by the end of the trip i was bowling the ball faster than when i arrived. At the start i would walk in lazily and bowling it slow, and these sorts of players where just using there feet and smashing it to bits. So i did have to change my pace and ended up bowling with abit more energy and bowling it abit quicker and i managed to survive
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even Shane Warne just used to plug away. memory is a little convenient in that you only remember the exciting stuff. you discard the hundreds of balls in between the wickets that were pretty ordinary. as you say, good line and length is good line and length, any batsman will struggle against it. the difference between club leggies and pros is that extra pace, and the reduced thinking time. a pro batsman will easily manoeuvre around a slower bowler, regardless of how good the line or length is, just because they are accustomed to much faster. its good to hear that backed up by someone with first hand experience!
at county level though you often only have 1, maybe 2, international standard batsmen in a side. sometimes none at all. so 45mph is a very good speed if backed up by consistency, accuracy, and most importantly spin. it would be enough to take care of the majority of batsmen. although intelligence would come into play a lot more. the other massive plus would be a high quality wicket keeper and fielders!! the number of wickets i miss out on from poor fielding, its probably more wickets than ive actually taken this year!! certainly for my current club i have been dropped or had stumpings missed for more than quadruple the number of actual wickets ive taken!!
sometimes i look at county vs club cricket and see this massive gulf in quality between the 2. certainly with batsmen there really is, mainly because pace bowling is 20-30mph faster!! i was discussing this with a friend who i play cricket with who is a fast bowler. he bowls very fast, with loads of energy, but its only 65mph, maybe 70mph on a good day at a push. county pace bowlers start at about 75mph, so hes not that far off, but its significant. but because everyone and their dog bowls pace, there are probably thousands of other players across the country that can make the same claim. hes got a decent chance of making it to county level though, or at least ECB premier league standard, if he can find that extra 10% in his all round game, which he might do, but might not, hes probably only got this winter to go for it because hes only a year younger than me. and competition will be stiff.
with leg spin though i dont think the gulf exists so much. i reckon someone like Will Beer could come and play in the same league cricket games that i do, and he wouldnt be much more effective. there are still batsmen that would dispatch him to all corners. and there will be bunnies that will just freeze at the sight of leg spin. but i dont think there would be any dominance, and 5-fers would still be very hard to come by. it wouldnt be like watching Shane Warne play club cricket, where he could probably skittle a side single handedly for single figure runs off of 3 or 4 overs.
this is why i think most county leggies come from the academies as batsmen/all round solid young cricketers, rather than being recruited in as specialists. when youre bowling on sloppy club wickets with sloppy club fielders against chancer batsmen, its always going to be incredibly hard to look good! its incredibly easy to look good bowling in world class academy nets, or on a rock hard county track with the best fielders in your age group surrounding the bat. especially since leg spinners are given the wide berth at youth level on consistency, its expected that youll be erratic, but so long as you get wickets the bad balls are allowed for. at club level this works against you, at pro level as a youngster i reckon it works heavily in your favour.
even Shane Warne just used to plug away. memory is a little convenient in that you only remember the exciting stuff. you discard the hundreds of balls in between the wickets that were pretty ordinary. as you say, good line and length is good line and length, any batsman will struggle against it. the difference between club leggies and pros is that extra pace, and the reduced thinking time. a pro batsman will easily manoeuvre around a slower bowler, regardless of how good the line or length is, just because they are accustomed to much faster. its good to hear that backed up by someone with first hand experience!
at county level though you often only have 1, maybe 2, international standard batsmen in a side. sometimes none at all. so 45mph is a very good speed if backed up by consistency, accuracy, and most importantly spin. it would be enough to take care of the majority of batsmen. although intelligence would come into play a lot more. the other massive plus would be a high quality wicket keeper and fielders!! the number of wickets i miss out on from poor fielding, its probably more wickets than ive actually taken this year!! certainly for my current club i have been dropped or had stumpings missed for more than quadruple the number of actual wickets ive taken!!
sometimes i look at county vs club cricket and see this massive gulf in quality between the 2. certainly with batsmen there really is, mainly because pace bowling is 20-30mph faster!! i was discussing this with a friend who i play cricket with who is a fast bowler. he bowls very fast, with loads of energy, but its only 65mph, maybe 70mph on a good day at a push. county pace bowlers start at about 75mph, so hes not that far off, but its significant. but because everyone and their dog bowls pace, there are probably thousands of other players across the country that can make the same claim. hes got a decent chance of making it to county level though, or at least ECB premier league standard, if he can find that extra 10% in his all round game, which he might do, but might not, hes probably only got this winter to go for it because hes only a year younger than me. and competition will be stiff.
with leg spin though i dont think the gulf exists so much. i reckon someone like Will Beer could come and play in the same league cricket games that i do, and he wouldnt be much more effective. there are still batsmen that would dispatch him to all corners. and there will be bunnies that will just freeze at the sight of leg spin. but i dont think there would be any dominance, and 5-fers would still be very hard to come by. it wouldnt be like watching Shane Warne play club cricket, where he could probably skittle a side single handedly for single figure runs off of 3 or 4 overs.
this is why i think most county leggies come from the academies as batsmen/all round solid young cricketers, rather than being recruited in as specialists. when youre bowling on sloppy club wickets with sloppy club fielders against chancer batsmen, its always going to be incredibly hard to look good! its incredibly easy to look good bowling in world class academy nets, or on a rock hard county track with the best fielders in your age group surrounding the bat. especially since leg spinners are given the wide berth at youth level on consistency, its expected that youll be erratic, but so long as you get wickets the bad balls are allowed for. at club level this works against you, at pro level as a youngster i reckon it works heavily in your favour.
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Bob Woolmer's giant manual has an interesting section about reaction times, saying that the batsman is essentially a passenger for the last 0.2 seconds before the ball reaches him - beyond that point he hasn't the time to materially react. He's probably got an extra 0.1 seconds to panic but he can't see something AND move in time. Therefore it follows that a good length for a spinner is between the furthest point a batsman can reach on the half-volley and that point where the ball pitches less than 0.2 seconds before reaching him. If you bowl faster that section of time amounts to a longer distance, so a faster bowler has a bigger area that one can define as a good length. Does that sound right?*
(*I keep putting "does that sound right?" at the end of my posts as without it I sound like I think I know it all. Hope everyone understands I'm just thinking aloud most of the time)
Jim2109;408283 said:
Bob Woolmer's giant manual has an interesting section about reaction times, saying that the batsman is essentially a passenger for the last 0.2 seconds before the ball reaches him - beyond that point he hasn't the time to materially react. He's probably got an extra 0.1 seconds to panic but he can't see something AND move in time. Therefore it follows that a good length for a spinner is between the furthest point a batsman can reach on the half-volley and that point where the ball pitches less than 0.2 seconds before reaching him. If you bowl faster that section of time amounts to a longer distance, so a faster bowler has a bigger area that one can define as a good length. Does that sound right?*
(*I keep putting "does that sound right?" at the end of my posts as without it I sound like I think I know it all. Hope everyone understands I'm just thinking aloud most of the time)
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id not heard that before, but its a very interesting point. at the speed i bowl this would give me a length between 1-3.5 yards from the bat. which is about right. my "optimum" length is 2-3 yards from the bat. thats approximating my match speed to about 35mph.
at 45mph that margin on length would be more like 1-4.5 yards, so you buy yourself an extra yard to create the same result.
however there is a flaw in the theory. good batsmen read length early. even poor batsmen read length in time to move. if its short then theyll play back, and that buys them an extra yard. so youve still got to invite the batsman to drive.
i think this is why drift and dip are so critical, because neither occur in time for a batsman to react. good drift happens very late in the day, easily within the last 2 yards of flight, so if youre pitching on a driving length then the batsman has absolutely no time to correct his shot for drift, let alone turn. hence the Gatting ball!!
P.S. dont worry about sounding arrogant. if i worried about that id never reply lol. some of what i say could easily be construed that way, but the combination of every ones ideas comes up with some absolute gems of advice/method sometimes!! its only arrogance/knowing it all IMO if youre not willing to consider other peoples ideas
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id not heard that before, but its a very interesting point. at the speed i bowl this would give me a length between 1-3.5 yards from the bat. which is about right. my "optimum" length is 2-3 yards from the bat. thats approximating my match speed to about 35mph.
at 45mph that margin on length would be more like 1-4.5 yards, so you buy yourself an extra yard to create the same result.
however there is a flaw in the theory. good batsmen read length early. even poor batsmen read length in time to move. if its short then theyll play back, and that buys them an extra yard. so youve still got to invite the batsman to drive.
i think this is why drift and dip are so critical, because neither occur in time for a batsman to react. good drift happens very late in the day, easily within the last 2 yards of flight, so if youre pitching on a driving length then the batsman has absolutely no time to correct his shot for drift, let alone turn. hence the Gatting ball!!
P.S. dont worry about sounding arrogant. if i worried about that id never reply lol. some of what i say could easily be construed that way, but the combination of every ones ideas comes up with some absolute gems of advice/method sometimes!! its only arrogance/knowing it all IMO if youre not willing to consider other peoples ideas
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Very refreshing this interview with mcgain
Bryce McGain: 'There's nothing better than being a legspinner' | Specials | Cricinfo Magazine | Cricinfo.com
I'm guessing all of us can empathize with him.
Very refreshing this interview with mcgain
Bryce McGain: 'There's nothing better than being a legspinner' | Specials | Cricinfo Magazine | Cricinfo.com
I'm guessing all of us can empathize with him.
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Bryce McGain should be a hero for club leg spinners everywhere!
He didn't make his first class debut until he was about 30. He then had to fight Shane Warne and Cameron White for the number 1 leg spin spot in the side, which he didnt hold down regularly until he was 34 or 35, and up to this time he was working full time in a bank. And then at 36 he got handed his Test debut!!
I'm 25. There is still hope.
And aside from that, just everything the guy says in that interview is spot on. Hes a genuine leg spinner, seemingly a very intelligent one, who completely understands his craft. To get dropped after one test is a little ridiculous, as Shane Warne said, his debut wasn't much better and look what he achieved (I'm sure age worked against McGain, if he had been 22 they'd have given him another go).
Thats one of my favourite leg spin articles ever. Theres nothing technical in it, but its just very encouraging.
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Bryce McGain should be a hero for club leg spinners everywhere!
He didn't make his first class debut until he was about 30. He then had to fight Shane Warne and Cameron White for the number 1 leg spin spot in the side, which he didnt hold down regularly until he was 34 or 35, and up to this time he was working full time in a bank. And then at 36 he got handed his Test debut!!
I'm 25. There is still hope.
And aside from that, just everything the guy says in that interview is spot on. Hes a genuine leg spinner, seemingly a very intelligent one, who completely understands his craft. To get dropped after one test is a little ridiculous, as Shane Warne said, his debut wasn't much better and look what he achieved (I'm sure age worked against McGain, if he had been 22 they'd have given him another go).
Thats one of my favourite leg spin articles ever. Theres nothing technical in it, but its just very encouraging.
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New clip from me. I was intending that I'd use this as another drill suggestion, if you look closely there's a series of white flags either side of where I run/walk in. The idea being that this directs all your body and movement straight down the wicket and avoids that coming in from the side that a lot of people do. I kid of rejected it as I don't like the little skip that I do as I come into my rotation. Having seen it though it kind of reminded me of Daniel Vettori's bowling action YouTube - Daniel Vettori bowling highlight but not as compact and rapid. Have a look at it and see what you reckon - what I have noticed is how little my head and eyes move once I get to a certain point in the delivery. My rotation has come under control since last year which is potentially an improvement. Unlike the rest of you it seems I've got a very vertical arm, nothing like Grimmets and maybe this is instrumental in being able to bowl the Wrong Un quite well and maybe works against me with regards getting the Leg Breaks to turn more despite the fact that I might ocassionally get the ball to spin quite well. Other positives - I'll let you be the judges......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJ3PK4uKTQ
New clip from me. I was intending that I'd use this as another drill suggestion, if you look closely there's a series of white flags either side of where I run/walk in. The idea being that this directs all your body and movement straight down the wicket and avoids that coming in from the side that a lot of people do. I kid of rejected it as I don't like the little skip that I do as I come into my rotation. Having seen it though it kind of reminded me of Daniel Vettori's bowling action YouTube - Daniel Vettori bowling highlight but not as compact and rapid. Have a look at it and see what you reckon - what I have noticed is how little my head and eyes move once I get to a certain point in the delivery. My rotation has come under control since last year which is potentially an improvement. Unlike the rest of you it seems I've got a very vertical arm, nothing like Grimmets and maybe this is instrumental in being able to bowl the Wrong Un quite well and maybe works against me with regards getting the Leg Breaks to turn more despite the fact that I might ocassionally get the ball to spin quite well. Other positives - I'll let you be the judges......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJ3PK4uKTQ