Wrist Spin Bowling (part Five)

Discussion in 'Spin Bowling' started by Richard the Third, Feb 19, 2011.

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  1. Cleanprophet

    Cleanprophet Active Member

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    Most pitches in Asia are fairly low bouncing, so the batters there play the sweep shot a lot. The most obvious way to try and exploit that is to bowl with a lot more overspin on the ball and look to generate the bounce yourself.
     
  2. Thivagar

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    How should a Leggie bowl to good sweepers, those that smother the ball and batsmen that use the depth of the crease very well like Root, Kohli, Younis Khan and etc ?
     
  3. boogiespinner

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    Sweeping nullifies the effect of turn, but the payoff is that the batsman has to judge the bounce very accurately, so I would guess the killer deliveries are topspinners (to get the top edge) and flippers / sliders for the lbw
     
  4. Thivagar

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    But what if the batsman is very good at using the depth of crease and doesn't premeditate? I can't bowl 3 Topspin/Topspin-Legbreak and 3 sliders per over ?
     
  5. SLA

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    If a batsman is playing you off the back foot, either pitch it up further, or put a little extra mustard on it and clean him up off the pitch.
     
  6. boogiespinner

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    bowl 5 topspin and one slider.

    Revert to legspin when the straight bat appears.
     
  7. boogiespinner

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    Of course if your batsman is great at using his feet, likes playing back, is proficient and keen to sweep (not premeditated)... well maybe that's a good time for the quicks to have a go
     
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  8. SLA

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    My thought was that if Thivagar is bowling against batsmen who can play front foot, back foot, sweep, all proficiently and have no apparent weaknesses against spin.... which tv channel is showing this test match?

    Most amateur batsmen have one or two good shots against a spinner, and if you can cut those options off, they struggle.
     
  9. Thivagar

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    There is defense and then there is this. I'm want to improve, not run away.
     
  10. AngryRanga

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    Anyone have any thoughts on strategies for setting up batsmen for a quicker ball?

    Currently I just chuck it in whenever I feel like it, without any rhyme or rhythm.
     
  11. SLA

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    If the batsman is struggling to get to you on the front foot (ie you have just spun a couple of balls past the edge) he is liable to try playing you off the backfoot instead.

    If you sense that this is about to happen, this is the perfect moment to pounce - run up the same as normal but push it through much quicker - the ball will skid straight into middle stump before he gets his bat down.

    Sometimes he will even practice the shot between balls, which is a real giveaway! Although be careful, when I am batting I deliberately practice shots I have no intention of playing, to try and get the bowler to bowl the ball I want him to bowl.
     
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  12. AngryRanga

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    Circa one month ago, when I wasn't bowling like a hack, my bowling off a standing start was extremely poor. I wouldn't get enough power behind the ball, but my full run up provided the energy and follow through required to put the ball in a good area.

    Now situation has reversed. I'm bowling extremely well off a standing start, getting loop and putting the ball in good areas. However, when I come off my full run, which hasn't been altered consciously, my bowling action feels foreign and the ball is more likely to hit my foot than a good length.

    This is obviously problematic because in a game I bowl from my run up, and my good bowling from the runup is still better than my good bowling from a standing start, just because there is more energy and momentum to work with.

    Has anyone got any idea what this could be caused by, or any remedial practice I could do to repair the problem?
     
  13. Billywhizz

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    I found myself in a similar predicament,swapping between a run up of 10 steps to a 5.
    Some weeks the longer one was better, other times it stunk and vice versa.
    I was at my wits end - so I made a measurable plan.
    I have use of an indoor net, I marked out a target area, bowled 10 overs with maximum focus, and counted the number of good balls out of 60
    2 days later at the same time doing an identical warm up I bowled another 10 overs with the alternate run up.
    The longer run up was way better. This data made the choice for me.

    Hope his helps
     
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  14. SLA

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    I'm curious to know why if you were bowling ok off a full run, you continued to practice off a standing start?

    Standing starts are used by coaches to teach young bowlers (typically age 9-10) who are learning to bowl for the first time and have not yet learnt the basic movements of the bowling action, but they are of limited use beyond that - in fact there is evidence to suggest that the different rhythm they impose on your bowling action can cause you to lose your full bowling action - which is what sounds like it has happened.

    Standing start should NEVER be used over a full 22 yards, as this puts far too much pressure on your bowling shoulder. At most, you should be using it to practice the release of the ball out of you fingers over max 15 yards.

    I would recommend you immediately drop the standing start bowling, and focus on bowling from the same consistent, rhythmical run-up that you intend to use in games.
     
  15. Cleanprophet

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    Really, the ideal scenario is having only one approach to the crease. Having the option of a shorter run up or a stand start can create more of a problem with the longer run up.

    If the longer run up has worked well in the past, then it should really be a case of working out why it is not working as well now rather than switching to a shorter run up or stand start.

    I used a short run up (about 3 large strides) for a long time. I tried a longer run up and that worked sometimes and other times not so much. In the end, I switched back to the short run, but I now focus on really pushing through the crease and at that target. So, the same short run up but much, much more energy and fizz on the ball.

    The key thing is to remember that the run up is fundamentally about getting you to the crease with rhythm and balance rather than providing energy. The rotation and the energy in that rotation (what Warne would call the "explosion") is where most of the energy in the ball comes from.
     
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  16. AngryRanga

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    I normally bowl an over off a standing start to warm up before I come off my full run, when I'm practicising.

    Thanks for the advice.
     
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  17. SLA

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    Bear in mind that it is harder to bowl from a standing start than a full run up, because you are having to simultaneously suddenly generate energy in both your legs and your arms, whereas when you are bowling with a run up, the kinetic energy in your legs is already there, and you just need to add your upper body action.

    So if you use it as a warmup, I would do it quite gently over 15 yards, rather than 22, otherwise you will find that when you switch to the full run up, exerting the same energy with your upper body will result in the ball going 6 foot over the batsman's head.

    The rhythm is also different between standing start and run up: and if your rhythm gets out of sync, your release point will get out of sync, and you will end up endangering either nearby planes or your own toes.
     
  18. SLA

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    Yeah - I've used the exact same 6 step run-up with a hop in the middle since I was 13 years old. I can stand at the top of my mark, close my eyes, run up and bowl, and the ball will land roughly in the right spot purely from 20 years of muscle memory.

    The golden rule of bowling is that the more you mess around with the basics, the less consistent you will be. Consistency is an achievable objective, perfection is not.
     
  19. Isaac Currie

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    what is the best approach to hitting big off spin bowlers ??
     
  20. SLA

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    Rock back and pull anything short, slog sweep off a length, and get down the track and drive through and underneath anything full. Look to hit the middle of the bat with power, and hit upwards on about a 30 degree trajectory and carry the ball ~ 10 yards over the boundary.
     
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