Off Spinning Guide - Page 2

MrOffBreaks · 21 Nov 2008, 18:23

ur theory is much like Murali's version of the doosra except more use of the thumb its interesting because murali goes for turn rather the the skid which is interesting.

but the back of my hand faces me when i bowl my doosra same flicking rotation with my second finger. But i do have a sort of Underspinner/flipper.

the flipper type is like my doosra but back of my hand is facing mid off and i flick it like my doosra except with more thumb so its like a flipper click, it rotates cross seam towards mid off. It has a slight leg to off turn but the power of it is the skid, low bounce and speed it generates.

My underspinner i hold the ball with normal off spin grip and as im bowling instead of rolling my index finger over the seam like a normal off break i roll it across the seam so its rotating towards mid on kind of like the flipper type delivery but it goes the other way. Same thing it skids and gets a bit of turn and low bounce. But with the underspinner it moves a lot faster because i can i bowl it faster.

i hope this helps? cuz thats my skidding/flipper type deliveries

akkers · 7 Jul 2009, 14:55

I have a youngster in my team who bowls off-spin and can turn the ball a 'mile'. During matches he pitches the ball well wide of off-stump, so much that the batsman usually start think its a well wide, but then ball turns back in. Great stuff you might say.

However, after a one or two balls, the batsman just figures him out and start cutting him all the time. I am not sure what he is doing wrong. Is it his length or flight that is wrong? How can he use that big turn effectively?

someblokecalleddave · 7 Jul 2009, 15:22

I bowl leg breaks primarily and a whole bunch of other variations to mix things up and try and catch the b******s out. But for the last 2 years I've had the Googly Syndrome and have only been able to bowl Wrong Uns and I had the exact same experience. Turning the ball into the batsman on a regular basis is ineffective, even my 9 year old son got the hang of it and would simply watch the ball come in - step back and deal with it easily.

I think the key with your bloke would be if he learnt the 'Arm Ball' which as far as I know is the Offies version of or Top-Spinner. With his big turning Off-break he needs to be able to bowl that at different speeds, lengths, and different amounts of turn, once that's sussed he then needs his 'Arm ball' to go straight every now and then when the bat is expecting the ball to turn into him. He should then have some success.

That's what I reckon but I'm a wrist spinner so what do I know? Where are all the Offies?

MrOffBreaks · 7 Jul 2009, 21:18

Although being able to generate a large amount of turn is fantastic (i know because i spin the ball a lot as well)...

Variation is key in any spinners arsenal, i used to have the same problem but being able to turn it a whole load isnt useful unless used in small doses as the batsmen become accustomed to it or will change their batting position to accommodate (many batsmen i've bowled against set up at leg stump).

Varying Pace, Spin and Flight is the key.

For Example:
1st ball: he could bowl a ripping off break like he usually does
2nd ball: Slightly slower with less spin
3rd ball: Toss it up, maybe bowl a toppy
4th ball: fire it in! quick pace, flat spin isn't an issue just fire it at the stumps
5th ball: Bowl another ripping off break but maybe toss it up a little more
6th ball: (Whatever you like ;D)

basically what i'm saying is while he is still young, he should begin to learn to variate throughout his overs so he doesn't become easy to play after the first few overs.

one of my change up overs consists of:

1st Ball: Arm ball (nearly gets em every time hah)
2nd Ball: Big turning off break at a nice pace
3rd Ball: Short flighted Toppy (my stumping ball it works very well, appears to be a full toss, dips catches them out short and goodbye bails)
4th Ball: Underspinner fired at the stumps
5th Ball: Quick Off Break
6th Ball: finish with a ripper.

What Dave suggested (that he learn the arm ball) could be useful, but for a youngster learning the arm ball can be.... you could say difficult. The Arm Ball basically outswings in flight and carries onto the keeper, it's not an easy delivery to master and it depends on conditioning of the ball and the weather.

So i suggest he vary pace, spin and flight

- Mr Off Breaks

PS: If he wants to learn the arm ball and is that gifted hah read my guide or message me for a more thorough explanation

**breeno** · 8 Jul 2009, 00:39

Mr.Off Breaks, IMO that's too many variations in one over.

I, personally, would back myself to bowl 4 or 5 off breaks an over, maybe varying speed/flight a little bit.

Then I would throw in a toppy or Doosra once every 6 or 8 balls, lure them into a false sense of security is my motto.

someblokecalleddave · 8 Jul 2009, 05:25

Ah see - I know nothing of Arm Balls I thought it was just a straight ball with top-spin, but it sounds like it has some swing. But it looks like the right kind of advice is coming in from the people that know. Where's Mousey I thought he was trying to get some serious discussion going in a Off-spinners thread - here's your chance to get something going Mousey?

**breeno** · 8 Jul 2009, 07:46

Mousey's on holiday on the Gold Coast (Mid Queensland) for a week or two.

MrOffBreaks · 8 Jul 2009, 10:14

Nah Breeno that's just my change up over (well one of them)

My normal overs consist of just off breaks varied in flight, length, pace and spin.. with maybe a toppy change at most