North A & B

[ROY G BIV]

Originally Posted by NorthClubsDontPayPlayers

What are people's thoughts on S Brne leaving St Albans mid season to join Willy CY in Senior A?

What kind of person is he? How much will this hurt St Albans?

Folks on this sforum spent some time discussing the going ons at St Albans concerning S Byrne. And i don't recall anyone had a nice word to say about him. One comment which was repeated by many was: Every club he went to hd had issues with other palyers from keilor, albion a ckub where he won a flag last year along with his brother and i think he's dad is president of albion, anyhow not many had anyhting good to say about him.

Personally palying against him i never picked up on that. He behaved no different to any other 1X1 senior palyer would i guess i don't know the bloke that well, if comments about him on this forum are anyhting to go by.

[ROY G BIV]

Originally Posted by hussler

I agree with most of what u say,but,its not just about the 1sts??
I know your ideas would help the lower grades a bit, but blow ins who take the $$$$$$$+ take off after a couple of years is not what a local club needs.............There are lots of examples of this when SCA+FCA folded and a couple of clubs from WDCA all went to the VTCA,most of them are now struggling big time...CYMS the exception,even they havent had juniors for a few years now+their time might come too???

Most of those teams would not even get anywhere near a senior divvy flag ever, cos the funds just arent there!!! Unfortunatley I dont think there is a solution to this...........

Agree with u there mate.
Clubs who rely on cash to win 1X1 games are only kidding themselves, especially if they are not swimming in $$$'s. If you have funds then good luck to u, after all we live in a capitalist society

Spending some poor benefectors had end dough on glorified park cricketers may eran to some success in short term but if u don't look after other grades, 2nds , 3rd etc and especially juniors then u are only writing your own death warrant in the future.

A true club is one which caters the needs of all its menebers juniors, 5ths, 2nds or whatever, if folks are only intersted in 1x1 then why bother having oter grades or club at all simply call urself suburbname1X1.

I have seen a few clubs who no longer exist or struggling to survive who once bought their way to 1X1 success in past to the detrement of other grades ignoring what went on in juniors and other senior grades.

[IntoThe Wind]

Well what happened at St Albans is no real surprise. It is common knowledge that Brne is a mercenary, and I think he is pretty up front about it. Good cricketer with proven record who is probably worth paying for performance. But just dont expect a loyalty discount when negotiations start for the next season!!

Will it affect St Albans? Well I have spoken to a few guys down there and no one was happy with him. Timmy Mac already left because of him and if Brne had stayed, others may have walked. They are a very young team and Brne's coaching is often about riding guys hard rather than a teaching environment so the kids were not getting much encouragement. Certainly there is a lot less tension around the place which can only make for a better team performance. However, he is/was their best player so you would think making a finals push may now be beyond them.

[Guru14]

Originally Posted by Dingo_Jones

I agree. How can an intelligent logically thinking executive member/members come to a satisfactory conclusion as to the make up of either comp until they are in full possession of the facts. The facts wont be known until around june or july 2009. E.G. Which clubs want in, which clubs want out.

Personally, I don't see why the Nth."A" comp should be reduced in number simply to add to the numbers in Nth."B". This would mean some clubs in Nth "A". being relegated undeservedly through no fault of there own.

Obviously a 12 team comp is ideal as each team plays each other once. I think a balanced comp is everyones preference. As far as Nth"B" is concerned a 10 or 8 team comp is unbalanced and I know undesirable by most. Where as a 6 team comp, everyone gets to play each other twice. Take a look at the Nth D1 one day sunday comp. They get to play each other four times.

By reducing the number of teams from Nth"A" to 10 simply to bring Nth "B" up to 10 achieves only one thing. Instead of 8 clubs playing in an unbalanced comp, we will have 20. How ordinary will that be. If it were my club in Nth"A" I would be giving an emphatic no.

Happy new year DJ, one of the few times I have to disagree with you! Lets look at the teams who are in the relegation zone if it is 4 teams. Albion, FU,Abers, EK, Seddon and Parkville. Of those sides 4 of them were in the bottom 5 last year and EK did very little if nothing in Senior A1. I don't know what the big deal is with playing every one just once, for many years a 10 team comp has worked well with each side playing every other side in 2 day games and then playing 2 one day games to make up the 11 rounds. Lets look at the 2 teams to progress from B1 Tullamarine and Greenvale who are performimg well in A1. This is a direct result of a competitive B1 comp which at the moment is a disaster given there are 8 sides, one being a clubs third eleven and we have all spoken about Seabrook. The side or sides that progress this year to A1 will find the diffrence a bigger step because the once competitive B1 comp ahs nearly disappeared.

It was a division which was played with the passion of 10 sides trying to progress and play better cricket but their grounding and competitive edge was much more tested than it is now. The sides in the relegation zone may benefit from going down a grade as they have been less than competitive over the last 2 years with the exception of Albion. let's not kid ourselves a 10 team comp is very competitive and would be the case in A1. South A1 play a 10 side comp which doesn't seem to effect the quality of the cricket being played. It may bring some life back into each grade and I guarantee B1 would become a better standard with 10 sides.............. Your thoughts

[hussler]

Originally Posted by roy g biv

agree with u there mate.
Clubs who rely on cash to win 1x1 games are only kidding themselves, especially if they are not swimming in $$$'s. If you have funds then good luck to u, after all we live in a capitalist society

spending some poor benefectors had end dough on glorified park cricketers may eran to some success in short term but if u don't look after other grades, 2nds , 3rd etc and especially juniors then u are only writing your own death warrant in the future.

A true club is one which caters the needs of all its menebers juniors, 5ths, 2nds or whatever, if folks are only intersted in 1x1 then why bother having oter grades or club at all simply call urself suburbname1x1.

I have seen a few clubs who no longer exist or struggling to survive who once bought their way to 1x1 success in past to the detrement of other grades ignoring what went on in juniors and other senior grades.

"spot on"

[Carpos]

What a load of shit......Brne was just trying to put the club in a good position, i think the club is at fault having dadys boys crying out because they miss out not bowling not batting.. If i can recall this happened a few years ago when Rick Hudson was captain, after 4 rounds got the chop...st albans doing what there good at sacking the good apple..HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Son of a Gun]

Originally Posted by Carpos

What a load of shit......Brne was just trying to put the club in a good position, i think the club is at fault having dadys boys crying out because they miss out not bowling not batting.. If i can recall this happened a few years ago when Rick Hudson was captain, after 4 rounds got the chop...st albans doing what there good at sacking the good apple..HAHAHAHAHAHAH

St Albans didn't have any complaints when their international Sammy Patel was bowling 35-40 overs a day. He was voted best player in the comp but they still didn't make finals. What does this club want???

[2time]

Originally Posted by IntoThe Wind

Well what happened at St Albans is no real surprise. It is common knowledge that Brne is a mercenary, and I think he is pretty up front about it. Good cricketer with proven record who is probably worth paying for performance. But just dont expect a loyalty discount when negotiations start for the next season!!

Will it affect St Albans? Well I have spoken to a few guys down there and no one was happy with him. Timmy Mac already left because of him and if Brne had stayed, others may have walked. They are a very young team and Brne's coaching is often about riding guys hard rather than a teaching environment so the kids were not getting much encouragement. Certainly there is a lot less tension around the place which can only make for a better team performance. However, he is/was their best player so you would think making a finals push may now be beyond them.

I've heard alot about SBrne supposedly doing this & doing that to the players @ St Albans, i'm sure he has a side of the story as well. Can anyone honestly say that they would not want him playing for their respective club?

[NorthClubsDontPayPlayers]

Originally Posted by Carpos

What a load of shit......Brne was just trying to put the club in a good position, i think the club is at fault having dadys boys crying out because they miss out not bowling not batting.. If i can recall this happened a few years ago when Rick Hudson was captain, after 4 rounds got the chop...st albans doing what there good at sacking the good apple..HAHAHAHAHAHAH

So in other words Brne is a generous man trying to put 5 clubs over the last 7 years in 'a good position'. He sounds like a saint.

[2time]

Originally Posted by NorthClubsDontPayPlayers

So in other words Brne is a generous man trying to put 5 clubs over the last 7 years in 'a good position'. He sounds like a saint.

Does your club only appoint Coaches from within...