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[Cpt Caveman]

Originally Posted by wal05

You'd like to officially write west off will u?!
Our batting is inconsistent, but, we will sort it out.
We have the best bowling in the comp by miles. I havent seen an attack that is even close to ours yet. Ask the St Marys boys what they think of Adams and Appleyard.
West will def be there in March and a huge chance to win the whole thing

yep the redbacks are no chance!! Batting is not good enough. Guys like Roberts will never be consistent run scorers, Pas is over rated, Whiteside thinks he is better than he is. Law hasnt got any shots. I rate greenwood, he can hold them together at times. portelli is too portly. nader thinks he is never out and is slow in the field. milky is hit or miss and will never stick around. Cal is a decent bowler but never really troubles me. Barker would help out but i hear he aint commin back.

all in all not good enough this season. sorry Jonty, maybe in a few years time!!

oh and there is no tars to carry all u guys that hurts. poor guy must have left due to a sore back and shoulders!!

Wal05 and Griffo...sounds like you both know the west coburg boys well in particular Nader (slow and a terrible personality) and Portelli. Relax a little on Pas he's only 16 and Law's 18....sounds like your clubs are oozing with gun youngsters.

[wal05]

Originally Posted by Cpt Caveman

Wal05 and Griffo...sounds like you both know the west coburg boys well in particular Nader (slow and a terrible personality) and Portelli. Relax a little on Pas he's only 16 and Law's 18....sounds like your clubs are oozing with gun youngsters.

i have had the opportunity to come up against Nader and Portelli on several occasions. Nader has never done a thing. portelli on the other hand made 30 or 40 once. overall he probably averages 13 against us when i have been playing. he is never out either which always allows me to have a chuckle to myself when he is given. Pas is young and may develop in the future but i don't think he has enough going for him at this stage. maybe they should play him in a lower grade so he is more comfortable and able to develop because he doesn't seem like he has what it takes for A grade yet. i think the young man needs to work on his attitude a little too. a little bit cocky for a kid with oh so much to learn. Law at 18 needs to start developing some shots or at least needs to learn to tick over the strike a little. from all i have seen he is too defensive and when your defence is not very good and your too defensive it means u never make many runs. i do encourage these young men though to continue and persist with it as long as they are having fun cos thats what this is all about isn't it???? well in west coburgs case winning a flag would be ok occasionally too. As for my club we have a good mix of aged veterans with a few handy youngsters. i wouldn't say we are oozing with them though and i would never put pressure on them by saying any of them are guns. i am happy with them to this point in the season though.

[old hack]

Originally Posted by bomber27

This one I can't agree with you more. This By-Law was put at last years AGM by a club with juniors (which surprised me) and unfortunately my club put up a lonely fight to have this rule knocked back. It got passed easily, mainly on the basis that because other comps have it, then so should we.
I have always believed that this should be used as a guidance only and not be part of our by-laws.
Most decent bowlers (fast or slow) in the Under 16's will bowl there 12 overs in the morning, which leaves them only 4 for the afternoom. Who in there right is going to pick a bowler in there top couple of grades if they can only bowl 4 overs.
I think captains of your teams should have enough sense on how much is to much and be entrusted with the responsibility of looking after our younger players. I know our club does.
If this rule was in place 5 years ago , then players like Pittsy, Costello, Pipe, Trent Gleisner and probaly many more wouldn't have had the chance to play in a high grade while they were playing 16's. It definately would have effected their development as players.

Only solution Dave, is to put up at the next AGM that this rule is removed and hope some common sense prevails. Until then there is nothing we can do.

Thanks for the support mate, I think the rule is to protect fast bowlers from back injuries not for spinners. Do I ask him not to bowl in the juniors and save him for seniors. Not far to him.

The thing about common sense is that it is not that common.

WE rang cricket victoria and they told us that it was all ok and the restrictions do not apply, then we were told that our comp by-laws over rule the cricket victoria. Can you help with this?

We will write an official letter to our comp and also cricket Victoria and also Cricket Australia and Media to draw attention to this sill by-law.

If I wait until the end of the year it will waste a year of his development and that is not far to him.

If there is any other suggestions by you and or anyone else please let me know your thoughts. I hope he can play with us for a year or 2 tops and then go to a higher level.

[My Captain, My Captain.]

Originally Posted by old hack

Seems like it is a talking point every week mate. Let me worry about that.

Lets hope we can fix up the By Law that stops a young kid from bowling in the seniors. Lets get this fixed and not worry about some ones hat.

What does everyone think of this. Are we supposed to help young kids develop?

A young talented spinner cannot play seniors because of this ruling.

C17 RESTRICTIONS FOR UNDER-AGE BOWLERS

C17(1) Players who are aged 16 years or younger must not bowl more than 6 (six) overs in a spell and no more than 16 overs in a day. The daily limit includes all overs bowled in both Junior and Senior matches that day.
C17(2) The bowler must not bowl for at least twice as many overs as they bowled in the previous spell before starting another.

C17(3) An interruption in play does NOT constitute the beginning of a new spell. However, an over started on a new day shall be considered the first over of a new spell.

C17(4) A captain will mark the relevant player as “U17” on the teamsheet.

C17(5) A bowler who breaches the limit will not be permitted to bowl for the rest of the match.

This was meant to protect fast young bowlers from injury not spinners.

What a joke!!!!

Can anybody tell me why there are restrictions for young bowlers and not batsman and keepers, so as it is now a young keeper can stand behind the stumps all morning and then for 75 overs in the afternoon, all the time bending over, doing damage to his back and diving and getting sore or even broken fingers and hands. Also a young batsman can play in the mornings and then say open the batting and bat for 75 overs (if they are good enough) all the time some dumb fast bowler trying to knock their block off, and getting hit with the ball and say getting hurt or injured. And then you have got a young bowler that can only bowl 16 overs in a day (the morning +afternoon). No wonder there is not many good young bowlers around, and most clubs have to rely on the old and very old.

[wal05]

Originally Posted by old hack

Thanks for the support mate, I think the rule is to protect fast bowlers from back injuries not for spinners. Do I ask him not to bowl in the juniors and save him for seniors. Not far to him.

The thing about common sense is that it is not that common.

WE rang cricket victoria and they told us that it was all ok and the restrictions do not apply, then we were told that our comp by-laws over rule the cricket victoria. Can you help with this?

We will write an official letter to our comp and also cricket Victoria and also Cricket Australia and Media to draw attention to this sill by-law.

If I wait until the end of the year it will waste a year of his development and that is not far to him.

If there is any other suggestions by you and or anyone else please let me know your thoughts. I hope he can play with us for a year or 2 tops and then go to a higher level.

Do you really think that playing at this level will help him develop? and if so do you not think it will be at the detriment of your team?

[My Captain, My Captain.]

Originally Posted by A.Hussey

i cant believe people are still crapping on about jimmys hat. the st mary's boys made a big deal about it in the final last year. why? who gives a s##t. please someone explain. surely you cant question a man commitment by looking at his hat. jim is a great club man. if he was wearing a santa hat i may be worried. come on lads.

also those under 17 rules are australian wide. qld cricket has it as a by law in all comps across the state. the also had restrictions on u/19's only bowling 8 over spells. i hope the lad goes well and handles the step up, but its a huge call no matter how good he is at his age.

Hussey I agree with you, all the talk about Jim he must be a superstar!!!!!!!!

[old hack]

Originally Posted by wal05

Do you really think that playing at this level will help him develop? and if so do you not think it will be at the detriment of your team?

Yes we do!!

And no there will be no free rides in our team as we are not good enough to carry anyone, everyone needs to contribute for us to be competitive.

[old hack]

Originally Posted by My Captain, My Captain.

Can anybody tell me why there are restrictions for young bowlers and not batsman and keepers, so as it is now a young keeper can stand behind the stumps all morning and then for 75 overs in the afternoon, all the time bending over, doing damage to his back and diving and getting sore or even broken fingers and hands. Also a young batsman can play in the mornings and then say open the batting and bat for 75 overs (if they are good enough) all the time some dumb fast bowler trying to knock their block off, and getting hit with the ball and say getting hurt or injured. And then you have got a young bowler that can only bowl 16 overs in a day (the morning +afternoon). No wonder there is not many good young bowlers around, and most clubs have to rely on the old and very old.

Totally agree.

At the next AGM we might have to right up some more by-laws for the sake of it.

Cricket Victoria said this type of rule does not apply to spin bowlers.

But we have a by-law that conflicts with the advice given to us from Cricket Victoria.

[old hack]

Originally Posted by My Captain, My Captain.

Hussey I agree with you, all the talk about Jim he must be a superstar!!!!!!!!

I think Jim is a superstar bloke, perhaps not a superstar cricketer.

We don't have any at our club.

Looking for some though!!! Under the age of 40 would be good too!!!

[wal05]

Originally Posted by old hack

Yes we do!!

And no there will be no free rides in our team as we are not good enough to carry anyone, everyone needs to contribute for us to be competitive.

i seriously doubt that playing in a turf will help him develop a great deal. he is still very young and i think it may even hinder his development. i think mentally he may come undone bowling to guys like phil eilers who could take to him. spin bowling is not an easy thing to master and there can be a fine line between bowling well and being hit for plenty of runs. this is why i would be concerned about playing him Dave. he may need to be carried at times and as you say everyone needs to contribute for st andrews to be competitive. Carrying the youngster might simply speed up the decline that st andrews are engaged in.

Dave, i think your captaincy will be duly questioned with this move and im sure senior players who are overlooked will not be to happy with your direction on this matter.


I must wish the young man good luck however if he does play and good luck to you Dave with your captaincy position.