Australian Cricket Team Discussions

[el-capitano]

Australian Cricket Team Discussions

as ive said earlier, pontings time at no3 is over, he needs to be moved to no 5, hussey has to go, and clarke can move to no4 and he is also on my shitlist. remember clarke was originally put in the team as a project player, with our super strong batting line up at the time it was thought we could afford to play a young batsmen with an eye on the future, well, he isnt a "pup" anymore and he certaily hasnt improved like we all hoped "thought" he would, he doesnt respect he"s wicket nearly enough and as i said earlier, averaging 47 and striking at 50 odd at no5 just isnt good enough for a specialist batsmen in the Australian team, i would give him 1/2 series at number 3/4 and if he doesnt improve id be looking elsewhere, i dont think haddins in any danger at all, as long as hes batting is "OK", he is in my opinion the logical choice for our next captain, who else is there ? i also dont think we can afford to play 4 specialist bowlers anymore (even if one is mitch) with our batting consistantly letting us down and no standout spin option, id prefer to play symonds and north in the same team than play hauritz, hauritz isnt a big wkt taker and will only be brought in to keep things tight, something symonds and north are capable of. IMO

Not to continue getting this off topic which is the spud, Bryce McGain, but......

you seem to have a short memory mate, as well as being a hard marker. From memory Clarke was our leading run scorer in the last series against South Africa and New Zealand, which isn't too shabby.

And if averaging 47 in test match cricket isn't good enough for you, then guys like Mark Waugh (41.81), David Boon (43.65), Geoff Marsh (33.18), Damien Martyn (46.37) etc to name a few wouldn't have got a run in the test team with you as a selector!

 

[distributer of pain]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

Not to continue getting this off topic which is the spud, Bryce McGain, but......

you seem to have a short memory mate, as well as being a hard marker. From memory Clarke was our leading run scorer in the last series against South Africa and New Zealand, which isn't too shabby.

And if averaging 47 in test match cricket isn't good enough for you, then guys like Mark Waugh (41.81), David Boon (43.65), Geoff Marsh (33.18), Damien Martyn (46.37) etc to name a few wouldn't have got a run in the test team with you as a selector!

as i said, its just my opinion, it wasnt hard to be our highest run scorer in the last 2 series, mark waugh, david boon, geoff marsh wernt good enough at test level, at least not at the level of play weve become acustumed too the last 10 years, if averaging 47 and striking at 50 batting at number 5 against mainly a worn ball and tiring bowlers is good enough for you than so be it, remember his first class average is only 40, im not saying drop him now, but if we dont see some big scores in the next series or two then surely he needs to be sent a message. its also the way he goes out when set which is of concern to me. and yes, i am a hard marker, like every good armchair critic should be, we are talking about te national team after all.

 

[The Ox]

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as i said, its just my opinion, it wasnt hard to be our highest run scorer in the last 2 series, mark waugh, david boon, geoff marsh wernt good enough at test level, at least not at the level of play weve become acustumed too the last 10 years, if averaging 47 and striking at 50 batting at number 5 against mainly a worn ball and tiring bowlers is good enough for you than so be it, remember his first class average is only 40, im not saying drop him now, but if we dont see some big scores in the next series or two then surely he needs to be sent a message. its also the way he goes out when set which is of concern to me. and yes, i am a hard marker, like every good armchair critic should be, we are talking about te national team after all.

LOL, good one.

 

[distributer of pain]

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langer was an opener, and averaged more as a opener then anywhere else he played, id dare to say he averaged 50 or better as an opener, and im on drugs hey, would, boon, marsh get anywhere near an Australian side now averaging low 40s. maybe waughs bowling would get him a game but not the other two, david boons biggest claim to fame was drinking 20000 stubbies on the flight back from the UK. maybe leave your comments for something you know a little bit more about, and dont reply to my posts with your gibberish again you hear.

 

[el-capitano]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

langer was an opener, and averaged more as a opener then anywhere else he played, id dare to say he averaged 50 or better as an opener, and im on drugs hey, would, boon, marsh get anywhere near an Australian side now averaging low 40s. maybe waughs bowling would get him a game but not the other two, david boons biggest claim to fame was drinking 20000 stubbies on the flight back from the UK. maybe leave your comments for something you know a little bit more about, and dont reply to my posts with your gibberish again you hear.

For the record Langer's average, after he was resurrected as an opener in 2001, and the second half of his career was 48.4!

Clarke's current career average is 47.8, and if you want to compare apples to apples, since Clarke career was resurrected in 2006, his second half of his career average is 57.8.

I'm still not sure why you want to carry on with baseless gibberish conclusions- facts can be your friend!!!

 

[distributer of pain]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

baseless gibberish conclusions ?, im sorry, what parts gibberish ?, are you happy with clarkes form are you ? i also just stated that he needs some big scores in the next two series, surely im not the only one who thinks that, he doesnt exactly instill fear into any bowling attack now does he.

 

[breeno]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

gibberish conclusions ?, are you happy with clarkes form are you ? i also just stated that he needs some big scores in the next two series, surely im not the only one who thinks that.

He has a point, Clarke is a very good batsman and averages a fair bit.

So do you though, he throws his wicket away a lot, but he is still vital to the Australian side.

 

[distributer of pain]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

his last 6 digs.

68 0
3 23
0 47

his form prior to that was 1st class, who knows maybe his shoulders troubling him a bit more than we think. ?

 

[el-capitano]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

baseless gibberish conclusions ?, im sorry, what parts gibberish ?, are you happy with clarkes form are you ? i also just stated that he needs some big scores in the next two series, surely im not the only one who thinks that, he doesnt exactly instill fear into any bowling attack now does he.

I was actually picking up on your use of the word in your previous post to mock someone else- when you in fact were quoting incorrect figures yourself!

I'd say that in Australia, New Zealand thought he was our best bat as he scored the most runs out of either side.

I'd also say that in Australia, South Africa thought he was our best bat too- as he scored the most runs out of either side!

If I wanted to come up with an excuse of sorts- I'm not sure if you remember- but he had a very limited preparation for this tour and was in doubt for the first test with his back injury- I'm sure that did play on his mind and affected his form.

He had a poor series in South Africa by his own standards but to say that he needs some big scores in the next two series is pretty self explanatory.

In fact you could say that all of the Aussie batsmen need to score some big scores in the next two series, or they will be dropped.

 

[distributer of pain]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

I was actually picking up on your use of the word in your previous post to mock someone else- when you in fact were quoting incorrect figures yourself!

I'd say that in Australia, New Zealand thought he was our best bat as he scored the most runs out of either side.

I'd also say that in Australia, South Africa thought he was our best bat too- as he scored the most runs out of either side!

If I wanted to come up with an excuse of sorts- I'm not sure if you remember- but he had a very limited preparation for this tour and was in doubt for the first test with his back injury- I'm sure that did play on his mind and affected his form.

He had a poor series in South Africa by his own standards but to say that he needs some big scores in the next two series is pretty self explanatory.

In fact you could say that all of the Aussie batsmen need to score some big scores in the next two series, or they will be dropped.

point taken. good point too. i was more pissed off with people saying boon and marsh were good by todays standards.

 

[Mousey]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

Clarke is a very good player. Australia need him. He may throw away his wicket sometimes but he has made 10 tons and 13 half centuries. This shows that he usually does go on to make a big score. A strike rate of 53 isn't bad. Add to that his ability to bowl fairly well and I think he is unreplacable.

 

[distributer of pain]

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i was a little hasty in my comments, but its not hard to get on my shitlist, but its even easier to get off it by scoring some runs, striking at 53 at no5 isnt good either, i like no5 batsmen to be dashers which is the reason i said he should move down to 3/4, one thing i have noticed going through his record is that he rarely makes runs in both innings, but he isnt alone there, and a lot of his bigger scores have come in the 2nd innings which is quite rare (in a good way), ill leave him alone for the time being, but ill be watching, PS anyone think lee will make it back ??

 

[distributer of pain]

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Not to continue getting this off topic which is the spud, Bryce McGain, but......

you seem to have a short memory mate, as well as being a hard marker. From memory Clarke was our leading run scorer in the last series against South Africa and New Zealand, which isn't too shabby.

And if averaging 47 in test match cricket isn't good enough for you, then guys like Mark Waugh (41.81), David Boon (43.65), Geoff Marsh (33.18), Damien Martyn (46.37) etc to name a few wouldn't have got a run in the test team with you as a selector!

no they wouldnt. sorry to bring this up again (i actually thought someone else posted this crap) but putting geoff marshs name up is without doubt one of the stupidest things i have ever come across, 33.18 and im betting his strike rate was lower than 40, do you think he was a good player at test level do you. oops i just checked his strike rate, lol, 35 and averaging 33, well what a star, how did we ever achieve what we have without him. as you said, stats can be your friend, not this time. and damien martyn jumped before he was pushed (i think) he was at the very least over balancing on the plank when he pulled the pin and he averged 50+ for most of his career. his average suffered in his final farewell stint. and then theres mark waugh, well, we cant drop mark waugh, it doesnt matter if he doesnt make any runs, he just looks so good going out, you really should be a selector, im serious, you have a wealth of knoledge.

 

[el-capitano]

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I've been one of Bing's biggest fans over the years- but I'm not sure if the Ashes would be the best place for him to make a comeback. I think Siddle & Johnson are certs for the first test. Clark would bowl well over there, as would Hilfy with his outswingers.

Lee's record in England isnt the best, so if he was to make a comeback I'd rather see him do it down here- although by then the horse may have bolted!

 

[distributer of pain]

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yeah his record isnt great over there but one good series good change that, i think if hes pace is good in the IPL and he bowls well he would be good choice as our 4th quick (if they go for 4 quicks, which i think the have to with no standout spinner and north in the team and hopefully katich bowling a few overs) he bats reasonably well and with mitchs batting comming on it would give us a strong tail, he really hasnt done a lot wrong if you take into account he bowled injured for a while before his break.

 

[Biggie]

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Wow.

Quite a bit of rubbish posted in this thread.

 

[Sober Symonds]

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Not to continue getting this off topic which is the spud, Bryce McGain, but......

you seem to have a short memory mate, as well as being a hard marker. From memory Clarke was our leading run scorer in the last series against South Africa and New Zealand, which isn't too shabby.

And if averaging 47 in test match cricket isn't good enough for you, then guys like Mark Waugh (41.81), David Boon (43.65), Geoff Marsh (33.18), Damien Martyn (46.37) etc to name a few wouldn't have got a run in the test team with you as a selector!

Apart from a hint of NSW bias, I also detect a bit of a blind reliance on stats. We could argue the case for Love, Hodge & others on the same principal, but they're not from Sydney, are they?

Clarke's recent form, as "D.O.Pain" spells out, is a concern. Now if you reckon he was underprepared, carrying an injury or whatever, then perhaps we should get back to McGain and making some excuses for his one performance.

Boon, Martyn and Waugh were unquestionably great contributors to the Australian Test team. Marsh's scores probably explain a bit about him, but these guys played when we didn't necessarily rule the world and there were some decent attacks going round. The likes of Clarke & Hussey came in when no-one could bowl us out, so that's a far easier platform on which to begin.

Clarke has been a let-down, and others can see it. His figures would be boosted by batting low, therefore having some n.o's, though I will concede he has played some decent innings at times. The consistency or reliability isn't there. He was put into the middle order to begin with, and nurtured as our next leader, yet in the years that have since passed he has failed to convince us still that he is ready for elevation to 3 or 4, or to lead the national team.

As for Lee, he seems to have some tremendous series, and some lamentable ones. Perhaps he should be looked at in terms of where the team is going to be playing and be smart about who we take where. He is easy fodder in England, whereas some of our swing bowlers would relish the conditions. It's time the selectors recognised this.

 

[distributer of pain]

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Apart from a hint of NSW bias, I also detect a bit of a blind reliance on stats. We could argue the case for Love, Hodge & others on the same principal, but they're not from Sydney, are they?

Clarke's recent form, as "D.O.Pain" spells out, is a concern. Now if you reckon he was underprepared, carrying an injury or whatever, then perhaps we should get back to McGain and making some excuses for his one performance.

Boon, Martyn and Waugh were unquestionably great contributors to the Australian Test team. Marsh's scores probably explain a bit about him, but these guys played when we didn't necessarily rule the world and there were some decent attacks going round. The likes of Clarke & Hussey came in when no-one could bowl us out, so that's a far easier platform on which to begin.

Clarke has been a let-down, and others can see it. His figures would be boosted by batting low, therefore having some n.o's, though I will concede he has played some decent innings at times. The consistency or reliability isn't there. He was put into the middle order to begin with, and nurtured as our next leader, yet in the years that have since passed he has failed to convince us still that he is ready for elevation to 3 or 4, or to lead the national team.

As for Lee, he seems to have some tremendous series, and some lamentable ones. Perhaps he should be looked at in terms of where the team is going to be playing and be smart about who we take where. He is easy fodder in England, whereas some of our swing bowlers would relish the conditions. It's time the selectors recognised this.

agreed, geoff marsh averaged 33 and striked at 35 so he will go down as a test failure, and a big failure at that, remember alan border averaged over 50 against the same attacks, mark waugh just promised so much as a batsman but he didnt have the temprement to to be a good test batsman, i think hes highest score was 140 odd and he"s highest ODI was over 150 so that tells a story, he may have batted in the wrong place for most of his carreer though, he was suited to 5/6 me thinks, i did love watching him bat though and he will allways be one of my favorite ODI players, david boon was just so so, nothing flash but did a good job for a number of years, as for clarke i said id leave him alone for a while but as i said earlier he just doesnt look hungry to me, but we"ll wait and see.

 

[Kram81]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

boon, marsh get anywhere near an Australian side now averaging low 40s. maybe waughs bowling would get him a game but not the other two, david boons biggest claim to fame was drinking 20000 stubbies on the flight back from the UK. maybe leave your comments for something you know a little bit more about, and dont reply to my posts with your gibberish again you hear.

This is just laughable, I'd say you have never even watched him play a game. Boon was a superb batsman that often carried
Australia and in his prime would easily be in the Australian side today. Do you think he may have averaged a bit less because of the tougher wickets, no boundary ropes and West Indians like Curtley Ambrose were running around? Not to mention being a freakish fielder at short leg. He made 122 and 49 in the tied Test in Madras under quite possibly the must horrendous conditions ever experienced by cricketers.

Also in ODIs he performed, was the leader at the 87 World Cup averaging 55 and top scored with 75 in the final that we of course won.

 

[distributer of pain]

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average of 43 and strike rate of 40, shit your right, hed be the first picked in my team. as i said, dont reply to my posts with your gibberish comments, allthough i do applaud big cricket letting mentally handicaped people like yourself post in this forum, it can be quite funny.