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eddiesmith;358949 said:
Johnson, Clark, Lee, Hilfenhaus and Watson is a very exciting bowling attack, for the opposition batsmen :D
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yeah pickings are slim at present, doesnt have the same ring to it as mcgrath, warne, gillespie, which is why id be picking clark 1st, he's just a better bowler then the rest of them, you say he's to old and blah blah blah but if the selectors wernt going to pick him, why select him to tour ?, our bowlers have failed and failed big time and he's still on the outer which means he was never going to play anyway, he's out bowled the majority our attack in the warm up games, i just dont get it TBH , just another reason the selectors should go, incompetent.
 
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pickings arent that slim, its just the wrong people are being picked. how long was johnson, clark and lee ripping things apart by themselves? they dominated india, the windies, new zealand, plus all the ones before when mcgrath and warne were in the side anyways, they didnt take up the WHOLE attack and clark was equal to if not better then mcgrath at his end anyways. the only team they faultered against really was india the second time round, but lee was sick and clark was just getting injured. then lee was sick and injured against south africa. then all of a sudden he became out of form and the worst player ever. now suddenly people want him in the side. i dont know what to think anymore.

its a world class attack. johnson is rated 3rd in the world and clark is fifth despite his injury. lee is ninth down from fifth cause he kept playing with his injury and affected his form. but that is more then any other team in the world, three out of four bowlers in the top ten in ICC rankings. and they are accurate rankings too.
 
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also, you'd think when your playing a 20yr old opener and your no 4 batsman has averged 20 for the previous year and a bit you'd be inclined to take one or 2 specialist batsman, we didnt take any, we took an allrounder who just happens to be the most injury prone player the game has ever seen, luckily for them watsons come good but what if he didnt, stevie wonder can see how pathitic these selectors are.
 
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Boris;358952 said:
pickings arent that slim, its just the wrong people are being picked. how long was johnson, clark and lee ripping things apart by themselves? they dominated india, the windies, new zealand, plus all the ones before when mcgrath and warne were in the side anyways, they didnt take up the WHOLE attack and clark was equal to if not better then mcgrath at his end anyways. the only team they faultered against really was india the second time round, but lee was sick and clark was just getting injured. then lee was sick and injured against south africa. then all of a sudden he became out of form and the worst player ever. now suddenly people want him in the side. i dont know what to think anymore.

its a world class attack. johnson is rated 3rd in the world and clark is fifth despite his injury. lee is ninth down from fifth cause he kept playing with his injury and affected his form. but that is more then any other team in the world, three out of four bowlers in the top ten in ICC rankings. and they are accurate rankings too.
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i dont rate johnson, never have really, i like left armers to have high arm actions in the bruce reid mould if possible, i think he'll average 30 odd after his careers over, whats he done really ?? fact is he's to slow to bowl with a slinging action IMO, id like to him bowling 4/5 over spells above 150, at present he's only bowling around the 145 mark, he has horrible seam position and doesnt get enough bounce due to his action, he also strangles the ball, something ian chappel picked up on a couple of years ago (holds the ball way back in his hand), but i suppose most slingers do that, so IMO he'll never lead our attack but he's good enough to be a change bowler.
 
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Pickings arent slim, its just they keep persisting with these over the hill captains favourites in the squad who arent fit enough or good enough therefore hindering the chance to further develop any new bowlers for the future

But no Boris your attack is great, Clark only averaged 80 in India, fine performance, Lee averages well over 40 in England, top choice, Johnson is getting spanked already and is completely unthreatening whilst Watson got spanked and its a miracle he survived 3 overs. Hilfenhaus is the only bowler in that attack who has looked dangerous and even then he does need it swinging
 
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eddiesmith;358959 said:
Pickings arent slim, its just they keep persisting with these over the hill captains favourites in the squad who arent fit enough or good enough therefore hindering the chance to further develop any new bowlers for the future

But no Boris your attack is great, Clark only averaged 80 in India, fine performance, Lee averages well over 40 in England, top choice, Johnson is getting spanked already and is completely unthreatening whilst Watson got spanked and its a miracle he survived 3 overs. Hilfenhaus is the only bowler in that attack who has looked dangerous and even then he does need it swinging
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believe me, they are, theirs really no one else to choose from at home when it comes to quick bowling.
 
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Not really, there are some good bowlers around Australia, but instead of them being on tour and the captain and selectors getting a look at them over in England and putting pressure on the current attack, they chose to bring over their retirement home members instead who will spend the tour trying to get fit
 
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The stocks aren't what they were when Kaspro, Bichel, Fleming or whoever would be ready & waiting in the wings, but there are still quite diverse options. After all, we've taken over as many "frontline" bowlers as we have batsmen. Amazing, isn't it?

Still, the likes of Bollinger, Nannes & Bracken and to a lesser extent Dorey, Geeves, McKay, Harris, Magoffin & Noffke have made stated claims for higher duties. Some of these bowlers would more than likely do well in English conditions. It shouldn't mean they're locked into being seriously considered once the team is playing at home again, or on the sub-continent. For the current situation though, we've had enough material to work with when selections have been made.
 
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eddiesmith;358979 said:
I wouldnt be suprised if McKay got a run within the next 12 months
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Pick another Victorian.

Maybe Jason Arnberger?

EDIT: James Pattison

EDIT2: Graeme Rummans

EDIT3: Ian Hewitt

EDIT4: Cameron 'straightbreak' White
 
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Sober Symonds;358977 said:
The stocks aren't what they were when Kaspro, Bichel, Fleming or whoever would be ready & waiting in the wings, but there are still quite diverse options. After all, we've taken over as many "frontline" bowlers as we have batsmen. Amazing, isn't it?

Still, the likes of Bollinger, Nannes & Bracken and to a lesser extent Dorey, Geeves, McKay, Harris, Magoffin & Noffke have made stated claims for higher duties. Some of these bowlers would more than likely do well in English conditions. It shouldn't mean they're locked into being seriously considered once the team is playing at home again, or on the sub-continent. For the current situation though, we've had enough material to work with when selections have been made.
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Nannes is ineligible as he plays for the Netherlands.

Would have thought Magoffin would be at least worthy of going on tour. 38 wickets at 22.87 last season to go with 35 at 25.49 in 07/08 and then 33 at 27.58 in 06/07.

In total that's 106 wickets at an average of 25.20. Some fairly decent stats.

Even Dorey's stats are fairly good. 42 at 24.12 last season with 20 at 24.90 in 07/08 and 21 at 26.29 in 06/07. The 06/07 and 07/08 he missed about half of both seasons through injury though. Overall record is 83 wickets at 24.86 which is also pretty good for the past three seasons.

Dorey's probably a little old now at 32 but Magoffin is a little stiff in my opinion.
 
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What people have to realise is the fact that we were one wicket of smashing England at Cardiff, and we lost the lords test match on one afternoon of batting where we got out pulling/hooking.

Our batting has let us down, I actually think our bowling on a whole has been pretty servicable. Sure Johnson has been down but his getting there. IF we batted half-decent at Lords in the first dig we'd at least still be 0-0 or maybe even 1-0 up.

We aren't far of it, people are acting like England are a superstar team. They are not, in a way it would be a travesty for them to regain the Ashes, because what have they done since the last Ashes series? Stuff all.

What will they do after this Ashes series? Stuff all. Because if the ball doesn't swing they have a toothless attack, the Kookaburra rarely swings conventionally unless conditions suit (ie, Brisbane 2008 V NZ).

In that sense if England did win the Ashes it would demean the historic record that the Ashes has.

For what it's worth I think Australia will win the 4th test, and I think the last test will be a draw. The series will therefore finish 1-1 and Australia will retain the urn.

Hopefully Australia are 9 down on the last day at The Oval while England push for a wicket and we save the game by bringing out the Physio to waste time.

That would really put the wind up the poms.
 
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a for effort;358981 said:
Pick another Victorian.

Maybe Jason Arnberger?

EDIT: James Pattison

EDIT2: Graeme Rummans

EDIT3: Ian Hewitt

EDIT4: Cameron 'straightbreak' White
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They could always pick, umm, wait I cant even think of a South Australian player who would be close to selection, even Manou will have disappeared from thinking by the Australian summer after Haddins replacement in the ODI team shows what happens when they pick a keeper who can also bat as well as be a good keeper
 
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eddiesmith;359100 said:
They could always pick, umm, wait I cant even think of a South Australian player who would be close to selection, even Manou will have disappeared from thinking by the Australian summer after Haddins replacement in the ODI team shows what happens when they pick a keeper who can also bat as well as be a good keeper
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I.e Matthew Wade.
 
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