Mysteries of Johnson and his inswinger
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I watched a really good piece of vision that compared his arm position when he was at the top of his game in South Africa, to the Cardiff test. In Cardiff (and again last night) he was collapsing at the crease and didn't have his bowling arm up high, resulting in an almost 45 degree angle at the point of release and him scrambling the seam as well as losing direction. It was on the Sky coverage and Michael Holding was discussing it.
He bowled poorly last night and then dishes up an absolute belter, in the ball that dismissed Prior. Hopefully it kick starts his series becaused to this point he has been well below his best.
I watched a really good piece of vision that compared his arm position when he was at the top of his game in South Africa, to the Cardiff test. In Cardiff (and again last night) he was collapsing at the crease and didn't have his bowling arm up high, resulting in an almost 45 degree angle at the point of release and him scrambling the seam as well as losing direction. It was on the Sky coverage and Michael Holding was discussing it.
He bowled poorly last night and then dishes up an absolute belter, in the ball that dismissed Prior. Hopefully it kick starts his series becaused to this point he has been well below his best.
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U dont think fatigue has a bit to do with the arm being lower?
Also u would think if you have a bowling coach on 200k a year that he would be able to get Johnno to get his wrist in a position where he can actually swing the ball!!!!!
camo1902;356913 said:
U dont think fatigue has a bit to do with the arm being lower?
Also u would think if you have a bowling coach on 200k a year that he would be able to get Johnno to get his wrist in a position where he can actually swing the ball!!!!!
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I think an additional problem is the fact that Johnson appears to hold the ball well back in his hand. I know that sounds funny, but most bowlers hold the ball in the tips of their fingers. Johnson really holds it back relatively deep in his hand which makes it harder to keep the seam upright.
Even in SA he wasn't getting the seam bolt upright, when he swings it he gets the seam pointing towards a really fine, fine leg.
He would know that his arm is to low at the moment, but it's not just a case of going down to the practise nets and correcting it. He needs to find the groove. If he keeps serving up the sub-standard quality of bowling so far this series then we'll have no option but to drop him. As a result he'd probably not play in our home summer, especially if we lose the Ashes. He'd go back to state cricket and he'd have to sort the problem out.
I think an additional problem is the fact that Johnson appears to hold the ball well back in his hand. I know that sounds funny, but most bowlers hold the ball in the tips of their fingers. Johnson really holds it back relatively deep in his hand which makes it harder to keep the seam upright.
Even in SA he wasn't getting the seam bolt upright, when he swings it he gets the seam pointing towards a really fine, fine leg.
He would know that his arm is to low at the moment, but it's not just a case of going down to the practise nets and correcting it. He needs to find the groove. If he keeps serving up the sub-standard quality of bowling so far this series then we'll have no option but to drop him. As a result he'd probably not play in our home summer, especially if we lose the Ashes. He'd go back to state cricket and he'd have to sort the problem out.
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Yep, he has to be dropped, this is shocking bowling. He has no idea where the ball is going. Really disappointing. The only positive so far on day 4 is that England didn't enforce the follow on, so at least we have a chance - if somewhat slight - of drawing the match.
Yep, he has to be dropped, this is shocking bowling. He has no idea where the ball is going. Really disappointing. The only positive so far on day 4 is that England didn't enforce the follow on, so at least we have a chance - if somewhat slight - of drawing the match.
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just hold on and believe for another match. he can and will come back. he uses his different action to his advantage. in south africa he was moving the point of delivery around so some balls were more round arm and skidding and other over the top and swinging. he has lost his groove on the english pitches and the duke balls. he is bowling like he did when he started with queensland. he, along with the help of the bulls great bowling coach, slowly corrected his errors and he got to the stage hes at. he has shown how good he is and what he can do. now hes just got to get through a dip in form and get some bowling in. once a player has cemented their spot in the side they should be allowed to play on through dips like this so that the team doesnt lose a great player. if he gets dropped and clark, lee, siddle, bollinger and so on take his place they are likely going to do well and make a spot for themselves and make it hard to get back in to the side. but they wont be as good as mitch is and will be and to lose him will be a great loss to the side.
having said that though, selectors do have a hard choice to make. they must have learnt from 2005 with gillespie and kaspa out of form. both extremely good bowlers who, especially dizzy, had their spots cemented for a number of tours and years. they both had the same problem as mitch, absolutely blinding seasons leading up to the ashes but the suddenly poor form due to change of conditions. they werent dropped soon enough and pretty much lost a couple of matches for the team. as a result both of their careers ended there because other bowlers made their mark in the time that they were coming back. gillespie racked up great figures and wicket after wicket at first class level, even coming back to the team in the time of injuries and rests for the normal players against bangladesh and got a 4fa, 3fa and scored 201*, and that wasnt enough. it was a huge talent wasted and i think had he been able to play he would have racked up about 400 wickets for australia and figures to match mcgrath. we cant let the same happen to mitch, especially so early in his career. every player has drops in form and they have to be able to play through them.
just hold on and believe for another match. he can and will come back. he uses his different action to his advantage. in south africa he was moving the point of delivery around so some balls were more round arm and skidding and other over the top and swinging. he has lost his groove on the english pitches and the duke balls. he is bowling like he did when he started with queensland. he, along with the help of the bulls great bowling coach, slowly corrected his errors and he got to the stage hes at. he has shown how good he is and what he can do. now hes just got to get through a dip in form and get some bowling in. once a player has cemented their spot in the side they should be allowed to play on through dips like this so that the team doesnt lose a great player. if he gets dropped and clark, lee, siddle, bollinger and so on take his place they are likely going to do well and make a spot for themselves and make it hard to get back in to the side. but they wont be as good as mitch is and will be and to lose him will be a great loss to the side.
having said that though, selectors do have a hard choice to make. they must have learnt from 2005 with gillespie and kaspa out of form. both extremely good bowlers who, especially dizzy, had their spots cemented for a number of tours and years. they both had the same problem as mitch, absolutely blinding seasons leading up to the ashes but the suddenly poor form due to change of conditions. they werent dropped soon enough and pretty much lost a couple of matches for the team. as a result both of their careers ended there because other bowlers made their mark in the time that they were coming back. gillespie racked up great figures and wicket after wicket at first class level, even coming back to the team in the time of injuries and rests for the normal players against bangladesh and got a 4fa, 3fa and scored 201*, and that wasnt enough. it was a huge talent wasted and i think had he been able to play he would have racked up about 400 wickets for australia and figures to match mcgrath. we cant let the same happen to mitch, especially so early in his career. every player has drops in form and they have to be able to play through them.
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Wasn't that bad in the 3rd test match relatively speaking. One thing I think that is missing is the fact that these English pitches really don't have that bounce that pitches in Aus and SA have. I remember that Mckensie dismissal in the 2nd test at durban in the first innings, the bounce was the thing that did the batsmen.
Wasn't that bad in the 3rd test match relatively speaking. One thing I think that is missing is the fact that these English pitches really don't have that bounce that pitches in Aus and SA have. I remember that Mckensie dismissal in the 2nd test at durban in the first innings, the bounce was the thing that did the batsmen.
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yes, much better in that test. secured his spot for the next test anyway. went from sulking and defencive bowling to attacking the batsman again. good to see. expect better from him next test.
i think the only problem with his bowling is the change of conditions. no bounce, more swing, very different balls, different bowling styles, very different batsman (the english only play well in england and they up the ante hugely against australia for the ashes, so the batsman are a little different to the ones they study in there planning stages). it'll all come back to him soon.
yes, much better in that test. secured his spot for the next test anyway. went from sulking and defencive bowling to attacking the batsman again. good to see. expect better from him next test.
i think the only problem with his bowling is the change of conditions. no bounce, more swing, very different balls, different bowling styles, very different batsman (the english only play well in england and they up the ante hugely against australia for the ashes, so the batsman are a little different to the ones they study in there planning stages). it'll all come back to him soon.