Pomersbach charged with assault

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well that cleared some things up in my head big time, thanks.

so pomersbach will most likely not be playing for the next two seasons, except in IPL. he doesnt play county does he? and some county teams arent accepting symonds because of his misdemeanors, but this is much worse so im not sure they would pick him. im not sure about south africa.

for hussey it may be just that he is giving up the longer form of the game if he is dropped. he seems to be a michael bevan player and may end up only in the ODI squad, and if he isnt in the test side he might want to conserve his body to only play one dayers for his country. but i dont think he will be dropped just yet.
if i were any other state and he put his hand up for SS selection i would snavel him up. he is the greatest mentor still playing to younger players and the fact that he has an average of over 100 in england in the tour games against county players which shows that hes definitely at least at domestic level batting wise. he would probably be winning games for whichever side he plays for as well as helping youngsters come through with his experience. you see in the nets he works with newbies and coaches them on life at the higher level. either of those options are fine with me. he is still and always will be an ODI great.

i hope pomersbach comes through this alright cause hes a good player. hopefully when he comes back he has an easier to type name as well. :p
 
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Moody spent two years under the previous CEO trying to raise the discipline and kept getting undercut for 'image' reasons- which backfired because the players were running amok. now that he has the backing of Wood and his clique i doubt that Hussey is going to find it a pushover to get back in- no matter how good he is. when you get down to it you can't have one rule for one guy and another for the other 19 players on your short list.
if he wants to play for WA, in four day or one day format, Moody probably, and Wood definitely, will make him beg. and so they should- for all his strengths as a mentor it was piss poor form to turn around and say he wasn't going to play Sheffield Shield because he was playing for Australia or IPL (!), depending on who you listen to. Langer and Gilchrist were twice the player he is and they played every game they could for WA- even one dayers. now that he needs four day experience to rectify his form he has as much as said he expects to be included in the WA side without paying the price for what he did. no apology, no acknowledgement that he did wrong.
this isn't simply about ego (i would imagine Lillee, Wood and Moody will be enjoying a bit of revenge against the traditionalists who got them in the past), but about building a dynasty like the late 80's and mid 90's. Kim Hughes in the 1980's and Martyn and Langer in the 1990's were made to tow the line (or in Hughes' case get out) so that every player knew that the Captain was in charge. Hussey is going to be the new example so that everyone knows that North is in charge.
i think that any state that would recruit Hussey under the circumstances is just setting themselves up for the sorts of problems that have plagued WA cricket these last ten years. when you let the players set the terms then discipline- including self discipline- goes out the window.
 
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bren122;360280 said:
the key will come down to what Cricketing Australia does; if it agrees with the two season ban and rules him out of national selection then everything else will fall into place. i am told that a ban in one state applies to all states under CA rules- but not to CA selection. technically he can head off to South Africa for the summer and County and IPL for the winter and still gain CA selection. this is just what i have been told by someone who i would think would know but i (and he) could be wrong because we weren't talking over a pile of rule books.
the reason for a two season ban is that it is the new minimum residency requirement for international players; technically if it were longer a player could use the time to qualify for another country. also the use of seasons instead of years means that he can still play for another competition- County, IPL or South Africa (for example)- so that when he does come back he is not starting from scratch. but with CA selecting Mike Hussey despite his decision to not play Sheffield Shield anymore it is difficult to say what will happen. if CA select Pomersbach then the whole discipline structure of the state sides will have to change. i just can't see that happening, or if it does then the executive and selectors will quickly be replaced.
if Pomersbach does have a problem then he will have to address this himself; but he is fortunate to have Lillee as WACA president, Wood as CEO and Moody as coach- all three have experience in dealing with ratbag players- the latter two got the most out of Langer and Martyn and put them on the road to their various national selections. the severity of the fine would be a wake-up for Pomersbach, but also for the other players in the wake of Hussey's decision. this winter has seen a lot of talk about state pride; i would be very surprised if Langer didn't get an adviser/ mentor role when he is finished in England this year.
the one i am looking forward to is what is going to happen to Hussey when he gets dropped from the national side- i just can't see Wood or Moody- two of the hardest men ever to play for this state- opening the door for him to come back. plus there are rumours that his original decision was prompted by Wood backing up Moody's push for greater discipline- if he can't work with them where does he go? and given his decision to not play for WA at his most valuable, who else is going to have him?
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bren122;360287 said:
Moody spent two years under the previous CEO trying to raise the discipline and kept getting undercut for 'image' reasons- which backfired because the players were running amok. now that he has the backing of Wood and his clique i doubt that Hussey is going to find it a pushover to get back in- no matter how good he is. when you get down to it you can't have one rule for one guy and another for the other 19 players on your short list.
if he wants to play for WA, in four day or one day format, Moody probably, and Wood definitely, will make him beg. and so they should- for all his strengths as a mentor it was piss poor form to turn around and say he wasn't going to play Sheffield Shield because he was playing for Australia or IPL (!), depending on who you listen to. Langer and Gilchrist were twice the player he is and they played every game they could for WA- even one dayers. now that he needs four day experience to rectify his form he has as much as said he expects to be included in the WA side without paying the price for what he did. no apology, no acknowledgement that he did wrong.
this isn't simply about ego (i would imagine Lillee, Wood and Moody will be enjoying a bit of revenge against the traditionalists who got them in the past), but about building a dynasty like the late 80's and mid 90's. Kim Hughes in the 1980's and Martyn and Langer in the 1990's were made to tow the line (or in Hughes' case get out) so that every player knew that the Captain was in charge. Hussey is going to be the new example so that everyone knows that North is in charge.
i think that any state that would recruit Hussey under the circumstances is just setting themselves up for the sorts of problems that have plagued WA cricket these last ten years. when you let the players set the terms then discipline- including self discipline- goes out the window.
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If Pomersbach can behave himself and meet all the guidelines the WACA have set him with regards to rehabilitation and councelling then I reckon he is a chance to play in the second half of this coming season. As poorly as he has behaved over the last week, he is a big talent and would be a huge loss to WA cricket and cricket in general if he never played again.

What Pomersbach has to do now is get himself on the straight and narrow, no more drinking sessions, no more stupidity, no nothing otherwise he can kiss his career goodbye.

WA will probably suffer now with Pomers not playing until at least January 1 but he has been made an example. Players who want to push the rules need to be disciplined and I think that Pomersbach has been disciplined quite well by the WACA. The challenge now is to make sure he doesn't muck up again and get himself into more trouble. If he can prove himself to the WACA then they will pick him because let's face it, cricketers are given multiple chances before they are discarded (e.g. Andrew Symonds).

With regards to Hussey, he will play at least one game of Sheffield Shield this season. I can't see Hussey being picked to play for Australia if his poor form continues so he will be forced to play in the Shield if he wants his spot in the Australia side back should he be dropped. With Pomersbach not playing for the forseeable future, the WACA would be silly to overlook Hussey if he were to become available.
 
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i am not saying don't pick him- just don't open the door for him and pretend nothing happened. Mr Cricket set a very poor example and the least he should do is apologise.

i don't envy the WA selectors their choices but i do think for the long term benefit of the team if neither Hussey nor Pomersbach are going to put the team first then the team should not be bent around them.
 
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Yet another example of how effed-up the legal system in Wacky Australia is. Thank Christ the WACA have enough balls to punish him properly.
 
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Can someone explain to me what Hussey has to do with this?

I presume if Hussey is dropped he'll be a shoe in to play in the WA side?

Has Hussey had problems in the past with discipline at shield leveL?
 
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both Pomersbach and Hussey deserve another go and i hope that we get to see Hussey for a full season.
A few years back, Hussey, at the height of his powers, decided he was not availbale for Shield cricket, though whether that was forever- which is how it sounded at the time- or just a few seasons- as his supporters say now- it was a pretty piss poor act for a man calling himself Mr Cricket- to turn your back on your state?
i just think before he pencils in his place in the WA team he should apologise for the way he acted back then.
 
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That's pathetic, it's not like he couldn't organise a lift or afford to get a taxi for training. **** me I lost my license for 6 months and managed, do the crime do the time.
 
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Fair point about public vigilantes, everyone knows these days that there are a heap of heroes out there who love to make a name for themselves by 'taking down' famous sports stars.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;369029 said:
Fair point about public vigilantes, everyone knows these days that there are a heap of heroes out there who love to make a name for themselves by 'taking down' famous sports stars.
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95% of the people on the street probably wouldn't know who Pommers is let alone what he looked like.
 
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