Dvca, Nmca And Hdca To Merge

[Tongs]

I think that it is great that so much passion has been stirred up, and maybe we don't need this merger to happen, maybe as said prior, this is just the shake up that the 3 associations boards need to fire up and work harded, that said, surely some of the most passionate people on here - Tongs, Cow, Nawab - (not sure of real identities, or if you are on any committees), but why not put your hands up to go on to the associations committee and bring some new ideas to the quote "old, stale, worn out, and been in the position a long time" people.

There is still alot to be said from all angles, but I think we need to get off the 'my side is better, your side is shit' comments.

Yet again, I have never once hidden my identity on here, and don't intend to now. If you want to know, there is about 25 blokes on here that will happily tell you everything about me. Yes I have been on the committee at ECC for about 8-10 years now, in many capacities (including vice president).

Would I be interested in going on? NOT ONE BIT! I am not going to be the scape goats for the peanuts running this. I am not going to put in place what 3 muppets chose to do without consultation of the clubs, then when it turns to shit, put it back on the committee. As for what Mashy said too, the DVCA knew who was going to go onto the committee before they posted a request for nominations, they just had to run a course.

 

[PremiersAgain]

Wobble, that is disappointing. So does anyone know who is on the committee? Any ideas?

Nominations for the DVCA

Mark Maxwell (DVCA EXEC)
Neil Bowden (Self Nominated
Mark Flack (Bundoora Utd)
Graheme Cullen (Plenty)
Peter McLaughlin (North Eltham)

personally would have thought more clubs would have put a name up.

 

[Berger]

Just what this forum needs. Another nameless fool.

GM, you can call me whatever you want, but the harsh facts will remain. Your track record is somewhat tainted as an administrator and you have left a negative legacy to HDCA & NMCA. I suggest the steering commitee should STEER clear of your own hidden agenda.

 

[TheGreatApe]

Interesting how the 20 odd people on this forum are making a judgment on a new competition and considering it to be mainly negative that the new association will not work. So, because this Forum is a non-bias representation of the 5,000-10,000 people who are involved in cricket in our region, we should keep the status quo.

I think we should cool our heels, wait for the facts to come out and then sit and make judgment. If the clubs vote against it, well so be it. Clubs and individuals who understand cricket and appreciate the bigger picture may be able to make a better call than individuals who may only have a small view of their cricket world.

Opinions are what they are and should be respected. Let's wait and see.

Let the majority dictate the minority.

P.S. For those that feel that rivalries will disappear, remember new ones can also be made. What did the original clubs in each association do?

 

[The GM]

Fair enough. I need to spend more time with the great grand-children anyway. I'll leave this up to the intellectual giants and I certainly would not wish to break any more rules.

 

[Goliath]

An idea for the junior merger next year would be for some clubs with a scattering of talent to merge similar to the Yarra Junior football league team, Borondoora hawks. They are the merger of Kew rovers, Canterbury and Glen Iris. They do this so they can field a side that can compete in the Gold division which is the top YJFL division. This only occurs in the ages above 14 years. This gives young players who may never get the chance to play at the higher level a better chance to compete against their peers and improve their game. This would work well in cricket too. The idea would be that teams in the top division would be as close to a Pathways squad talent wise as you could get.

 

[kennel]

1st of all, the HDCA is in far worse trouble than the NMCA is and I'm pretty sure that the winner of the 20/20 from the 3 comps was a NMCA side on the up. I'm quite sure that NMCA have 3 clubs that would seriously push for the super comp, just the same as HDCA does. This isn't to say that all 3 would get in, as I wouldn't be so silly to think that the DVCA would probably fill as many as 9 positions in a 12 team super comp.

really would like to know how the HDCA is in far more trouble than the nmca ,i really not sure how you could come up with that quote ...after the best 2 clubs in the last 20 years wanted out of the competition camrea gone to DVCA ,and rosebank now playing in the HDCA

 

[milo kerrigan]

hope if the comps merge we dont use NMCA finals format : a grade teams get a double chance , every other grade is like the dvca finals . Is it that hard to choose 1 format for finals.

 

[Don't Bowl Short]

hope if the comps merge we dont use NMCA finals format : a grade teams get a double chance , every other grade is like the dvca finals . Is it that hard to choose 1 format for finals.

I don't mind the set-up. Teams in the top grades fighting for promotion could miss out on 1 shocker of a performance/bad weather. It also allows for the clubs in the first XI finals to get all their supporters together as the lower grade finals finish the week before.

 

[Bubble Wrap]

http://dvca.cricketvictoria.com.au/...iewListing;plugin_data_id=107626;site_id=1488

NCL update 16 March
16/03/2011

Executive and competition representative members met on Wednesday 16 March and planning for the NCL is continuing.
The Junior and the Senior steering committees each met and discussed a wide range of issues and will meet again by end of March to report back with a summary to Executive in mid April....

Shortly you will be referred to the NCL website for any further information.

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The initial discussion group was:
DVCA: Mark Maxwell (President); Michael Atkins (General Manager); Marlwood Ryder (Junior Development Manager)
NMCA: Gabe Sorrentino (President); Bill Anderson (General Manager); Michael Harold (Junior Development Manager)
HDCA: Dean Turner (President); Phil Barnes (General Manager); Geoff Place (Junior Development Manager)

The representatives for steering committees are:
DVCA:
Seniors (Mark Flack, Graeme Cullen, Neal Bowden, Peter McLaughlin) + Mark Maxwell, Michael Atkins
Juniors (Brian Smith, Fran Hurst) + Marlwood Ryder
NMCA:
Seniors (Robert Young, Alex Jesensek, Lenore Smith) + Gabe Sorrentini
Juniors (Greg Harman, Danny Jordan) + Michael Harold
HDCA:
Seniors (tba) + Dean Turner
Juniors (Daniel Barnes, Andrew Marks) + Geoff Place

*********************************************************************************
"Planning for the NCL is continuing"? And they are already setting up a NCL website?

Last I heard the clubs would ultimately decide if this proceeded, but the language from the DVCA comes off sounding like it is a formality? Is there going to be a vote? I fear the whole "consultation" process will be a sham (like the AFL and the new sub rule) where the DVCA pretend to be consultative, but only have one outcome in mind.

From anyone I speak to, if the DVCA clubs were to vote, this thing would get snuffed out pretty quick. Does anyone know more about it, such as when (if) we might get to vote?

 

[E.A.H.S]

Can tell you that there won't be any real or binding vote as it is not necessary. This is proceeding and the consultation is about structure and meeting the needs of the respective clubs and organisations, not about whether it goes forward.

 

[Bubble Wrap]

Can tell you that there won't be any real or binding vote as it is not necessary. This is proceeding and the consultation is about structure and meeting the needs of the respective clubs and organisations, not about whether it goes forward.

On what basis is a vote not necessary?

I've just had a read of:

- The DVCA constitution (as it appears in the rule book anyway, not sure if this is the entire document or just an extract of key sections); and
- The Associations Incorporations Act.

A special resolution of the DVCA requires 75% of the votes to be carried. The only thing that is not clear is what decisions would require a "special resolution", although if deciding to merge with two other Associations is not considered a "special resolution" then I don't know what is.

I refuse to believe we have to have a vote to decide on 2 piece or 4 piece balls, but then can make such an important decision on the basis of a few administrators personal preferences, without a formal vote.

 

[five80]

I would like to call for nominations for a steering committee to look into the the possible future direction of creating an Eltham District Cricket Association. We're looking for an even number of clubs preferably 12. It would also helpful if your team was based in the Eltham, Montmorency, Lower Plenty, Plenty, Greensborough, Diamond Creek, Bundoora area. If you are interested in driving this concept, please put your name forward.

 

[brutal]

Just from talkiing to people around traps, have not found one person who thinks the meger idea has any benefit for the DVCA and therefore don`t support it. It is my belief that perhaps the DVCA could or should be a bit proactive here and begin talks with the likes of Banyule, Heidelberg and Rosanna about joining the DVCA instead of considering the NCL. Thoughts?

 

[Bundoora]

On what basis is a vote not necessary?

I've just had a read of:

- The DVCA constitution (as it appears in the rule book anyway, not sure if this is the entire document or just an extract of key sections); and
- The Associations Incorporations Act.

A special resolution of the DVCA requires 75% of the votes to be carried. The only thing that is not clear is what decisions would require a "special resolution", although if deciding to merge with two other Associations is not considered a "special resolution" then I don't know what is.

I refuse to believe we have to have a vote to decide on 2 piece or 4 piece balls, but then can make such an important decision on the basis of a few administrators personal preferences, without a formal vote.

I stand to be corrected, but i'm of the belief that the NCL will be created as a new competition and clubs will be invited/asked/able to nominate sides to join the leauge. Hence there is no need for a vote because it's up to individual clubs wether or or not they wish to nominate a side/s.

I'm sure all clubs will be advised of the details in due course and then they can make an informed decision on whats best for there club. I have no opinion way or the other, i'll wait and see what the commitee come up with but having been to many delegates meetings, change is not something the DVCA clubs readily accept.....

As for five80's proposal above, it's probably not out of the question that 14 clubs may join the NCL which will leave only 12 for a smaller version of the DVCA.........

 

[E.A.H.S]

Bundoora is correct, as it is a new competition and not an official merger between the three competitions no vote is necessary. Clubs will be invited to join the NCL.

In regards to opposition I imagine a lot of the bigger clubs would relish the opportunity to play cricket at the highest level possible. I think people are getting wrapped up believing it will be more travel for everybody. This is not true, it will be more travel for the top 15-20 sides across the competition. The lower grades will stay local.

 

[100% BULL]

I would like to call for nominations for a steering committee to look into the the possible future direction of creating an Eltham District Cricket Association. We're looking for an even number of clubs preferably 12. It would also helpful if your team was based in the Eltham, Montmorency, Lower Plenty, Plenty, Greensborough, Diamond Creek, Bundoora area. If you are interested in driving this concept, please put your name forward.

Probably a bit early for that five80, but I agree with your sentiment. I confident that the DVCA process will yield the right result, however if I only ever had to cross Plenty Rd in the future to go to the bank I'd be happy. LOL

 

[Bubble Wrap]

Bundoora is correct, as it is a new competition and not an official merger between the three competitions no vote is necessary. Clubs will be invited to join the NCL.

In regards to opposition I imagine a lot of the bigger clubs would relish the opportunity to play cricket at the highest level possible. I think people are getting wrapped up believing it will be more travel for everybody. This is not true, it will be more travel for the top 15-20 sides across the competition. The lower grades will stay local.

That opportunity exists already - it's called Premier Cricket, and any players looking for that challenge will generally be encouraged by their clubs to have a crack at it.

Most blokes play local cricket to challenge themselves against local clubs and other local cricketers that they have grown up playing in their local area.

I somehow doubt Plenty's premiership celebrations will be muted by a nagging empty feeling in their stomach that it's not quite the achievement it could have been because they didn't get to take on the Druids, Baseballers and Chargers. It will mean the world to them because growing up playing cricket in the Valley, there's nothing blokes want to do more than win an A grade flag, or indeed any flag.

The DVCA is fine the way it is. If HDCA or JIKA are having issues, that's their problem. I (and probably most of the DV) couldn't care less.

 

[Ex-Prez]

Here's a thought,

Scrap the inter comp matches (who really cares anyway)
Play the DVCA, HDCA, NMCA grand finals as is.
Then Premiers to play off against each other to determine the best of the best.

Need extra weeks to do this - make a 2 day fixture (r11) a one dayer - to shorten the current season slightly. (or some sat/sun fixtures)
Make the current 3 day GF - played over two days - as is every other match during the year.
This frees up 2-3 weekends at the end of March to play the inter comp premiership.

Might even then get a decent crowd to come and watch the "Northern" premiership rather than a silly inter comp in February.

 

[Bubble Wrap]

Here's a thought,

Scrap the inter comp matches (who really cares anyway)
Play the DVCA, HDCA, NMCA grand finals as is.
Then Premiers to play off against each other to determine the best of the best.

Need extra weeks to do this - make a 2 day fixture (r11) a one dayer - to shorten the current season slightly. (or some sat/sun fixtures)
Make the current 3 day GF - played over two days - as is every other match during the year.
This frees up 2-3 weekends at the end of March to play the inter comp premiership.

Might even then get a decent crowd to come and watch the "Northern" premiership rather than a silly inter comp in February.

Better than the NCL idea, but even then, does anyone really care?

I doubt Plenty feel the need to beat a team from JIKA or the HDCA to feel a greater sense of achievement or somehow validate their flag. I'd be suprised if whoever wins the JIKA or HDCA flag would feel that way either.

The whole inter-comp thing is a ******** anyway. I've read the criteria they send out each year for clubs wanting to apply to host the matches - 75% of it relates to what catering and drinks you will supply the respective executive members from each comp! The cricket is almost an afterthought. When was the last time the DVCA put anything approximating their best XI on the park? No one cares, hence the games attracting crowds you could count on one hand.