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timmyj51
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
If the ICC had any vision and leadership they'd stage a couple of these
matches in Yankland. But expecting the ICC to show vision and
leadership is like expecting a baboon to wipe itself after taking a crap.
If the ICC had any vision and leadership they'd stage a couple of these
matches in Yankland. But expecting the ICC to show vision and
leadership is like expecting a baboon to wipe itself after taking a crap.
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bermycricket
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
first the icc could have any proper match in yankland cause the yanks don't have any proper ground for international cricket
first the icc could have any proper match in yankland cause the yanks don't have any proper ground for international cricket
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timmyj51
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
"What is the point of staging a major ICC tournament in a country that doesn't have a proper understanding of cricket?"
Did anyone in Europe have a "proper understanding" of American football
at the time the NFL decided to hold games there? Now 50,000+ show up for these games.
"What is the point of staging a major ICC tournament in a country that doesn't have a proper understanding of cricket?"
Did anyone in Europe have a "proper understanding" of American football
at the time the NFL decided to hold games there? Now 50,000+ show up for these games.
Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
We're not talking about NFL, we're talking about cricket.
You can't expect the ICC to host a major cricket tournament in the USA. What you fail to realise is that the USA does not have the knowledge, infrastructure, interest or facilities to host a world class cricket tournament. So far, the ICC has put limited time into cricket in the USA, hosting a few matches here and there as well as a few exhibition games.
The ICC would never host a tournament such as the Twenty20 World Championships in the USA. The result would be a disaster for cricket in gereral and the ICC.
You can argue about how the ICC ignores cricket in the USA all you like but expecting the ICC to grant USA the rights to such a tournament as big as this is downright ridiculous. You can't really blame them, the USACA needs to get its act together.
timmyj51;116935 said:
We're not talking about NFL, we're talking about cricket.
You can't expect the ICC to host a major cricket tournament in the USA. What you fail to realise is that the USA does not have the knowledge, infrastructure, interest or facilities to host a world class cricket tournament. So far, the ICC has put limited time into cricket in the USA, hosting a few matches here and there as well as a few exhibition games.
The ICC would never host a tournament such as the Twenty20 World Championships in the USA. The result would be a disaster for cricket in gereral and the ICC.
You can argue about how the ICC ignores cricket in the USA all you like but expecting the ICC to grant USA the rights to such a tournament as big as this is downright ridiculous. You can't really blame them, the USACA needs to get its act together.
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timmyj51
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
Nobody said anything about an ENTIRE tournament. I said "one or
two matches." The ICC has a multi-million dollar development budget and it doesn't have the time, money, or resources
for that?
Nobody said anything about an ENTIRE tournament. I said "one or
two matches." The ICC has a multi-million dollar development budget and it doesn't have the time, money, or resources
for that?
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timmyj51
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
"the USA does not have the knowledge..."
Baseball: guy throws ball, guy hits ball, guy catches ball.
Cricket: guy throws ball, guy hits ball, guy catches ball.
Is this rocket science?
"or facilities..."
Lay down a portable pitch on a major league baseball
ground and, voila, first class cricket ground as good as
any in the world.
"the ICC has put limited time into cricket in the USA, hosting a few matches here and there as well as a few exhibition games."
The ICC has NEVER, NEVER, hosted an ODI anywhere in North America!
"You can't really blame them, the USACA needs to get its act together."
True, but then the ICC can keep pouring money into
the likes of China, Nepal, and Uganda, places
with stone age sports infrastructures, OR they can put some
into Yankland with the greatest sports infrastructure in
the world. Where do you think the SMART money would
go?
"the USA does not have the knowledge..."
Baseball: guy throws ball, guy hits ball, guy catches ball.
Cricket: guy throws ball, guy hits ball, guy catches ball.
Is this rocket science?
"or facilities..."
Lay down a portable pitch on a major league baseball
ground and, voila, first class cricket ground as good as
any in the world.
"the ICC has put limited time into cricket in the USA, hosting a few matches here and there as well as a few exhibition games."
The ICC has NEVER, NEVER, hosted an ODI anywhere in North America!
"You can't really blame them, the USACA needs to get its act together."
True, but then the ICC can keep pouring money into
the likes of China, Nepal, and Uganda, places
with stone age sports infrastructures, OR they can put some
into Yankland with the greatest sports infrastructure in
the world. Where do you think the SMART money would
go?
Zebedee
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
Now you are just being silly.
You can hardly hold "bits" of a 20/Twenty in one country and other "bits" in another. And even if you might, The US is not the place to start that level of fine tuned experimentation.
timmyj51;116942 said:
Now you are just being silly.
You can hardly hold "bits" of a 20/Twenty in one country and other "bits" in another. And even if you might, The US is not the place to start that level of fine tuned experimentation.
Zebedee
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
It looks like it, but it's not that simple.
Cricket might not be your thing.
Baseball diamonds, baseball parks and baseball stadiums are just not the same. Not in any way, shape or form. It's lazy or ignorant to suggest so. Nor do cricket pitches work that way. Something you should realise.
Like I said: cricket might not be your thing.
I don't know where you get your facts: The first ICC Americas Championship was held in 2000 in CANADA. And ODIs in North America, including the USA, have been hosted on that continent as far back as the late 19th century. Even earlier still was the FIRST EVER international cricket tour to Canada in 1859. And every decade in between, and in the years since, has seen some form of international cricket played on that continent (INCLUDING the USA), several times over.
Have you never heard of "soft power"? Do you know anything of cricket in those countries you mention? And China is hardly stone age in it's sporting facilities. To suggest so is a bit of an insult to the average Chinese. The US might have great infrastructure, but is it suited to cricket? Not really. You only put money in the US when you have given up and all you want to do is make more money. You can do that with any other sport you care to name and where there is an interest amongst US sports fans and consumers.
The "smart" money goes where new market openings are. Not old crowded markets.
I see your point about tapping the "yankee dollar", but it's an argument that's been had and lost over and over. The 1994 Football (soccer) WorldCup Finals is the best example of how this doesn't work.
timmyj51;116957 said:
It looks like it, but it's not that simple.
Cricket might not be your thing.
Baseball diamonds, baseball parks and baseball stadiums are just not the same. Not in any way, shape or form. It's lazy or ignorant to suggest so. Nor do cricket pitches work that way. Something you should realise.
Like I said: cricket might not be your thing.
I don't know where you get your facts: The first ICC Americas Championship was held in 2000 in CANADA. And ODIs in North America, including the USA, have been hosted on that continent as far back as the late 19th century. Even earlier still was the FIRST EVER international cricket tour to Canada in 1859. And every decade in between, and in the years since, has seen some form of international cricket played on that continent (INCLUDING the USA), several times over.
Have you never heard of "soft power"? Do you know anything of cricket in those countries you mention? And China is hardly stone age in it's sporting facilities. To suggest so is a bit of an insult to the average Chinese. The US might have great infrastructure, but is it suited to cricket? Not really. You only put money in the US when you have given up and all you want to do is make more money. You can do that with any other sport you care to name and where there is an interest amongst US sports fans and consumers.
The "smart" money goes where new market openings are. Not old crowded markets.
I see your point about tapping the "yankee dollar", but it's an argument that's been had and lost over and over. The 1994 Football (soccer) WorldCup Finals is the best example of how this doesn't work.
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Stamislav
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
I assume you mean ODIs between Full Members, in which case Canada's ODIs against the likes of Bermuda wouldn't count. (To be fair, the USA-Canada matches from the 1850s shouldn't count, either, because neither the ICC in its present form nor ODIs existed back then.)
Toronto, Canada hosted ODIs between India, Pakistan, and West Indies for four years, between 1996 and 1999. Here is a link to a story about international venues found outside of the Test-playing nations: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/248102.html
timmyj51;116957 said:
I assume you mean ODIs between Full Members, in which case Canada's ODIs against the likes of Bermuda wouldn't count. (To be fair, the USA-Canada matches from the 1850s shouldn't count, either, because neither the ICC in its present form nor ODIs existed back then.)
Toronto, Canada hosted ODIs between India, Pakistan, and West Indies for four years, between 1996 and 1999. Here is a link to a story about international venues found outside of the Test-playing nations: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/248102.html
Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
Not as simple as that. While cricket and basball have similar concepts, both game are very different.
And the ball is bowled, not thrown.
Nope. Not as simple as that. Baseball grounds aren't suited to cricket. The diamond as well as mounds and seating arrangements would make this quite difficult to achieve.
Yes, they have.
China has a booming economy and will have one of the biggest in the years to come. I can't explain Nepal or Uganda. I am guessing because those countries have a greater interest in cricket than compared with the USA.
timmyj51;116957 said:
Not as simple as that. While cricket and basball have similar concepts, both game are very different.
And the ball is bowled, not thrown.
timmyj51 said:
Nope. Not as simple as that. Baseball grounds aren't suited to cricket. The diamond as well as mounds and seating arrangements would make this quite difficult to achieve.
timmyj51 said:
Yes, they have.
timmyj51 said:
China has a booming economy and will have one of the biggest in the years to come. I can't explain Nepal or Uganda. I am guessing because those countries have a greater interest in cricket than compared with the USA.
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timmyj51
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
"Not as simple as that. While cricket and basball have similar concepts, both game are very different."
No they're not! This is exactly the type of stereotype that's standing in the way
of any cricket progress in the USA.
"Baseball grounds aren't suited to cricket."
Obviously you know nothing about major league baseball grounds. Back in
1989 they staged a first class cricket match in the Toronto Sky Dome
and it worked perfectly well. Stereotype #2.
"China has a booming economy and will have one of the biggest in the years to come. I can't explain Nepal or Uganda."
Yeah, the ICC can keep pouring money into the Chinese economy.
OR, they could get just 1/10 of 1% of Yanks interested in cricket and
give cricket a boost its never seen before.
"Not as simple as that. While cricket and basball have similar concepts, both game are very different."
No they're not! This is exactly the type of stereotype that's standing in the way
of any cricket progress in the USA.
"Baseball grounds aren't suited to cricket."
Obviously you know nothing about major league baseball grounds. Back in
1989 they staged a first class cricket match in the Toronto Sky Dome
and it worked perfectly well. Stereotype #2.
"China has a booming economy and will have one of the biggest in the years to come. I can't explain Nepal or Uganda."
Yeah, the ICC can keep pouring money into the Chinese economy.
OR, they could get just 1/10 of 1% of Yanks interested in cricket and
give cricket a boost its never seen before.
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timmyj51
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
"I don't know where you get your facts: The first ICC Americas Championship was held in 2000 in CANADA...And every decade in between, and in the years since, has seen some form of international cricket played on that continent (INCLUDING the USA), several times over."
Obviously you, like everyone else in the cricket world, haven't got a clue about
what's going on in Yankland. We're talking about ODI's, One Day INTERNATIONALS, among first-class teams. NOT Canada, Bermuda,
Cayman Islands or Argentina. To repeat: the ICC has NEVER held, under
its sponsorship, a full ODI in North America.
"I don't know where you get your facts: The first ICC Americas Championship was held in 2000 in CANADA...And every decade in between, and in the years since, has seen some form of international cricket played on that continent (INCLUDING the USA), several times over."
Obviously you, like everyone else in the cricket world, haven't got a clue about
what's going on in Yankland. We're talking about ODI's, One Day INTERNATIONALS, among first-class teams. NOT Canada, Bermuda,
Cayman Islands or Argentina. To repeat: the ICC has NEVER held, under
its sponsorship, a full ODI in North America.
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cleazer
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
Here's is the link to the Official ICC ODI Scorecard
As you can clearly see, this (just one of many matches) was between Pakistan and India. Look at the names: Inzi, Ganguly, Afridi, etc. This was a full ODI, played with the top players from Pakistan and India.
As for why the ICC would be interested in supporting Nepal, the answer is simple: the sport is actually POPULAR in Nepal. Fans come out to watch matches. By the thousands. Nepal is a country where cricket can thrive. The ICC would be foolish not to support it there.
As for the idea of splitting up the Twenty20 World Championship into separate continents, that's just plain silly.
How many times do you need to be corrected on this?timmyj51;117190 said:
Here's is the link to the Official ICC ODI Scorecard
As you can clearly see, this (just one of many matches) was between Pakistan and India. Look at the names: Inzi, Ganguly, Afridi, etc. This was a full ODI, played with the top players from Pakistan and India.
Please try to stay away from any racist remarks.
As for why the ICC would be interested in supporting Nepal, the answer is simple: the sport is actually POPULAR in Nepal. Fans come out to watch matches. By the thousands. Nepal is a country where cricket can thrive. The ICC would be foolish not to support it there.
As for the idea of splitting up the Twenty20 World Championship into separate continents, that's just plain silly.
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Umm, yes they are. Last time I checked, cricket was played between 11 players, is played on an oval or circular ground where each team bats two innings not nine and the ball is bowled not thrown. They are different games.
That's a promising sign then. I don't really know that baseball grounds could host cricket games but if this is true then perhaps some games could be hosted at major league grounds.
You must remember though that these other countries have a greater interest in cricket than those in the USA. So these countries are going to get priority from the ICC.
And I know you're going to say that the ICC isn't trying to get cricket into America but what I've said above is the truth in the whole matter. The Americans just aren't interested in cricket at the moment. If the USACA can get its act together and show the ICC that it is united and willing to increase cricket interest in the country than the ICC might look at bringing cricket into the USA more seriously.
timmyj51;117189 said:
Umm, yes they are. Last time I checked, cricket was played between 11 players, is played on an oval or circular ground where each team bats two innings not nine and the ball is bowled not thrown. They are different games.
timmyj51 said:
That's a promising sign then. I don't really know that baseball grounds could host cricket games but if this is true then perhaps some games could be hosted at major league grounds.
timmyj51 said:
You must remember though that these other countries have a greater interest in cricket than those in the USA. So these countries are going to get priority from the ICC.
And I know you're going to say that the ICC isn't trying to get cricket into America but what I've said above is the truth in the whole matter. The Americans just aren't interested in cricket at the moment. If the USACA can get its act together and show the ICC that it is united and willing to increase cricket interest in the country than the ICC might look at bringing cricket into the USA more seriously.
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timmyj51
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
"As you can clearly see, this (just one of many matches) was between Pakistan and India. Look at the names: Inzi, Ganguly, Afridi, etc. This was a full ODI, played with the top players from Pakistan and India."
The ICC RECOGNIZED the Sahara Cup ODIs. It DID NOT sponsor them!
They were put together by a TV network, the BCCI and the WICB. ICC
did not choose or invite the teams. Did not negotiate TV or sponsorship.
Did not receive, determine, or distribute any money. You stand
corrected.
"As you can clearly see, this (just one of many matches) was between Pakistan and India. Look at the names: Inzi, Ganguly, Afridi, etc. This was a full ODI, played with the top players from Pakistan and India."
The ICC RECOGNIZED the Sahara Cup ODIs. It DID NOT sponsor them!
They were put together by a TV network, the BCCI and the WICB. ICC
did not choose or invite the teams. Did not negotiate TV or sponsorship.
Did not receive, determine, or distribute any money. You stand
corrected.
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Wilbix
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
The reason it was possible to hold a match in the SkyDome (now called the Rogers Centre) is that it is not purely a baseball stadium. The lower level of seats actually slides along a track allowing for other events (primarily Canadian football) to take place. Due to the shape of a baseball field (tapering towards one end), it would be impossible to have a boundary of adequate size for an international match. So in order to be compatible for cricket a baseball stadium must have flexible seating arrangements. They may have better luck trying in football stadiums. That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing the India-Pakistan legends match at Rogers Centre in the spring, just to see how they orient the field.
timmyj51;117189 said:
The reason it was possible to hold a match in the SkyDome (now called the Rogers Centre) is that it is not purely a baseball stadium. The lower level of seats actually slides along a track allowing for other events (primarily Canadian football) to take place. Due to the shape of a baseball field (tapering towards one end), it would be impossible to have a boundary of adequate size for an international match. So in order to be compatible for cricket a baseball stadium must have flexible seating arrangements. They may have better luck trying in football stadiums. That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing the India-Pakistan legends match at Rogers Centre in the spring, just to see how they orient the field.
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cleazer
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Re: Venues announced for Twenty20 World Championship
And then you complain about the lack of ODI's, completely ignoring the fact that India and West Indies WANTED to play ODI's here this year, but they couldn't, due to lack of proper facilities. Here's the ICC's positive response to that proposed series:
ICC approve of West Indies, India deal
Here's the articles explaining that the only reason they didn't play here is lack of facilities:
US grounds not ready for India-Windies ODIs
Asian market may not interest West Indies
And to follow those up, here's an article explaining that India and Pakistan want to play in North America again:
India and Pakistan could play in North America
So we know that West Indies, India, and Pakistan all WANT to play in North America again.
Now here's the recent article about that new deal the USACA signed with that Centrex company:
ODI cricket set to hit the States
Everybody focused of course on "who is Centrex" and "will this really work", and glanced over these two items:
1) Our Cricket Management Information System will allow every club - at no cost to them - to manage their players, tournaments, communications, skills and training, and e-commerce programs.
and
2) Our player development programs will allow USACA and coaches to track top players and emerging players throughout the country and ensure a professional and inclusive approach to identifying and nurturing the best talent
This really sounds like an attempt to improve the overall quality of cricket played in the US. If every individual cricket club is going to get some free support, that will be a major boost for all cricket players in this country, and it will surely enable some clubs to grow. And on point 2, this really sounds like the USACA will now work towards selecting the best team possible, which certainly wasn't always the case in the past.
The signs are there. If you add them all up together, you'll see an effort to grow cricket in this country. Some of the profit from international ODI's will be turned arund and invested back into the cricket base, and the US will make an effort to field a strongest possible team. What more could you ask for?
Now if only they could finish off that cricket stadium down in Broward county.
So what's the problem? Why don't you just send your address to the ICC and tell them to send a check made out directly to you. That sounds like just about the only thing that would make you happy. You sound like you want people to just magically snap their fingers and make cricket a major sport in the US. That just isn't going to happen.timmyj51;117426 said:
And then you complain about the lack of ODI's, completely ignoring the fact that India and West Indies WANTED to play ODI's here this year, but they couldn't, due to lack of proper facilities. Here's the ICC's positive response to that proposed series:
ICC approve of West Indies, India deal
Here's the articles explaining that the only reason they didn't play here is lack of facilities:
US grounds not ready for India-Windies ODIs
Asian market may not interest West Indies
And to follow those up, here's an article explaining that India and Pakistan want to play in North America again:
India and Pakistan could play in North America
So we know that West Indies, India, and Pakistan all WANT to play in North America again.
Now here's the recent article about that new deal the USACA signed with that Centrex company:
ODI cricket set to hit the States
Everybody focused of course on "who is Centrex" and "will this really work", and glanced over these two items:
1) Our Cricket Management Information System will allow every club - at no cost to them - to manage their players, tournaments, communications, skills and training, and e-commerce programs.
and
2) Our player development programs will allow USACA and coaches to track top players and emerging players throughout the country and ensure a professional and inclusive approach to identifying and nurturing the best talent
This really sounds like an attempt to improve the overall quality of cricket played in the US. If every individual cricket club is going to get some free support, that will be a major boost for all cricket players in this country, and it will surely enable some clubs to grow. And on point 2, this really sounds like the USACA will now work towards selecting the best team possible, which certainly wasn't always the case in the past.
The signs are there. If you add them all up together, you'll see an effort to grow cricket in this country. Some of the profit from international ODI's will be turned arund and invested back into the cricket base, and the US will make an effort to field a strongest possible team. What more could you ask for?
Now if only they could finish off that cricket stadium down in Broward county.
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timmyj51
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"Due to the shape of a baseball field (tapering towards one end), it would be impossible to have a boundary of adequate size for an international match."
Who the hell says you have to have a perfect ground. These'd be
EXHIBITION matches, designed to educate, attract, and enthuse Americans
about cricket. As any marketer will tell you, when you're trying to
get people interested in something new you should have them experience it
in a familiar environment. And what could be more familiar than a baseball
stadium. Really getting tired of you cricket rubes with all your "proper"
this and "proper" that. Just can't see the bigger picture: everything has to be
subordinate to making cricket exciting for Americans.
"Due to the shape of a baseball field (tapering towards one end), it would be impossible to have a boundary of adequate size for an international match."
Who the hell says you have to have a perfect ground. These'd be
EXHIBITION matches, designed to educate, attract, and enthuse Americans
about cricket. As any marketer will tell you, when you're trying to
get people interested in something new you should have them experience it
in a familiar environment. And what could be more familiar than a baseball
stadium. Really getting tired of you cricket rubes with all your "proper"
this and "proper" that. Just can't see the bigger picture: everything has to be
subordinate to making cricket exciting for Americans.