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Discussion in 'VTCA' started by Scratch, Jul 9, 2014.

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  1. Scratch

    Scratch Active Member

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    Any big moves apart from Jeremy Brown out of Greenvale
     
  2. FASTFARNEE

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    Grenville has signed with Beauy. Has stayed in the VTAC.
     
  3. NorthClubsDontPayPlayers

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    Strathmore have picked up Dean Peter Budge (ex Carlton) and John Patton and Dan Slevison from Essendon. If they retain Sanders, they'll be a huge smoky for the season
     
  4. Scratch

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    Does that mean they will have him and Beshara at the one club, god help them
     
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  5. BigMerv

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    Where has Darrell Brown moved to this year??
     
  6. warrior

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    This was posted in Progress Leader newspaper july 8th
    FORMER West Indian cricketer Darrel Brown has arrived at St Barnabas Cricket Club with a wealth of experience and a winning mentality.
    The 40-year-old all-rounder, who played first class cricket for Trinidad and one-day cricket for the West Indies, has joined the Eastern Cricket Association club as captain-coach after stints at Victorian Turf Cricket Association clubs Hoppers Crossing, Airport West and Keilor.
     
  7. Round the grounds

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    Sledge you may have been granted your wish, no more Hatch comp from 16/17, but only because VTCA and Subbies will both be gone. Is this actually going to happen? Who will be the Top 10 in the region? From Subbies, Bayside's best are Caulfield and Oakleigh, next come Ormond, Elsternwick and Brighton. That leaves Kingston Saints, Moorabbin, and Mt Waverley on the fringe. South Caulfield are a lock, who comes next? And how will they be measured against other VTCA clubs? And who are the standout VTCA clubs within Monash, Port Phillip, Kingston, and Bayside Councils?
     
  8. DStrek15

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    The concept cricket Victoria has come up with is exactly what community turf cricket needs. Yep some old rivals won't meet anymore and it will be difficult to find everyone's level to start with but that will sort its self out with the promotion and relegation system. Sub District have a great competition but sitting in their little bubble not giving a rats arse about anyone else is hurting cricket both above and below them. Hopefully this proposal gets the green light, in the long run all the five top divisions would provide excellent cricket for each clubs elite while still keeping it local for the social player.
     
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  9. Round the grounds

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    Yep, I see you are in favour. The decision as to whether it gets the green light is well beyond my control so I am not going to dwell on it. But to my point, does VTCA see top division being a "top 5 from each" split? You say promotion relegation will sort it out but sometimes a top division is harder to get out of than to get into and I think the fringe clubs will be nervous. If you were making a top 5 VTCA clubs in the region right now, who would they be?
     
  10. DStrek15

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    Good point you do sometimes have teams get stuck in that spot just above relegation but if they go with 10 team divs then wouldn't happen to much..
    I can see Cricket Victoria handing Subbies the spots in the top divisions to keep them happy and the VTCA get the other 2 or 3 spots which is probably fairenough. I dont think Cricket Victoria would see this as a deal as the cream will rise either way and they have a long term view on it.
    As for the top 5 VTCA bayside clubs right now Beaumaris, Bentleigh, McKinnon, South Caulfield have all had extended stays in the last 10 years in senior div so they make up four. The fifth would be between Hampton and Brighton Districts.
    No doubt a lot will change but the fact its all being talked about can only be a good thing..
     
  11. Scratch

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    I think the whole concept is for the better of cricket in the suburbs. Some Subbies clubs might go out of business with no handouts which were never deserved. I don't think Brighton Districts facilities are up to standard and that's not their fault. The 4 others you mentioned are walk up starts and I think South Caulfield are the only team ever to be not relegated out of Senior Div.
    The SECA would hate this to come to fruition as it will attract some of their better players as they wont have to travel.
     
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  12. redefine

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    dont forget the DDCA clubs as well Mordialloc have been in the top division for years in that comp and Parkdale have recruited really well. I have played at both kingston and parkdale and no offense to kingston but i dont think they would get close and mordialloc is a division above parkdale... be interesting to see what comes of it all.
     
  13. DStrek15

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    I guess it will all depend on who goes into what zone. Clubs on the edge of two zones should probably get a one off choice to do whatever suits their club.
     
  14. DalesHack

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    I'm convinced the current proposal will be ignored and if it proceeds to a vote- voted down.
    The DDCA, VSDCA and ECA all run well administered competitions.
    For any real change to be even considered, Cricket Victoria would need to open promotion/relegation avenues from Premier Grade down through the proposed Regions.
    Why would the Premier clubs with their current 1 vote per club under the CV delegate sysem choose to open themselves up to relegation?
    Why would the VSDCA member clubs vote their association out of existence.
    Why would the DDCA, who run a similarly well-structured and administered competition give up their administrative functions and input to a Cricket Victoria led region?
    The only benefit to Turf Cricket and competition in Metropolitan cricket would occur where each individual club has the same respective opportunities and voting rights. No club or association is going to vote against their own self-interest, without the opportunity for growth and a better grade.
     
  15. DStrek15

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    All very good points and no doubt Cricket Victoria have work to do.
    Premier Cricket isn't on the bargaining table I know that for sure, the clubs are or have been moved around Mebourne cover as much area as possible and adding a promotion/relegation system would throw that out. Not to mention the 4 or 5 wicket tables common at most local clubs couldn't deal with the demands of Premier Cricket.
    The DDCA and ECA run excellent competitions but just sitting there patting themselves on the back isn't helping cricket as a whole and that's why CV have stepped in. I get the feeling that CV will negotiate nicely for a while yet before they go at it AFL style and find ways to do it their way anway. The VSDCA are already experiencing this with the cutting of their funding..
    Vote or No Vote, 2 years or 5 it'll happen.
     
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  16. DalesHack

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    I think the very reason it won't have association/club support is that Cricket Victoria has stated that Premier Clubs are exclusively protected under this proposed restructure.
    If you are to restructure metropolitan Turf cricket under regions, then this offers the ideal opportunity to supply an Apex model where the the best run clubs have the opportunity to rise to the top.
    Turf infrastructure as it exists affords an opportunity for improvement via a dividend for capital works- not an impediment.
    Where arguably Premier Grade cricketers are drawn away from the Premier clubs through an increasingly competitive cash marketplace in the metro associations, Cricket Victoria can open the field and create a semi-professional environment for sub-elite players.
    This may not sit well with some but the reality is, it is happening and this leads to a diminished Premier competition.
    Having elite Premier Clubs protected, does nothing to promote excellence in administration and on-field endeavour.
     
  17. Crickileaks

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    so you are happy for a club to win their way into premier cricket, dispite not having enough players for 4 sides?
    cricket victoria are there to run cricket. they will decide whats best for cricket. the associations will always decide whats in their best interest.
     
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  18. DalesHack

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    Can you provide more background to this question?

    I understand there's a discussion surrounding the role of 3rd & 4th XI Premier Competition in the restructure debate. Not something I had raised above though.
     
  19. DStrek15

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    Your correct, the scrapping of 3rd and 4th XI premier cricket is on the cards. It is suggested that each club would have to field an under 21 and female XI instead.
    Even more reason that promotion /relegation into premier cricket wouldn't work
     
  20. DalesHack

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    That may prove difficult - Premier Club or not, there's 6 clubs competing in the VWCA Premier Firsts.
     
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