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  1. someblokecalleddave

    someblokecalleddave Well-Known Member

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    Nice video showing three of Kuldeep Yadav's wickets with his googly. I don't know why the batsmen are struggling to pick him so much but it may have something to do with the fact that he's a left arm leg spinner so they're not as used to the variations.
     
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    http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/20628966/evolving-nathan-lyon-clears-all-doubts

    Nice article on Lyon - particularly some of the quotes from Smith about how he is able to vary his bowling in different pitch conditions, using some of the basic spinners' variations, mixing topspin, sidespin and backspin, different grips, different arm angles and crease positions, variations in pace, variations in line, all to generate a wide variety of drift, dip, turn, bounce and skid.

    Absolutely nothing better in the world than watching a spin bowler at the height of his mastery - its not about macho bullshit like "big turn", its about having that ball on the string, keeping the batsman constantly guessing, never bowling the same ball twice.
     
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    Nathan Lyon still gets "big turns". When you get "big turns" it means you are giving more revs, which means any adjustment you make to the seam position and angle will result in exaggerated behaviour by the ball. If you can get big turns, you can spin the ball in any condition. Two of the best spinners in the history of cricketers are big spinners.
     
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    And two weren't - Underwood and Kumble - but still got incredible amounts of wickets.

    Most batsmen find that the more the ball turns, the easier it is to play, because lbw is no longer a threat. The perfect spinners delivery turns 6 inches.
     
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    Underwood and Kumble are hardly brought up in discussions when it is about "best spinners". Underewood played in an era where there wasn't any sweep shots or attacking cricker.Murali and Warne picked up most of their wickets by catches and they also at times didn't turn much and made lbw very possible. Kumble struggled outside India. Kumble had variety of subtle variations, an SLA or an Offie can't arm himself with variations of that sort, bigger turns at least allows him to decieve batsment using variois amounts of dip and drip. Big turners still have to work on their "mastery" like any spinners. I dont think small turners have a chance in modern day cricket, even Lyon is limited to just Test Matches.
     
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    That seems the opposite to the view of most professional commentators, who have pointed out how effective bowlers like Narine, Ashwin, Jadeja, Badree, Shakib, Santner etc are in T20 cricket, despite not really turning the ball a huge amount. Good control, good pace, and mastery of subtle variations are the key to effective modern day spin bowling.
     
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