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lol, way to miss the point.
Calling up a complete unknown into your test team is an admission of complete and humiliating failure and a desperate lack of confidence in your talent recognition and player development systems. THAT is why it doesn't happen in England, because a player of Lyon's obvious talent would have been identified decades earlier. Bigotry has nothing to do with it.
The upper echelons of ECB may be public school boy bigot extraordinaires, but don't attempt to paint the whole of English cricket with the same brush, we're light years ahead of Australia and New Zealand when it comes to progressive and inclusionist policies.
I completely back you when you rebut those stupid claims about English cricket but I'd really like to hear your views and experience of the New Zealand system.The upper echelons of ECB may be public school boy bigot extraordinaires, but don't attempt to paint the whole of English cricket with the same brush, we're light years ahead of Australia and New Zealand when it comes to progressive and inclusionist policies.
I completely back you when you rebut those stupid claims about English cricket but I'd really like to hear your views and experience of the New Zealand system.
lol, way to miss the point.
Has anyone seen Yasir Shah bowling against Australia in the test, he flicks the ball hand to hand weirdly, any benefit of flicking it like him?
ha ha, typical SLA response there.
It is fair enough to say I have missed the point, but you would then need to explain why I missed the point. You didn't do that at all.
My point was that the system of selection in English cricket (from grass roots up) is riddled with bigotry. You, at no point, attempted to disprove that. You simply stated that there is no bigotry, at least outside the upper echelons. In my experience, this is beyond naive and bordering on ignorant.
The reality is, it is you who missed the point entirely. You seem to assume that Lyon was a very talented bowler from an early age and the crappy useless system they have in Australia (and NZ, as you seem to think both countries do not warrant any distinction) is incapable of spotting all talent - unlike in England were no talent slips through the net. Yes, that's right, the nation of well over 50 million people that regularly gets outplayed by Australia - a nation of less than half that amount. Spot the anomaly there? Either Australia are genetically predisposed to a higher attainment of sporting capacity or maybe, just maybe, they are better at identifying talent? Think about it.
As for Lyon, is it not possible that this bowler did not attain a high level of skill until much later in life? This is a bloke who spent most of his days on a cricket field and using the facilities in his spare time. From what I've read about him, he wasn't a particulary good player as youngster but turned himself into a fine bowler in early adult life. The Australian system and Lyon were largely mutually exclusive. You analysis of his situation is a case study in missing the point.
Yes, that's right, the nation of well over 50 million people that regularly gets outplayed by Australia - a nation of less than half that amount. Spot the anomaly there?
Yeah, I'm involved in the selection system.
Are you?
One of us knows what we're talking about, one of us doesn't.
You're involved in the selection system? In what capacity? If you are talking about your cricket club then that is just a touch embarrassing to use that as a rebuke to the contention that English cricket is bigoted.
The system he is part of and dedicated a great part of his life to has been called bigoted by Cleanprophet with zero evidence other than England doesn't seem to produce as many outstanding cricketers as Australia. He naturally reacted angrily to this and had a counter-shot at Aus (and NZ for some reason).To be fair, a point blank disagreement without explanation does tend to raise eye brows, old chap, which you have done twice above. I have been a forum lurker for some time but only recently registered, reading your posts above (Amongst others), you come across very sharply at times, then when challenged respond with veiled profanity followed by the demands of an apology whilst stating the general nature of the forums. A touch rich.
"Giles Clarke says that Alastair Cook "and his family are very much the sort of people we want the England captain and his family to be".
How would you interpret that, in any other way in which has been suggested? After all, Mr. Clarke is effectively English cricket incarnate.
For which county do you say you are a selector for?
So frankly, you can go ******** yourself. Apologise now, or at your leisure. Either way, you've stepped way, way, over the line for what is usually a friendly and respectful forum.
So you're happy for any lazy statement or accusation to be made about something that you genuinely care about? I find that surprising.
So you're happy for any lazy statement or accusation to be made about something that you genuinely care about? I find that surprising.
Still, I appreciate the post you've made to explain your position.