Mr cricket1
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What grade are you talking about?yes, Coburg
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What grade are you talking about?yes, Coburg
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Haha Fair call. Although you can probably understand the frustration from everyone else in Melb at why subbies is being so stubborn. Especially when the subbies pres came out at the start of all this and said we will fight tooth and nail for any change before even seeing the alternative proposal??What is going on!!!!! All of a sudden we are being inundated by VTCA bloggers telling us what we should be doing with our competition.
Well thanks for all the gratuitous advice, boys, but I think we'll leave to OUR elected officials both, at club and association level to determine what's best for OUR competition. SO GIVE US A SPELL!!!!!
I know exactly what I am talking aboutYou have no clue!!!
Haha Fair call. Although you can probably understand the frustration from everyone else in Melb at why subbies is being so stubborn. Especially when the subbies pres came out at the start of all this and said we will fight tooth and nail for any change before even seeing the alternative proposal??
And I think you will find the "unanimous" vote of No isn't exactly 28 clubs to 0. My mail is that a few are willing to work directly with CV to sort out the issues. But yes, good luck to those clubs joining the renegade comp. It will be the 3rd best comp in melb behind the Two comps that will be run by CV.
I'll be more interested in what CV and their masters, the Premier Cricket Clubs, have got to say when they announce that under the "new Structure" entry to Premier Cricket will come by promotion and relegation.
They persist in carrying clubs that are truly basket cases, who have done and WON NOTHING. They let them into relocations, mergers and anything else to avoid making the obvious decision, THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!
In the last five years, Ringwood, Frankston and Dandenong, all ex Subbies clubs have played in grand finals and won Premierships, let look at the hoops Plenty Valley, Melton and Werribee hare currently being made to jump through, just for the chance of entry into Premier Cricket.
There is no doubt Hopper Hoppers Crossing could come into Subbies and be competitive quickly, yet all of our Associations are asked to pack up our histories and traditions, but the existing Premier Clubs are being asked to make no concessions.
I think we'll stay as we are until Cricket Victoria comes to us with a model that will reward strong clubs in growth corridors and EVERY CLUB can aspire to the top echelon of cricket in this state.
Interesting position. How can CV be taken seriously after the falling over of the merger? Why would you advertise for Expressions of Interest if the merger wasn't ratified and like concrete? And we are happy to hand the keys of our associations to these jokers? Cricket Victoria: too many bureaucrats being paid too much to continue to justify their jobs.
I'm not sure how many people have actually read this 'report', however, it has holes in it. The first is what sort of candidate for the CEO position will you get if they are only paying $100K which includes office space? Just remember, this person will do EVERYTHING that association volunteers now do. Sounds like a good job........
I'm not usre how cricket is broken. If it is why wouldn't hard wicket competitions also be a party to this restructure. Just doesn't make sense.
As to a previous post, HMU haven't spoken with us at this point. Personally, I wouldn't be jumping at any opportunity after what happened previously.
That's fine, make sure the merger is likely to go ahead though, it was obviously far from a done thing if HMU pulled out at this late stage.I assume they called for expressions of interests that early because they needed that much time to assess respective applications and give the successful club the notification it would require. That HMU have backflipped shouldn't necessarily be seen to be CVs fault. I found it a bit surprising, HMU aren't exactly negotiating from a position of strength! No facilities, mediocre on field performance, no money. Maybe they should merge with plenty valley lol
I'll put my cards on the table and say I'm a history nut, and I love cricket history.
But, I can't see how the history of a competition (and I'm talking life members, association honour boards and individual trophies, and even just the fact that they exist) is something…
· that individual clubs, much less players know about, or care about
· that would stand in the way of a restructure that would benefit ALL turf cricketers throughout the region
· that couldn’t be overcome at working group level anyway
All clubs would have to do this anyway if they have turf, hard wicket and juniors. The new model doesn't cater for hard wicket and junior cricket.Believe me, it wasn't easy for the Sunshine C A executive to face up to the fact the local comp had lost its relevance/identity on the carve-up of the former City of Sunshine (and not helped by the thuggish behaviour of one club in particular during the comp's latter years). It was a ''full-service'' comp. Now, former SCA clubs are faced with affiliating in 3 separate comps; one for their turf XI's (either Willy or VTCA), either Willy or another for their synthetics, and yet another for their juniors. We ''oldies'' know how more convenient it would be for clubs to have all their teams under the one structure, but as for the SCA's history, the current generation of players in former Sunshine C A clubs are unaware of it, hence, unconcerned. However, many of the people on the clubs' ctees were involved during their clubs' days in the SCA and would be well-disposed to a concept that, over time, may allow the resumption of a full-service model with of CV-paid admin. I should imagine VTCA people posting on this forum at present has generally been accepted due to recognition that if the VTCA was to wind up, the VSDCA would probably find itself isolated from the mainstream.
All clubs would have to do this anyway if they have turf, hard wicket and juniors. The new model doesn't cater for hard wicket and junior cricket.
Why would the VTCA, DDCA, WDCA and ECA not be in favour? The whole thing has been setup so that their competitions remain more or less as is. 5 new divisions that just coincidently marry up with WDCA (West), VTCA North (North), Eastern (East), VTCA South (South East) and DDCA (South). Because of pathways......rubbish. The only competitions copping it in the neck are the VSDCA and Mercantile, who are being used to prop up the others.
If you have been involved with the Mercantile you would know this proposal goes against the very reason they exist, and the VSDCA already has a well structured competition that meets most of the requirements of the proposal.
You're Caulfield, you've got a talented 16 year old legspinner and a young opening batsmen and you're there or thereabouts. You won't want them to head off to St Kilda next season, as you're in the hunt to promotion and losing them will weaken your side. Keeping them may not be what is best for their development.
Haha Fair call. Although you can probably understand the frustration from everyone else in Melb at why subbies is being so stubborn. Especially when the subbies pres came out at the start of all this and said we will fight tooth and nail for any change before even seeing the alternative proposal??
And I think you will find the "unanimous" vote of No isn't exactly 28 clubs to 0. My mail is that a few are willing to work directly with CV to sort out the issues. But yes, good luck to those clubs joining the renegade comp. It will be the 3rd best comp in melb behind the Two comps that will be run by CV.