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someblokecalleddave

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I did have a quick look to see if there was anything like this already around.

Run-outs.

This question relates to how these are recorded in the score book. As far as I'm aware if the batsman is run-out the bowler isn't credited, so how are run-outs recorded in the bowling analysis? Are they just recorded as a runs and dot balls?
 
Law 38 is probably one of the most misunderstood... whether intentionally or not so make sure you understand it, particularly with respect to runners (Law 2), the 2010 amendment (Law 29) and rebound (Appendix D).

Having said that, I always put an R of RO in superscript by the number of runs that count (Law 18) in the bowler's record. I also always credit the fielder for the run out... for statistical purposes!
 
Yeah it's a curious one, I've had a good look through Tom Smith's Cricket Umpiring and Scoring and it doesn't mention what to do with the bowling analysis. All I could definitively say is that to put a 'w' would be wrong. It's recommended by TMCUaS that you underline bowling entries where the batsmen crossed when the entry doesn't make this clear in itself, such as a short run or a catch held after crossing, so in the case of being run-out off a single (assuming they crossed) it would seem to be just an underlined dot ball.
 
I'm not sure of the necessity of a lot of this stuff. Why would you need to record whether the batsmen crossed?

Most scorers would improve greatly simply by noting down dots against the batsman. It amazes me how many scorers are too lazy to do this, it should be an absolute basic starting point.
 
SLA said:
I'm not sure of the necessity of a lot of this stuff. Why would you need to record whether the batsmen crossed?

Most scorers would improve greatly simply by noting down dots against the batsman. It amazes me how many scorers are too lazy to do this, it should be an absolute basic starting point.
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The reason you'd want to record whether they crossed or not is so you can read the full narrative in the scorebook. It comes in very handy if you need to unpick a mistake as to which batsmen scored which runs, for example. I agree about dots next to batsmen, and I've found since I've started doing this I make a lot fewer mistakes.
 
Spiderlounge said:
The reason you'd want to record whether they crossed or not is so you can read the full narrative in the scorebook. It comes in very handy if you need to unpick a mistake as to which batsmen scored which runs, for example. I agree about dots next to batsmen, and I've found since I've started doing this I make a lot fewer mistakes.
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Surely if you just pay attention you will put the runs down against the correct batsman anyway?

It seems to me that if a scorer is distracted enough to get confused by the extremely simple task of identifying which batsman did what, any hieroglyphs he made about who crossed when are almost certainly to be wrong as well, thus rendering them worse than useless.
 
SLA said:
Surely if you just pay attention you will put the runs down against the correct batsman anyway?

It seems to me that if a scorer is distracted enough to get confused by the extremely simple task of identifying which batsman did what, any hieroglyphs he made about who crossed when are almost certainly to be wrong as well, thus rendering them worse than useless.
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It's not always easy when you have two very similar batsmen in identical kit. Also in our league we're supposed to bowl our overs at 17 per hour, and if a team gets a bit behind to start with you can find that later they're getting through their overs so fast that you're really rushed. In those circumstances you need as much help as possible.

But I think the main reason is so that someone who wasn't watching the game can look through the scorebook and get a full ball-by-ball action replay.
 
Spiderlounge said:
It's not always easy when you have two very similar batsmen in identical kit. Also in our league we're supposed to bowl our overs at 17 per hour, and if a team gets a bit behind to start with you can find that later they're getting through their overs so fast that you're really rushed. In those circumstances you need as much help as possible.

But I think the main reason is so that someone who wasn't watching the game can look through the scorebook and get a full ball-by-ball action replay.
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Do you record who fielded each delivery and a wagon wheel for each batsman? If you want to take scoring to the next level, that would be more useful.
 
Have a look at this... At 14mins and 30 seconds in, Virat Kohli faces the first ball. Kohli hits it through cover point and runs, the other bloke 'Patel' sets off a bit late and gets run out. Kohli makes it home easy and is more than half way down the wicket before the bails are removed by the keeper. But Kohli's run isn't recorded - is that right or is that a mistake, surely that's two for two?
 
someblokecalleddave said:
Have a look at this... At 14mins and 30 seconds in, Virat Kohli faces the first ball. Kohli hits it through cover point and runs, the other bloke 'Patel' sets off a bit late and gets run out. Kohli makes it home easy and is more than half way down the wicket before the bails are removed by the keeper. But Kohli's run isn't recorded - is that right or is that a mistake, surely that's two for two?
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That's right. The single has to be completed by both runners for it to count.
 
It's funny, probably about 90% of the rules are pretty straightforward but you occasionally come across some pretty obscure ones you didn't know even after playing and watching the game for years.

Aussie rules I reckon would be about one of the hardest thinks to umpire, so many of the rules are more interpretative rather than being just black or white, and it's so fast.
 
Run-outs - these seem to be an obscure and vague set of rules. My understanding is that the fielder who throws the ball in to the stumps gets credited with the wicket. But what if either the bowler or the keeper are standing over the stumps and take the ball before it hits the stumps and they take the bails off? Do they then get the credit for the wicket?
 
SomeblokecalledDave. said:
Anyone else on here a scorer who does it the old school traditional way with a hard-copy scorebook and pens/pencils?
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Yes, I scored for a number of years with the hard-copy scorebook and pens. The association my club is part of is transitioning towards online scoring and most clubs have been provided with computer tablets to score through the online system here MyCricket. A number of the higher grades have moved towards mostly scoring via MyCricket but other grades are still using the older method when required. Higher grades still use the scorebook method when there are technology issues, etc.

SomeblokecalledDave. said:
Run-outs - these seem to be an obscure and vague set of rules. My understanding is that the fielder who throws the ball in to the stumps gets credited with the wicket. But what if either the bowler or the keeper are standing over the stumps and take the ball before it hits the stumps and they take the bails off? Do they then get the credit for the wicket?
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It depends. If the throw is a direct hit, then the fielder who threw the ball is credited with the runout only (i.e. run out Cummins). However, if a fielder or wicketkeeper assists the fielder with the runout then both are credited (i.e. run out Cummins/Starc or run out Cummins/†Carey).
 
Ljp86 said:
Yes, I scored for a number of years with the hard-copy scorebook and pens. The association my club is part of is transitioning towards online scoring and most clubs have been provided with computer tablets to score through the online system here MyCricket. A number of the higher grades have moved towards mostly scoring via MyCricket but other grades are still using the older method when required. Higher grades still use the scorebook method when there are technology issues, etc.



It depends. If the throw is a direct hit, then the fielder who threw the ball is credited with the runout only (i.e. run out Cummins). However, if a fielder or wicketkeeper assists the fielder with the runout then both are credited (i.e. run out Cummins/Starc or run out Cummins/†Carey).
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That's interesting, never heard that before, but so few people here in the UK are scorers and umpires with really good knowledge of the rules. I'll have to ask some of the older ex players.
 
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