australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

[poulsman]

australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Starting with Cameron White being named captain, and Brad Hodge opening the batting.
Michael Clarke is not a T20 player, and should not be kept in the team simply because of his strong test record and Ponting's preference for him as captain.

I know the selectors have something against Victorians, but even this trend seems to be shifting slightly these days

 

[Slip]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Starting with Cameron White being named captain, and Brad Hodge opening the batting.
Michael Clarke is not a T20 player, and should not be kept in the team simply because of his strong test record and Ponting's preference for him as captain.

I know the selectors have something against Victorians, but even this trend seems to be shifting slightly these days

Good joke

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

I have been harping on about this too.

Start with the NSW team with the international players in there (I hate saying it cause they are bloody New South Welshman). Then substitute in the best one or two T20 players from each state.

The NSW team at the moment with it's international players seems strong enough to easily beat the Aussie side, perhaps a lot of other international sides. Adding the strongest performers at DOMESTIC level as well will help that side be even better.

 

[a for effort]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Australia doesn't give a flying hoot about winning Twenty20 games outside of the world cup. They are never going to pick a full-strength side for an inconsequential one or two match series,but rather give some younger players who are on the fringe a taste of international cricket (and rightly so IMO)

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Australia doesn't give a flying hoot about winning Twenty20 games outside of the world cup. They are never going to pick a full-strength side for an inconsequential one or two match series,but rather give some younger players who are on the fringe a taste of international cricket (and rightly so IMO)

For the international Australian team I think T20s should be used as an exhibition only. Like the annual one against the All*Stars. I love to watch that one, but nothing much else.

 

[Bennycoff]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Agree, how Clarke is getting a game is a joke. Selfish player and can't produce the big shots. Sure you need a couple of solid bats but he has never performed in T20's and has had plenty of oppurtunities.

My 20-20 team:

Warner
Hughes
Hodge
D Hussey
White
Haddin
Henriques
Johnson
Lee
Siddle
Nannes

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Clark
Hauritz/Krezja
Ronchi
Marsh

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Clark has impressed me as a T20 and ODI bowler lately. I think it's about time he got the call up in both once again.

Siddle is a test bowler, barely an ODI bowler and not a T20 bowler. Once again it's me going at Siddle, but c'mon, he has an average upwards of 30 in T20s, with an economy of nearly 8 an over. Lee and Bracken both have averages of 20.

Nannes is being an annoyance to the Aussie side lately with his team swapping and not being patient, doubt they like him anymore.

Hauritz has impressed me, should be in there.

 

[Thumbs up]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Agree, how Clarke is getting a game is a joke. Selfish player and can't produce the big shots. Sure you need a couple of solid bats but he has never performed in T20's and has had plenty of oppurtunities.

My 20-20 team:

Warner
Hughes
Hodge
D Hussey
White
Haddin
Henriques
Johnson
Lee
Siddle
Nannes

---------
Clark
Hauritz/Krezja
Ronchi
Marsh

That looks a fairly good team, its the kind of game where there are numerous possible teams who are all likely to perform fairly well, yet more evidence that the game requires less skill.

Wow Boris you are turning another thread into a club to beat Siddle with and a Clark love fest. You say a lot for someone who has only one thing to say.

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

That looks a fairly good team, its the kind of game where there are numerous possible teams who are all likely to perform fairly well, yet more evidence that the game requires less skill.

Wow Boris you are turning another thread into a club to beat Siddle with and a Clark love fest. You say a lot for someone who has only one thing to say.

It is a good team.

I was not trying to add to my argument against Siddle. In fact I'm not against him at all. I was against Lee when he first made an appearance, see the difference time makes? I am going to pick on this particular youngster until he works out he is playing for AUSTRALIA. Until then he will get the rap I am giving him. Could be a few months, could be a few years, could be never. He is a brilliant bowler and should and will be in the side. Are there better? In my opinion yes.

I don't like Clark for ODIs or T20s. I have always thought he hasn't fitted in there, especially with Bracken. But his last T20s and ODIs that he has played for Australia and NSW he has really impressed me. He has been taking wickets a lot more willingly since his return after injury, and has still kept the runs down, albeit not quite as much. I think he should be given a go, maybe even in Lee's spot, but I don't think Siddle is a T20 bowler. In this day and age you cannot play all three and he has a terrible record and a bad style for the smash and bash. That opinion of mine won't change until he makes me eat my hat.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Clark never impressed me as a ODI bowler, has been tried numerous times and on each he has been routinely spanked around the park. His strength is his weakness in ODI cricket, he lacks genuine pace and doesn't vary his length much.

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

How about, for example, his performance in the Champions League? Surely that has to show for something.

He still has a decent average and has done more then enough for NSW. He is the perfect fill in bowler, but I would still like to see him get a game or two somewhere.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

I don't really want to see Clark in any Australian team, nothing personal, but I feel his best days are behind him. He was a very good player for us in the test arena after his debut in South Africa in 2006 and up to the West Indies tour in 2008. He was our best bowler in the Ashes 06/07 and was a pivotal part of our win there.

At the end of the day we got 2 and a half years of good returns out of Clark, who one felt was just holding the fort until younger players started to mature. We have those now in Hilfenhaus, Siddle and Bollinger, Lee also is probably ahead of Clark.

Clark was a fine bowler, but his time at the top is all but over IMO.

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Unfortunately I am starting to feel the same way. I don't want to, Clark is one of my favourite bowlers to walk this land, but instead I am feeling that there isn't a place for him.

I think he definitely still has the skill and can hold his own up easily, and is IMO better then all the bowlers on the team, but the system that the CA selection panel has in place isn't going to let him back into the side.

I am starting to think watching him is going to be a rare occurance, and from now on I will treasure those moments to fairwell a bowler that will end his career with an average better then McGraths.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Nannes is being an annoyance to the Aussie side lately with his team swapping and not being patient, doubt they like him anymore.

What?

He was not deemed in the best 30 T20 players in Australia so he went to the Netherlands, then Australia saw their mistake and called him up and now they dont like him? They played him after he played for another team or you are going to include the T20 Champions League where he was CONTRACTED to play for his IPL side

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

What?

He was not deemed in the best 30 T20 players in Australia so he went to the Netherlands, then Australia saw their mistake and called him up and now they dont like him? They played him after he played for another team or you are going to include the T20 Champions League where he was CONTRACTED to play for his IPL side

I know, there's no fact behind that statement.

I was just making reference to how impatient he seems to be. I know he's a great player and would have him in or around my team, but it really seemed like he threw a temper tantrum and ran of to the Dutch.

There are plenty of players who could do just as well as each other in Australia. Nobody else runs off and plays for other countries or puts more faith in money then the state for which they play and are loyal too.

I just think he should have a hard look at himself before he does get picked again. You have to be loyal to your country to play for it.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

I know, there's no fact behind that statement.

I was just making reference to how impatient he seems to be. I know he's a great player and would have him in or around my team, but it really seemed like he threw a temper tantrum and ran of to the Dutch.

There are plenty of players who could do just as well as each other in Australia. Nobody else runs off and plays for other countries or puts more faith in money then the state for which they play and are loyal too.

I just think he should have a hard look at himself before he does get picked again. You have to be loyal to your country to play for it.

If at 32 years of age the country you are in decides you are not even in their top 30 players of the 70 or so regular first class players then why would you wait? If another country wants you then go for it, besides it didnt hurt him

As for the Champions League, as I said he had a CONTRACT, it cannot be broken, he had no choice, if Delhi said they wanted Warner then he would have been playing for Delhi and NSW wouldnt have been in the final, but does that mean he would then be never picked for Australia again?

These IPL sides put in pretty strict contract conditions to ensure anyone they want they can have, Collingwood had to fake an injury to get out of it

 

[a for effort]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Is there any other justification for your reasoning other than the fact that he was undeservedly overlooked and then went overseas to play in a tournament that he should have already been playing in for Australia?

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

If at 32 years of age the country you are in decides you are not even in their top 30 players of the 70 or so regular first class players then why would you wait? If another country wants you then go for it, besides it didnt hurt him

As for the Champions League, as I said he had a CONTRACT, it cannot be broken, he had no choice, if Delhi said they wanted Warner then he would have been playing for Delhi and NSW wouldnt have been in the final, but does that mean he would then be never picked for Australia again?

These IPL sides put in pretty strict contract conditions to ensure anyone they want they can have, Collingwood had to fake an injury to get out of it

There are thousands of players that have had the same problem. If he wants to play for Australia he has to be patient. Play for Australian domestic team. Play county to keep yourself in good nick for the home summer. Give up the pointless IPL. Don't give up your aspirations to play for the country that you gave up to play for Australia.

He has gotten almost all of his reputation from the IPL. And which IPL side just got smashed in the Champions Trophy? It's like the best Zimbabwe player saying that he is a legend of the game because he's the best batsman there. With that team as it is, that's not too big an achievement.

He is a typical narcissist just seeking fame and fortune. He hasn't got the Aussie spirit of never say die. He has shown he gave up and became frustrated with the team he wants to be in. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. He should notice its not a right for him to be in the team. It's an honour to be in any Australian Cricket team and those spots aren't reserved for people unless they show that they have the initiative not only to perform, but to believe in their country and show good spirit.

As I said I like the bloke, and I think he is a bloody good cricketer. He should be in the squad, if not playing.

But then there is an argument for Brett Lee or Bryce McGain to be playing in the Ashes. There is an argument that Hodge should have been in the side a long time ago.

Happens all the time, he has to have a hard look at himself and make sure he actually wants to play for Australia for another reason beside the money and the fame he will get from it. Has to show respect. I wouldn't select someone that says and shows they are frustrated and giving up on myself and themselves.

Is there any other justification for your reasoning other than the fact that he was undeservedly overlooked and then went overseas to play in a tournament that he should have already been playing in for Australia?

I don't quite get the question, but I have taken back my original statement, that was an opinion of mine with no evidence to back it up. What I have just said is my new statement that I believe in.

Seriously, though, very few people in states other than Victoria had barely noticed Nannes before the IPL. And I am going to say that if the Aussie selectors are basing their selections from some franchise that offers nothing but trouble then I have officially lost any faith in them.

No point in him being over there and should take a leaf out of the numerous Australian's that have noticed that.

 

[eddiesmith]

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Wow, an amazing post there, I dont know if you realise this, but he has a far superior record playing for Victoria than Delhi, you may also not realise that he played in the IPL due to his amazing record for Victoria, before he joined the IPL he had 38 wickets @ an average of about 14, every person who knows anything about cricket called for his inclusion in the Australian T20 squad and couldnt believe it when he missed out, that was before the IPL happened this year

It has nothing to do with the IPL, he didnt play in season 1, he earnt his reputation long before season 2

He also has a first class bowling average of just 24, thats not from playing in the IPL

If people hadnt heard of Dirk Nannes before this years IPL then they obviously dont follow state cricket that much

As for the IPL mob being thrashed, that would be Adam Gilchrist and Andrew Symonds mob who failed to make the 2nd round, but I am sure that wont stop you calling for Symonds to be begged back when he makes some rare runs in the IPL, ooops, already happening, shame he couldnt fire in this tournament, hate to rely on him to win when needed because he doesnt stand up

As for Dirk, averaged 8 with the ball in the Champions League

 

[Boris]

Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

I see what you are saying, and I am not sure you are see what I'm hinting towards.

I am not questioning his performance, he is a bloody good bowler. But I will bite and ask you something. How many news articles did you see where it pointed out Nannes as a State bowler? I rarely saw any, they all had to do with his IPL performances and how good he was over there. I am a Queenslander, just like many other people, and I don't have to time to analyse every other states every game. Therefore I get the infomation needed from news articles, both on websites and on TV. They all depict Nannes as an IPL bowler only. Media bias as it is, but that is where his reputation comes from up here.

Also he is playing for Victoria. With the Vics going so well in all forms of the game its not too hard for him to stand up with the other bowlers who all have similar results.

But I am not questioning his performance and ability. I am questioning the mental state he is in which does not match an Australian cricketers.

I don't want a money and fame hunter playing for Australia. Sure that's what Symonds is, but he loved this country and played his heart out for us the public. Symonds was born in England, so technically he could play for England after living there for six months. Knowing them he could probably get a game. Did he ever run back to England when Australia dropped him, making them feel not superior and weak.

Nannes plays for himself, for his records, for his money. He doesn't give a hoot about Victoria, Dehli or Australia. He wants the most money and fame. I have been researching now and finding news articles. He doesn't sound like a nice bloke.

Fix his head and I would have in my team any day.