australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

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Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Amazing, you have a very different perception to most people on Dirk

The Symonds idea is a bad example, he got given everything and he never repaid them, plus he couldnt just run off to England, he would have had to wait 4 years of no international cricket, he is a money and fame hunter and one of the biggest of all time, thats why the IPL is perfect for him

As for Dirk, as said, when coming near the end of your career and not even getting close to a look in, why would you wait around? He had a chance to play at the top level for the next 3 years in all the major tournaments, or continue to get overlooked for Australia. Funny how after he did it the Australian selectors woke up and made sure they picked him, so I cant really see why he would be unliked seeing as he was picked in Australias last T20 match so he obviously isnt on the outer and those inside have a very different opinion of him

If QLD made the Champions League I couldnt imagine you saying the same things about Andrew Symonds

As for the media, I dont know what the media up north say, but they have probably never written anything positive about any Victorian cricketer so wouldnt suprise me if they never talked up Dirk, yet if you read around any forum before the T20 squad was announced, everyone said pick Dirk and that was before he ever played an IPL game
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Symonds isn't the best example because of his latest behaviour, but look back to the early 2000s and that example works.

I am not a supporter of Roy anymore, but that doesn't mean I don't like what he did in the past. If he played for Dehli instead of Queensland without all this stuff of late happening, then I would be angry, but since he doesn't even have a Queensland contract it would be extremely unlikely that Dehli would have thought of letting him do what he wants.

If Nannes likes the IPL, the money and the fame then he should go play over there like Symonds.

Respect for our country is what I'm saying.

Just because he wasn't picked doesn't mean he isn't a good enough cricketer. Judging by Nofke's performances of the past ten years I think he should have been in the team a long, long time ago. He didn't get that chance, tough. You can't control the selectors and if they haven't selected him there is a reason. Obviously they think there is someone better then him already in the team and they aren't going to drop someone who is performing. You don't get selected because you are good at anything in cricket, you only get selected if you are the best when there is an opening for your spot. If Ponting retires now, they wouldn't pick Nannes for the side to fill in that opening, they would pick another batsman. Lee, Johnson, Tait and Siddle already fill that fast scary hit you in the head bowler.

Besides I would have you would have already thought that since he is so old that you wouldn't want him picked so you could bring through a youngster :p

Having said that, once again I am going to reassure everyone that he is a good player and should be in the side as soon as there is an opening, if there isn't one already.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

But the point you are missing is these players have no choice, their contract dicates the IPL sides get first choice

So if QLD qualified then QLD wouldnt have a choice, Symonds would be playing for Deccan if they want to pay the money

If Delhi decided they would prefer to spend their money on Warner instead of Nannes then NSW would never have won and Warner would have represented Delhi, does that mean he would be Un Australian?
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

I have no objection to the contracts.

But really is there a need to play IPL other than the money? Its not as if selectors actually use those performances for judgement. It's just a waste of time and opportunity for those who seriously want to play for Australia.

There aren't many Australians that have kept playing it. Most are chosing reducing their contracts or leaving altogether. Or others are using it for warm ups, like Lee, even though if he wasn't playing for Australia he would be there anyway, like Nannes.

This is turning into an 'I hate IPL' discussion now, probably best to get back on topic.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Then you have the Australian T20 Captain who wants to be paid over 1 million a year and when every team laughed at him he pretended he wanted a rest instead :D

With England reducing the amount of International players then really the IPL is the only other league players can play in during their off season, the money is a good bonus but for players who play cricket as their career then they probably want to keep playing

As for selectors not taking any notice, Watsons stocks rose alot more after his 1st season over there

I will say though it makes no sense whatsoever for regular test and ODI players who complain of too much cricket to be playing in it
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Money has no place in the game but to keep it alive.

Back many years ago Australian Test players were having to work a second job to do what they do. That is called honour, commitment and loyalty.

Cricket, and for that sake most other sports, is just turning into another job. In a lot of ways playing a sport for your country is just like going to war for her. Obviously there is no comparison to how much greater those that have and will fight for our country, but sport is just about as close as you can get. You will never find a soldier that has been to a war that says they are paid enough for what they do. Why do they do it then? I'm sure you can answer that question.

Cricket especially is a game of honour, honesty and loyalty. There should be enough money for a player to just live comfortably. Don't just make it a high paying job that anyone will want to go for. We want cricket players playing for Australia, not money seekers.

Even if we have a batsman that averages higher then Bradman with even more games then him today, I will never think of him as greater, because Bradman played in a time of hard times and war. He never gave up on his country despite not being paid for it.

IPL has gone way too far with commercialisation and franchising. Kerry Packer fought for the rights of cricketers to be paid enough to live on. IPL bosses are fighting for the right for cricketers to live like selfish ungrateful bastards. My personal opinion shining through there.

So in my opinion anyone that plays IPL in the way that Nannes does, and I'm not pointing the finger at him because even Lee plays and apparently I'm in love with Lee, I will not have the same respect for.

Cricket is a dying game, I don't think the game as we know it will be around for too long.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

You have an extremely idealised view of the game, Boris. Unfortunately it doesn't mesh well with reality.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Caesar;372004 said:
You have an extremely idealised view of the game, Boris. Unfortunately it doesn't mesh well with reality.
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I know. It's never going to be like that, but there can be small things done to at least nudge the game towards it.

Firstly would be salary caps on players at the level they are at now for the ACB, because obviously nobody would except a pay decrease, and then disallow contracted players to enter any other contract with another cricketing board, other then their corresponding domestic team without negotiations for contracts such as county cricket. That means Australian contracted players cannot play IPL.

Therefore only players who truly want to play cricket for Australia will allow themselves to be contracted, while the others play for their state and gather millions in the IPL.

There are probably reasons why this isn't possible, so tell me if that is the case.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

One reason that this isn't possible is that nobody stands to gain anything from it. Players want freedom to play county cricket and/or IPL if they so choose, national boards want to put their country's best possible team on the park, and the game's administrators/sponsors want the best players playing to generate more revenue. Restricting who can play where is never going to happen because it's ridiculous.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

And you want to see the best looking players playing for our country in ten years time?

Cricketers get half their pay from sponsorship, advertising etc. Michael Clarke gets a heap because he has a boyish face and is generally good looking.

If you had a bloke like Boon playing he would never stand to make money like that. Therefore the ACB wouldn't make money from the sponsorships they have for having those players. Therefore money is lost from paying those players to play for you.

In tens years time only good looking guys would get a game, in general. It is the 'way of the future' is commercialism and has nothing to do with fielding the best side possible. They only have to win enough games to keep the public interested, then the rest of the time they spend in the area of money making.

If this continues then simply Test cricket won't stand for the next 100 years, more like 30-50. By then the ACB will have made people not like it just so they don't have to spend the money of it, because frankly T20s are cheaper and higher revenue raisers.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

That's just what everyone said when they said cricket could never be played in 5 days. Just what they said when cricket couldn't be played with 6 ball overs. Just what they said when night cricket was introduced.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

England tried to stop their players but they had to give in, no one says no to India
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Australia has full powers already. Tait has been told not to go back there due to injury and non commitment to his state.

They have figured that he is just seeking money only as he is putting his state's results on the line for money when he could easily be injured.

So obviously they can use the same power to a lot of people for small technicalities they can pick on.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

CA has the power to stop anyone with a CA contract from playing in any series, the worst thing with Tait was they dumped him from his contract a month later, disgraceful effort by them
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

Well if I were them I would be finding random reasons to keep home players that are vital for the team.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

eddiesmith;372328 said:
CA has the power to stop anyone with a CA contract from playing in any series, the worst thing with Tait was they dumped him from his contract a month later, disgraceful effort by them
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That is not entirely correct edward, Shaun Tait was given a contract after Symo lost his.
 
Re: australia should adopt a specialist T20 side for it's international games

He has only just been banned from the next season as well pending his return to the Australian team.
 
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