Brett Lee

What do you think Brett Lee's future should be?

  • As a Test and ODI player

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • As a Test Player only

    Votes: 7 70.0%

  • As an ODI player only

    Votes: 1 10.0%

  • None of the above, his international career is finished

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Total voters
    10
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Re: Brett Lee

clark is 6'7'' so obviously hes going to get some bounce from that no matter what. and when you start bowling quickly the ball tends to skid on a touch. so bowling at the speed he does from his height with his technique (with not so much backspin on the ball from the flick of the wrist that is needed to bowl fast) gets natural bounce that is hard to play. the thing is landing that ball is a hard thing to do so it takes a very good player to hit the deck in the exact same spot time and time again. thats what makes him so good. i agree with DoP.

bracken is a completely different argument of mine that could take days to resolve. thats why there is a Nathan Bracken thread. i think the truth is we are having enough trouble picking the pace bowlers we have know. there is simply no room for bracken. would like him playing though.
 
Re: Brett Lee

Lee is a good bowler. Always has been and always will be.

Siddle may get there and although he did well these last two tests in England I am not completely sure he is there yet.
 
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Duckie;361186 said:
Lee is a good bowler. Always has been and always will be.

Siddle may get there and although he did well these last two tests in England I am not completely sure he is there yet.
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I agree but Siddle is going along ok. England are 3/58 and in a commanding position. What Australia obviously need to do is dismiss the Poms around 150to be any chance. They know this and will be under pressure. I make a prediction and say if Clark cant snag 3 or 4 quickies his time along with Hussey will be up.
Lee's form in the garbage games has been good enough to warrant a spot this test if they were not going for a specialist spinner. The selectors seemed to have erred big time here, but that is for another thread I know.
 
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As far as Im concerned Lee test career should be all but over, thats nothing against Lee, I think all things being equal he has been a fine servant of the Australian team, and one of our finest ODI bowlers ever.

Unlike overs, I do hold quite a bit of weight in ODI's and in this format Lee has excelled.

I think he still has a role to play in this form of the game.

But in terms of test matchs, the likes of Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Johnson and Bollinger are our future in that regard. They are all good enough to play in their own right, Lee would just be blocking the progess of other bowlers if he were to play.

I can only see him playing due to injury.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;361362 said:
As far as Im concerned Lee test career should be all but over, thats nothing against Lee, I think all things being equal he has been a fine servant of the Australian team, and one of our finest ODI bowlers ever.

Unlike overs, I do hold quite a bit of weight in ODI's and in this format Lee has excelled.

I think he still has a role to play in this form of the game.

But in terms of test matchs, the likes of Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Johnson and Bollinger are our future in that regard. They are all good enough to play in their own right, Lee would just be blocking the progess of other bowlers if he were to play.

I can only see him playing due to injury.
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i think your right there, unfortunately. i really want him to play again in tests.

and i seriously think he is the best australian ODI bowler ever. his stats prove it as well. and i have only liked lee the last year, so its not as if im playing favourites or anything. he has to play this ODI series IMO. cant ignore him. the last tour match he played in was pretty much an ODI in the way it was played and he excelled, so im all for him.
 
Re: Brett Lee

LIONS then DAYLIGHT;361362 said:
As far as Im concerned Lee test career should be all but over, thats nothing against Lee, I think all things being equal he has been a fine servant of the Australian team, and one of our finest ODI bowlers ever.

Unlike overs, I do hold quite a bit of weight in ODI's and in this format Lee has excelled.

I think he still has a role to play in this form of the game.

But in terms of test matchs, the likes of Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Johnson and Bollinger are our future in that regard. They are all good enough to play in their own right, Lee would just be blocking the progess of other bowlers if he were to play.

I can only see him playing due to injury.
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CRAP.
Lee is still good enough. The current crop desperately need a leader. McGain was not too old to pick. We cannot consistantly bowl teams out and if you think Bollinger will help you are kidding. You think like an Assie selector, so both them and yourself should be sacked.
 
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cold case;361429 said:
CRAP.
Lee is still good enough. The current crop desperately need a leader. McGain was not too old to pick. We cannot consistantly bowl teams out and if you think Bollinger will help you are kidding. You think like an Assie selector, so both them and yourself should be sacked.
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I agree that Bollinger is rubbish but will only be happy seeing Lee once he gets a few longer games under the belt. I fully expect, and hope, that he comes into the team and not at the cost of one of the current crop. We lack penetration as a bowling unit and must take 20 wickets to win games so Lee in for a five man bowling team for a trial period (i.e against NZ) and pick the best 4 man set up (with a spinner) of them for the ensuing series'.
 
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well it is obvious that our bowling line up is terrible after the poor performance at the oval. yes the batting in the second innings lost the game, but a total of 350+ on that surface is more like 500 on an adelaide flat track. there were long spells were nothing happened and all in all none of the bowlers did any good, especially in the second innings.

when your new crop of bowlers has shown that they cant get 20 wickets for less then a large amount of runs after a series and a half (yes they succeeded in south africa, but that was only in half the innings), and with not much in the way of domestic supporting evidence from any of them, who do you go to? younger players? or reinforce the team with proven veterans that are reliable and can win matches. as long as lee can stay fit for a series (which i think he can) he is needed to reinforce the bowling attack.

its one thing introducing a new bowler to the team to get experience and improve. its another to place three new bowlers in a four man bowling line up, and having the only half experienced one being out of form. how can they improve if they are all being smashed around and there is nobody to turn to? i think one at a time, otherwise you're going to get nowhere very quickly. they will turn out alright in the long run, but do you want to see a multitude of series lost to get there? just need balance.

and it isnt if lee wont perform. the only thing being said against him is that he is 'old'. and him having at least two years, or three seasons and close to 20 more tests, that isnt too old.
 
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Good post Boris. A great sportsman will tell when they are too old. I dont want to say too much, but If a news story broke stating a comeback from the mighty Shane Warne. I would be the happiest man in the world. I would love to hear thoughts on whether Warney was wanted back at the popping crease. Too old? Never.
Possilbly one of the few shining lights of the Ashes tour also. Warney's commentary. Marvellous.
 
Re: Brett Lee

distributer of pain;362200 said:
remember our bowling attack struggled and pieterson was'nt even playing, id back lee for another calender test year for sure.
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Yeah!

Parade College boy like myself, Strauchnie. Year or 2 below me I think. Terrible footballer though.
 
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If Lee can finish a series- sure, pick him. but he hasn't finished a series for a while now. plus you're making it sound as if he wasn't in the rooms to give advice- which is usually when it is going to sink in. sometimes the last thing you want to hear WHEN you're getting smashed around is what you're doing wrong- but you might accept it more easily after the day is finished. or was he off penning Bollywood classics?
i would like to see Warnie come back and do a Blackie and bowl until he is fifty- they say a spinner gets craftier as they get older and it would be interesting to see what he could come up with next- a ball that makes you a cuppa and then bowls you while you drink it?.
but this team was always going to struggle when two of the top ten bowlers of all time retired; throw in a performer like MacGill, whose strike rate is better than Warne's, plus a sudden drop in experience in the Shield ranks. we're so used to the ultra-attack we haven't developed anything to take it's place at Test level. which is probably a good argument for playing a few Shield games before the First Test where the uber-attack just does not happen.
it could be worse- take a look at the attack Border had in the first years of his Captaincy.
 
Re: Brett Lee

If he is smart enough, in tests.

I have often found some of Lee's best deliveries are between 135-145km/h.
Then as he winds up the pace the swing seems to disappear.

Either encourage him to slow a tad and play the five day game, or go out with a bang and knock peoples heads off in ODI's and T20.
 
Re: Brett Lee

Pretty good post, but:


Boris;362187 said:
well it is obvious that our bowling line up is terrible after the poor performance at the oval. yes the batting in the second innings lost the game, but a total of 350+ on that surface is more like 500 on an adelaide flat track.
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This test was lost at the batting crease and in the 1st innings. 160-odd is a seriously poor performance, and it was followed by solid performance by england and a stronger one by us on this supposed nightmare of a pitch.

And who wants the bore-fests which are flat track cricket?
 
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theres to much advantage givin to the team batting 1st on over cooked pitches, in reality theres probably an overall advantage to teams batting 1st on the vast majority of pitches, tests are flawed because of this and they always have and always will be, in a perfect world the winner of a test shouldn't be the guy who guesses heads or tails correctly, i dont know what the answer is though. And im all for green tops and such, but the powers that be's bank balances arnt to keen on the idea, then on the other hand if we started making bowlers pitches we can kiss goodbye to the current run rates we've enjoyed for the last 10/15 years, which has revitalized test cricket i think most would agree, no where near as many draws happen now days compared to 20 + years ago, but any pitch a country hands out to a visiting test team must be a quality pitch, and in quality i mean a pitch which is not going to collapse within 4 days, no one wants to see that, especially young billy from the orphanage who saved his pennys to buy day 5 ticket because that was all he could afford lol.
 
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