Bryce McGain

[gbatman]

Bryce McGain

ok Bryce McGain has just got himself a 5 wicket haul. He bowls tight, with variation turn and flight. He is every bit as good a bowler maby better than Brad Hogg.

He is bowling well and should be playing one day cricket for Australia! The ODI side is screaming out for a spinner! No Symonds or Hogg, Clark bowls tight darts and isn't a wicket taker! Dave Hussey bowls pies! Get him in!

 

[breeno]

Re: Bryce McGain

Too old.

 

[Keep Wandering]

Re: Bryce McGain

Too old.

mate,
if his the best spinner in Australia who cares,
he is in great form (over the past two years) bloody play him,
at the moment we need some short-term wins,
McGain is a far better bowler than Hogg and if he is playing well he will keep on playing till 40.

 

[breeno]

Re: Bryce McGain

mate,
if his the best spinner in Australia who cares,
he is in great form (over the past two years) bloody play him,
at the moment we need some short-term wins,
McGain is a far better bowler than Hogg and if he is playing well he will keep on playing till 40.

It's my opinion which I am entitled to. I think we need to prepare for the next world cup, and unfortunately I don't think McGain will be there. It is a shame he had too many others in his way earlier in his career, as he is a great bowler.

Look how young the South African side is, and they smashed us, I believe youth is the key, because when Mcgain retires we will be in the same predicament, needing a spin bowler. Better off letting one of the younger options mature IMO.

 

[crktluva]

Re: Bryce McGain

It's my opinion which I am entitled to. I think we need to prepare for the next world cup, and unfortunately I don't think McGain will be there. It is a shame he had too many others in his way earlier in his career, as he is a great bowler.

Look how young the South African side is, and they smashed us, I believe youth is the key, because when Mcgain retires we will be in the same predicament, needing a spin bowler. Better off letting one of the younger options mature IMO.

good point breeno, but he is the best spinner we have by a texas bloody mile. they want him in and he will be.

 

[grapedo]

Re: Bryce McGain

It's my opinion which I am entitled to. I think we need to prepare for the next world cup, and unfortunately I don't think McGain will be there. It is a shame he had too many others in his way earlier in his career, as he is a great bowler.

Look how young the South African side is, and they smashed us, I believe youth is the key, because when Mcgain retires we will be in the same predicament, needing a spin bowler. Better off letting one of the younger options mature IMO.

These are the sort of comparisons I like to hear.

No But serioulsy Breeno, Mcgain is the best spinner by far he should be picked world cup or no world cup.

ATM there are no good spinners in Australia bar Mcgain, so pick him for now and if one of the younger spinners comes through or improves dramatically then that's when I think age should come into it.

 

[DoubleO7]

Re: Bryce McGain

He will get called up to the Australian squad. Best spinner in Australia, bar none.
Age is not a factor IMO

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Bryce McGain

Age will be a factor in the ODI selection, but should still see him play test cricket for the next 3-4 years

 

[postmanpav]

Re: Bryce McGain

Agree with Breeno 100%. When you are trying to rebuild a side into the dominant force it once was, 37 year old debutants dont help.

 

[Kram81]

Re: Bryce McGain

Age will be a factor in the ODI selection, but should still see him play test cricket for the next 3-4 years

Yep exactly.

 

[gbatman]

Re: Bryce McGain

He looks in great shape (unlike Warne at times and McGill in the end). He could play for years!

He's a spin bowler, he doesn't need the muscle speed of a quick or the eye sight or reaction time or footwork of a batsmen. He could play well into his 40s and could definatly make the world cup. He has the body type to keep going if he doesn't get more injuries.

I recon play him and by the time he has finished some one might have come along or someone like Krejza might have improved.

 

[grapedo]

Re: Bryce McGain

Agree with Breeno 100%. When you are trying to rebuild a side into the dominant force it once was, 37 year old debutants dont help.

I would prefer a 37 year old spinner who has variation and troubles the batsman to an extent then picking a 24 year old who has no variation and averages 50 in first class cricket and keep picking him hoping that one day he will go from being a rubbish bowler to the world's top spinner their is no logic in that.

You could say the same about Haddin he is in his early 30s you could say lets pick Ronchi because we are rebuilding and need youth.

 

[breeno]

Re: Bryce McGain

I would prefer a 37 year old spinner who has variation and troubles the batsman to an extent then picking a 24 year old who has no variation and averages 50 in first class cricket and keep picking him hoping that one day he will go from being a rubbish bowler to the world's top spinner their is no logic in that.

You could say the same about Haddin he is in his early 30s you could say lets pick Ronchi because we are rebuilding and need youth.

Haddin isn't thirty seven, he is in his early to mid 30's.

Krejza took 12 on debut, which is a lot more than what Ronchi has proven.

No doubt McGain is the best spinner in Australia, but IMO he's too old to debut.

 

[grapedo]

Re: Bryce McGain

Haddin isn't thirty seven, he is in his early to mid 30's.

Krejza took 12 on debut, which is a lot more than what Ronchi has proven.

No doubt McGain is the best spinner in Australia, but IMO he's too old to debut.

Krejza took 12 on an indian pitch he then backed it up with an impressive match figures of 1 - 204 against south Africa at the Waca who are not the best players of spin in the world, he should have at least picked up 4 or 5 for the match.

 

[breeno]

Re: Bryce McGain

Krejza took 12 on an indian pitch he then backed it up with an impressive match figures of 1 - 204 against south Africa at the Waca who are not the best players of spin in the world, he should have at least picked up 4 or 5 for the match.

Hang on, you just missed the point. The point is that your Ronchi Haddin point was irrelevant.

 

[grapedo]

Re: Bryce McGain

Hang on, you just missed the point. The point is that your Ronchi Haddin point was irrelevant.

No it isn't.

It is similar because Haddin is 31 he isn't going to be on the scene all that long but he was included in the side because he was the best wicket keeper in the country.

Mcgain may be older, but he is still in the same boat because he is the best spinner in the country but people are saying they would prefer someone else because Mcgain is too old, my point was that no one said that about Haddin so why should they say it about Mcgain ?

I am not comparing Haddin to Mcgain so it dosen't matter whether Mcgain is older than Haddin as they are still in the same situation, they are not spring chickens and both have younger players behind them but are still the best of their respective player calibre in the country so why base selection on age ?

The reason why Australia is in decline is not because of the age of the last crop of players it is because they had no suitable replacements lined up which is fair enough because you cannot replace legends, but they have less skilled players in those positions now thus they are a less skillful team and teams like South Africa and India who have better players are now better teams.

So to say Mcgain should not be picked because he is too old is ridiculous as I have just proven that the decline in Australian cricket was not becuase of player age it was because the depth in domestic cricket was not able to fill the boots of the legends they replaced.

So Mcgain should be picked because he is the best in the bunch by far and we may as well have 2 or 3 years with a decent spinner where some success may be enjoyed instead of having 5 years with a crappy spinner who everyone thought would get better but hasn't and due to those hopes Mcgain is then long gone.

 

[breeno]

Re: Bryce McGain

No it isn't.

It is similar because Haddin is 31 he isn't going to be on the scene all that long but he was included in the side because he was the best wicket keeper in the country.

Mcgain may be older, but he is still in the same boat because he is the best spinner in the country but people are saying they would prefer someone else because Mcgain is too old, my point was that no one said that about Haddin so why should they say it about Mcgain ?

I am not comparing Haddin to Mcgain so it dosen't matter whether Mcgain is older than Haddin as they are still in the same situation, they are not spring chickens and both have younger players behind them but are still the best of their respective player calibre in the country so why base selection on age ?

The reason why Australia is in decline is not because of the age of the last crop of players it is because they had no suitable replacements lined up which is fair enough because you cannot replace legends, but they have less skilled players in those positions now thus they are a less skillful team and teams like South Africa and India who have better players are now better teams.

So to say Mcgain should not be picked because he is too old is ridiculous as I have just proven that the decline in Australian cricket was not becuase of player age it was because the depth in domestic cricket was not able to fill the boots of the legends they replaced.

So Mcgain should be picked because he is the best in the bunch by far and we may as well have 2 or 3 years with a decent spinner where some success may be enjoyed instead of having 5 years with a crappy spinner who everyone thought would get better but hasn't and due to those hopes Mcgain is then long gone.

How did you prove anything other than a senseless rabble?

I see how people with your point of view think like that, I just don't agree with you.

Haddin has 6 years on McGain, more than half a decade, he will most likely be sticking around longer than Macca G, stop bringing irrelevant points into the argument.

 

[Mousey]

Re: Bryce McGain

Haddin was 30 when he debuted, had previous ODI experience and was a solid performer over a number of years.

I have no opinion on the McGain matter, but I just wanted to clarrify this.

 

[breeno]

Re: Bryce McGain

Haddin was 30 when he debuted, had previous ODI experience and was a solid performer over a number of years.

I have no opinion on the McGain matter, but I just wanted to clarrify this.

Thankyou.

 

[grapedo]

Re: Bryce McGain

How did you prove anything other than a senseless rabble?

I see how people with your point of view think like that, I just don't agree with you.

Haddin has 6 years on McGain, more than half a decade, he will most likely be sticking around longer than Macca G, stop bringing irrelevant points into the argument.

It is not who will be sticking around longer it is that they are both the eldest players in their calibre, Haddin wasn't judged on age because their are younger keepers who could stick with the team for 10 years so why should Mcgain not be included in selection because of age ? if he is not selected becuase they could pick a spinner that could be in the team for 10 years then that is the same reason to not include Haddin however Haddin was included so Mcgain should be included to.

You are the one not getting the point, I am not comparing Haddin to Mcgain I am comparing them both in the fact that they are the oldest spin bowler and wicket keeper in the country but the fact that Haddin was selected no matter how long he will be in the side for is the same justification for Mcgain.


And can you answer this question for me, Australian cricket is in crisis would you prefer a decent 37 year old spinner who could actually do some good for the team ( who cares if it is for 2 years) or would you prefer the selectors to keep picking hopeless spinners who have first class bowling averages of 50 and have been on the domestic scene for 4 or 5 years and haven't shown any signs of improvement, included in the team because of their age and the fact Australia is rebuilding ? because I certainly would but you as an Australian supportor shouldn't.