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He's gone.

Rogers quits WA

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Good riddance. Cracked the shits when the WA selectors wouldn't play him in the one-day side and has been acting like a baby ever since. This situation probably isn't helped by the fact that the WA selectors have a habit of getting players off side, Simon Katich is a name that comes to mind.

Still, he's gone now so that's two opening batters WA will need to look for, for next season. Liam Davis will be one and Shaun Marsh will probably be the other. The opening gig will help Marsh in his quest for Australian selection.

I don't see how changing states is going to improve his chances of playing for Australia. Outside of Hayden and Jaques, he is already Australia's first choice opener so he is already on a winner. The relationship between Rogers and the WA heirachy must have deteriorated quite significantly for him to leave despite being in such a strong position for Australian selection.

Would be funny if he goes to Victoria though, looks what playing for Victoria has done for Brad Hodge. :D
 
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He's a huge loss for you WA fellows, but someone else's gain. Down here in Tasmania we are desperate for an opening batsman, at least in the 4-day competition. It's about our only weak link, but it appears that the Tigers will have faith with their current players to start up a new combination.
Probably the big problem is that we have enough openers in the one-day game and with Rogers not happy about not being in the one-day side for his state (hence the main and perhaps only reason he's leaving WA), I doubt we can squeeze him in there. His overall average in one-day games throughout his career is not outstanding either, 31.43.
Like with Tasmania next season, it will be interesting to see who WA use as their opening combination.
 
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Michael Klinger's heading off to the Redbacks by the looks of things too. Ended this season horribly, both for state and club, so this move looks like his last real chance to make a go of anything.
 
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Rogers has signed with Victoria.

Chris Rogers has announced that he will be playing for Victoria in the 2008-2009 season ending rumours he was being chased by two other states. Rogers left his former state, WA, describing the situation at the Warriors as "stale".

Rogers signs with Victoria

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Bit surprised he went to Victoria, I would have though that Tasmania or Queensland would be far better options. I find it bizarre that Tassie didn't chase him harder, with Di Venunto retiring, Tassie would be desperate for a class opener and Rogers would certainly fit that role.

He still comes across as a bit of a sook though, while he probably should have been given more opportunities in the one-day arena, I still don't see how moving to Victoria is going to increase his chances of Australian selection.

On the other hand, the question the WACA must ask themselves is why are they losing so many home-grown players to other states? Stuart MacGill, David Hussey, Simon Katich, Beau Casson and now Chris Rogers. What the hell is going on in there?
 
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Victoria's opening batting line up isn't the strongest and we do have a good state level set up, just can't get results on the board

Welcome to the mighty Vics Chris
 
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Ljp86;216428 said:
Rogers has signed with Victoria.

Chris Rogers has announced that he will be playing for Victoria in the 2008-2009 season ending rumours he was being chased by two other states. Rogers left his former state, WA, describing the situation at the Warriors as "stale".

Rogers signs with Victoria

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Bit surprised he went to Victoria, I would have though that Tasmania or Queensland would be far better options. I find it bizarre that Tassie didn't chase him harder, with Di Venunto retiring, Tassie would be desperate for a class opener and Rogers would certainly fit that role.

He still comes across as a bit of a sook though, while he probably should have been given more opportunities in the one-day arena, I still don't see how moving to Victoria is going to increase his chances of Australian selection.

On the other hand, the question the WACA must ask themselves is why are they losing so many home-grown players to other states? Stuart MacGill, David Hussey, Simon Katich, Beau Casson and now Chris Rogers. What the hell is going on in there?
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Yeah I agree, I cannot see why Tasmania didn't try and chase him harder. The opening batsmen options in the 4-day comp is pencil thin. Dane Anderson, David Dawson (if he's retained), Michael Dighton, Travis Birt and Tim Paine (you could almost rule him out he's found a niche playing as the keeper and at no.7 batsman) would be the frontrunners. But Birt and Dighton are more suited to the middle order, and Anderson and Dawson hardly seem fearsome first-class players yet alone fearsome opening batsmen. It is a real worry.
And yes, the amount of home grown talent over in WA leaving the state to other places is frightening. When that amount of players leave you've got to ask, are the players unhappy with the board?
 
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Tassietigersrule;216454 said:
Yeah I agree, I cannot see why Tasmania didn't try and chase him harder. The opening batsmen options in the 4-day comp is pencil thin. Dane Anderson, David Dawson (if he's retained), Michael Dighton, Travis Birt and Tim Paine (you could almost rule him out he's found a niche playing as the keeper and at no.7 batsman) would be the frontrunners. But Birt and Dighton are more suited to the middle order, and Anderson and Dawson hardly seem fearsome first-class players yet alone fearsome opening batsmen. It is a real worry.
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What about Rhett Lockyear? I see he's batted up the order a few times in some one-dayers. Out of that lot, you'd have to go with Paine and Birt, there's really no-one else.

Tassietigersrule said:
And yes, the amount of home grown talent over in WA leaving the state to other places is frightening. When that amount of players leave you've got to ask, are the players unhappy with the board?
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Probably. More likely the board aren't making the right calls and they're getting players off side. All of those players mentioned have or will play international cricket, that's a really big loss as far as WA is concerned and we've developed most of them only to see them move interstate. It's not a trend we want to continue.
 
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Ljp86;216473 said:
What about Rhett Lockyear? I see he's batted up the order a few times in some one-dayers. Out of that lot, you'd have to go with Paine and Birt, there's really no-one else.
Lockyear could, he's been around for a while but the coaching staff have a high opinion of him. Dights will probably be given another chance, he's got what it takes and it's a must that he does well there, or someone else surprises me. I still say Paine won't go up there, or we need a new gloveman, mind you we have a plethora of choices. Painey got off to a bang early in the 06/07 season but when he performed the duel roles of opener/keeper he failed badly. I think he really found a niche late last season as the keeper and no.7 batsman. I'm predicting an Anderson/Dighton opening partnership to start off with next year.



Probably. More likely the board aren't making the right calls and they're getting players off side. All of those players mentioned have or will play international cricket, that's a really big loss as far as WA is concerned and we've developed most of them only to see them move interstate. It's not a trend we want to continue.
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All of the players mentioned have not only played in Pura Cup winning teams but also had an Australian call-up of some stage. What if these players were in WA? No wonder it's been 9 long seasons since the Warriors won anything. As for us down here at Tassie, 3 cups in 4 years is mainly due to the fact that we've kept our home grown talent together, with a helping hand of some interstate recruits.
 
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Tassietigersrule;216583 said:
Lockyear could, he's been around for a while but the coaching staff have a high opinion of him. Dights will probably be given another chance, he's got what it takes and it's a must that he does well there, or someone else surprises me. I still say Paine won't go up there, or we need a new gloveman, mind you we have a plethora of choices. Painey got off to a bang early in the 06/07 season but when he performed the duel roles of opener/keeper he failed badly. I think he really found a niche late last season as the keeper and no.7 batsman. I'm predicting an Anderson/Dighton opening partnership to start off with next year.
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I believe Tasmania should persist with Sean Clingeleffer as the keeper and open up with Paine in the four-dayers. Paine could then opening the batting in the one-dayers as well as keep and let him focus on opening the batting in the longer version of the game rather than drop him down the order. Paine is good enough to open and burdening him with the gloves for the Sheffield Shield had an obvious effect on his batting last season so giving him the gloves is not improving his game or the Tasmanian team in terms of runs scored. Clingleffer is still a decent bat, let's not forget he did score a century in that Pura Cup final last year against NSW who have the best domestic bowling attack.

Anderson usually bats at three doesn't he? I'd keep him there if that is his usual position. Either one of Paine, Dighton or Lockyear should open.

Tassietigersrule;216583 said:
All of the players mentioned have not only played in Pura Cup winning teams but also had an Australian call-up of some stage. What if these players were in WA? No wonder it's been 9 long seasons since the Warriors won anything. As for us down here at Tassie, 3 cups in 4 years is mainly due to the fact that we've kept our home grown talent together, with a helping hand of some interstate recruits.
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We did win the ING Cup five years ago. ;)

It's an administration problem. Some of the players weren't getting their way and got in a huff about it so they left. The admin weren't really willing to compromise so both parties were on strained terms with each other. In the end, all those players left because they weren't getting their way or there was a lack of opportunity.

It's definitely a problem, one that we probably need to address but when a player cracks it, you can't expect everyone to drop everything just to satisfy their demands.
 
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Ljp86;216599 said:
I believe Tasmania should persist with Sean Clingeleffer as the keeper and open up with Paine in the four-dayers. Paine could then opening the batting in the one-dayers as well as keep and let him focus on opening the batting in the longer version of the game rather than drop him down the order. Paine is good enough to open and burdening him with the gloves for the Sheffield Shield had an obvious effect on his batting last season so giving him the gloves is not improving his game or the Tasmanian team in terms of runs scored. Clingleffer is still a decent bat, let's not forget he did score a century in that Pura Cup final last year against NSW who have the best domestic bowling attack.

Anderson usually bats at three doesn't he? I'd keep him there if that is his usual position. Either one of Paine, Dighton or Lockyear should open.


If worse comes to worse, then Tassie may have to send him up there. Paine can open. You only have to look at the double-century he got against your mob in 2006. However, it's time Tasmania just let him settle in a position and I really do believe he looked at home batting at no.7 and keeping, his batting down there was good. He was rookie listed as a SIXTEEN year old, so the Tigers obviously saw a talent in him.
Let's take into account that he was also brought up as a wicketkeeper-batsman, not a batsman who can keep or a part-time wicketkeeper such as Anderson, Dawson or Dighton. You can be a bit more luxurious in the shorter forms, but in the longer version you should always be trying to pick a specialist wicketkeeper. Painey's tidy behind them.
You can't question Sean Clingeleffer's keeping, but his batting is a bit sub-standard. Sure Cliffy did score a fighting century against NSW in a final but not meaning to discredit him for it, but it was a grafting one and his first in 6 years and only one since then.
And Anderson usually does bat at 3 but can open. In fact, you'd probably have him at 3 and then Birt can bat at no.4, where he is much more comfortable, and then have a Dighton/Lockyear opening combination.
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Tassietigersrule;216620 said:
If worse comes to worse, then Tassie may have to send him up there. Paine can open. You only have to look at the double-century he got against your mob in 2006. However, it's time Tasmania just let him settle in a position and I really do believe he looked at home batting at no.7 and keeping, his batting down there was good. He was rookie listed as a SIXTEEN year old, so the Tigers obviously saw a talent in him.
Let's take into account that he was also brought up as a wicketkeeper-batsman, not a batsman who can keep or a part-time wicketkeeper such as Anderson, Dawson or Dighton. You can be a bit more luxurious in the shorter forms, but in the longer version you should always be trying to pick a specialist wicketkeeper. Painey's tidy behind them.
You can't question Sean Clingeleffer's keeping, but his batting is a bit sub-standard. Sure Cliffy did score a fighting century against NSW in a final but not meaning to discredit him for it, but it was a grafting one and his first in 6 years and only one since then.
And Anderson usually does bat at 3 but can open. In fact, you'd probably have him at 3 and then Birt can bat at no.4, where he is much more comfortable, and then have a Dighton/Lockyear opening combination.
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Players like Gilchrist, Haddin and Dhoni have seen the decline of the traditional keeper in which their primary role is a keeper and then a batter second. Today's game sees the wicketkeeper role as an opportunity for another batter in the side in order to score more runs so the traditional keepers are falling back into the shadows. Clingeleffer isn't the greatest batter but he is no bunny and is still a handy lower order batsman.

I'd open up with Paine and Dighton to start with, then Anderson or Lockyear at three and Birt at four. Whoever missed out would be hot on the heels of those who don't have a good start to the season.
 
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Ljp86;216635 said:
Players like Gilchrist, Haddin and Dhoni have seen the decline of the traditional keeper in which their primary role is a keeper and then a batter second. Today's game sees the wicketkeeper role as an opportunity for another batter in the side in order to score more runs so the traditional keepers are falling back into the shadows. Clingeleffer isn't the greatest batter but he is no bunny and is still a handy lower order batsman.

I'd open up with Paine and Dighton to start with, then Anderson or Lockyear at three and Birt at four. Whoever missed out would be hot on the heels of those who don't have a good start to the season.
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Well I'd pencil in Dighton, he'll be given another chance in the longer version and is a must as an opener for we don't have much better. Maybe Lockyear as the other, and for team balance Birt would have to bat at his unfavourable no.3 spot, allowing Marsh, Bailey and Butterworth to come in at 4,5 and 6, or Painey at 6 and Butterworth at 7. I don't think the Tigers will sacrifice a bowler, you'd have Krejza as the spinner with Hilfenhaus and Geeves to open the attack, with a hopefully fit again Wright or Griffith (if not Drew or McDonald) as the 1st change and Butters and Krezja as the next options. The problem with playing Paine and Clingeleffer in the same team is what if Cliffy gets injured or is in poor form? I still can't see a part-timer been given the gloves. You don't want to be asking Paine to change roles at this stage of his career. I can potentially see a baggy green cap in the future for him with the gloves on too. Clinger's a very good backup option if Paine gets injured or something like that. We have a guy called Brady Jones who looks like a good talent, but don't expect him to make inroads early.
 
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Tassietigersrule;216677 said:
Well I'd pencil in Dighton, he'll be given another chance in the longer version and is a must as an opener for we don't have much better. Maybe Lockyear as the other, and for team balance Birt would have to bat at his unfavourable no.3 spot, allowing Marsh, Bailey and Butterworth to come in at 4,5 and 6, or Painey at 6 and Butterworth at 7. I don't think the Tigers will sacrifice a bowler, you'd have Krejza as the spinner with Hilfenhaus and Geeves to open the attack, with a hopefully fit again Wright or Griffith (if not Drew or McDonald) as the 1st change and Butters and Krezja as the next options. The problem with playing Paine and Clingeleffer in the same team is what if Cliffy gets injured or is in poor form? I still can't see a part-timer been given the gloves. You don't want to be asking Paine to change roles at this stage of his career. I can potentially see a baggy green cap in the future for him with the gloves on too. Clinger's a very good backup option if Paine gets injured or something like that. We have a guy called Brady Jones who looks like a good talent, but don't expect him to make inroads early.
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Butterworth would be at seven, he will be a very good all-rounder.

So perhaps there really isn't room for Clingeleffer at all? Pretty impressive bowling attack, three quicks (most likely Hilfenhaus, Geeves, Wright and Griffith if they play four pace bowlers), Krezja as the spinner and then Butterworth.

Still don't know why Tim MacDonald left us, could have been a regular for WA this season and in the years to come, now he'll have to rely on poor form or injuries to get a game for the Tigers.
 
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