Dvca - How Do We Make It Better?

The Long Room

Active Member
Spoken like someone who's club has only 2 decent bowlers. Doesn't that just make all the other bowlers irrelevant if you're bowling two blokes for the majority of the innings?

A better product by who's standards? I would argue that if more players can be added to the competition with a one day comp, then wouldn't that be the "better product"?
I think it’s not just that clubs have 2 bowlers.. but watching 2 guys run in and bowling a treat for 10-12 over spells is actually a treat to watch. Batsman have to be patient and not play the big shots.
 

burnerboy

Active Member
I agree that one day day cricket makes sense in lower grades logistically, however I'm a firm believer that the Shield grades should play as much two day cricket as possible. The main reasoning behind that being that the bowlers tend to become irrelevant in the one dayers, as they're limited to just eight overs each. The matches then become "bat-offs" with the batsman seeing the dangerous bowlers' off, knowing that they'll be able to cash in on the fourth and fifth bowlers' later in the piece.

In two day cricket you have your best bowlers operating on unlimited overs, which in turn leads to a far better contest between bat and ball. It's just a far better product overall.
Amen brother
 

Artie Bucco

Active Member
More one day games would be good IMO. Teams need to be more dynamic, saw a few sides this year struggle in the shorter format. It's all well and good bowling long spells outside off to a 7-2, but it really becomes more of a habit than a skill for a bowler. Good cricketers will go well in both.
 
More one day games would be good IMO. Teams need to be more dynamic, saw a few sides this year struggle in the shorter format. It's all well and good bowling long spells outside off to a 7-2, but it really becomes more of a habit than a skill for a bowler. Good cricketers will go well in both.
Yes, the elite tend to find a way in all formats/conditions. Agree with that.
 
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Underarm28

Active Member
For the structure next year can we go back to Shield and Shield reserve.

Changes as follows:

Barclay Shield

Banyule (No change)
Diamond Creek (No Change)
Epping (No Change)
Heidelberg (No Change)
Macleod (2nds up from C Grade) - Would be tough as they ended up 2nd bottom, but were not too far off the mark.
North Eltham (No Change)
Research (2nd stat up instead of being relegated to C Grade)
Riverside (No Change)
Rosanna (No Change)
Bundoora Park (Up from D Grade)
Rosebank (Up from D Grade) - Finalists in D Grade

Only Macleod and the winner of the Money Shield final will have to change their 2nd Grade division. Not a big task IMO

Money Shield

Bundoora (No Change)
Bundoora United (Drop from B Grade to C Grade)
Eltham (No Change) Given 2nd won D Grade Grand Final
Lalor (Dro from B Grade) - Would be strong
Lower Eltham (No Change)
Mernda (No Change)
Montmorency (Drop from B Grade)
Plenty (Up from D Grade) Lost D Grade GF
Rosebank or Bundoora Park (Both 2nds would need to jump a grade)
Hurstbridge (Up from D Grade)
Laurimar (No Change)

Mash Shield

Greensborough (Up from E Grade)
Lower Plenty (No Change)
Mill Park (No Change)
Old Paradians (No Change) - 2nds coming back to D Grade
Panton Hill (Up from E Grade)
South Morang (Up from E Grade)
Thomastown (No Change)
Thomastown United (No Change)
Whittlesea (Up from E Grade)

Laurimar and Hurstbridge (See above)

This would make the draw some much easier for all concerned.

3rd Grade would look like.

Banyule (From C Grade)
Diamond Creek (From F2)
Montmorency (From D Grade
Riverside (From C Grade)
Lower Plenty (GF from F1)
Lalor Stars (Finalist in F1)
Rosanna (F1)
Epping (F1)

Rosanna, Epping and Dimond Creek may think the jump is too high. A team like Laurimar or Heidelberg may want to push themselves up.

The above Shiled reserve and 3rd Grade equals the current 48 teams in B, C, D, and E

4th Grade for Riverside would being very strong (but their 5th grade team was under strength).


This draw would stop some clubs 3rds playing against some clubs 5ths.

Just a thought on a Tuesday, cause there is no training.
 

burnerboy

Active Member
For the structure next year can we go back to Shield and Shield reserve.

Changes as follows:

Barclay Shield

Banyule (No change)
Diamond Creek (No Change)
Epping (No Change)
Heidelberg (No Change)
Macleod (2nds up from C Grade) - Would be tough as they ended up 2nd bottom, but were not too far off the mark.
North Eltham (No Change)
Research (2nd stat up instead of being relegated to C Grade)
Riverside (No Change)
Rosanna (No Change)
Bundoora Park (Up from D Grade)
Rosebank (Up from D Grade) - Finalists in D Grade

Only Macleod and the winner of the Money Shield final will have to change their 2nd Grade division. Not a big task IMO

Money Shield

Bundoora (No Change)
Bundoora United (Drop from B Grade to C Grade)
Eltham (No Change) Given 2nd won D Grade Grand Final
Lalor (Dro from B Grade) - Would be strong
Lower Eltham (No Change)
Mernda (No Change)
Montmorency (Drop from B Grade)
Plenty (Up from D Grade) Lost D Grade GF
Rosebank or Bundoora Park (Both 2nds would need to jump a grade)
Hurstbridge (Up from D Grade)
Laurimar (No Change)

Mash Shield

Greensborough (Up from E Grade)
Lower Plenty (No Change)
Mill Park (No Change)
Old Paradians (No Change) - 2nds coming back to D Grade
Panton Hill (Up from E Grade)
South Morang (Up from E Grade)
Thomastown (No Change)
Thomastown United (No Change)
Whittlesea (Up from E Grade)

Laurimar and Hurstbridge (See above)

This would make the draw some much easier for all concerned.

3rd Grade would look like.

Banyule (From C Grade)
Diamond Creek (From F2)
Montmorency (From D Grade
Riverside (From C Grade)
Lower Plenty (GF from F1)
Lalor Stars (Finalist in F1)
Rosanna (F1)
Epping (F1)

Rosanna, Epping and Dimond Creek may think the jump is too high. A team like Laurimar or Heidelberg may want to push themselves up.

The above Shiled reserve and 3rd Grade equals the current 48 teams in B, C, D, and E

4th Grade for Riverside would being very strong (but their 5th grade team was under strength).


This draw would stop some clubs 3rds playing against some clubs 5ths.

Just a thought on a Tuesday, cause there is no training.
Don’t mind it mate. Imo it should always be like that. Makes it a lot easier for fixturing too. However I did notice in BS and MS where applicable, 1s and 2s would play the same clubs on the same weekends if in the same grade. So I can’t see why they wouldn’t just have it like how it used to be! Good shout DV
 

Underarm28

Active Member
Don’t mind it mate. Imo it should always be like that. Makes it a lot easier for fixturing too. However I did notice in BS and MS where applicable, 1s and 2s would play the same clubs on the same weekends if in the same grade. So I can’t see why they wouldn’t just have it like how it used to be! Good shout DV
It will stop many teams playing higher grades.
 

_Blackhawk_

Well-Known Member
So I assume in that proposal there is no relegation/promotion or do you want to go back to the old way where if you're 1s won the flag it also promoted your 2's?
 

Underarm28

Active Member
So I assume in that proposal there is no relegation/promotion or do you want to go back to the old way where if you're 1s won the flag it also promoted your 2's?
Definitely.
Teams who get relegated, usually have a similar standard 2nds.

Lower Eltham and OP’s 2nds didn’t set the world on fire.
 

The Long Room

Active Member
would love to see first and second XI sides play each other.. one home and one away. No reason the games can’t be 70 overs each instead of the 80.. can still start at 1pm and be done the same time.
Probably the best way to blood some of the younger players into better level senior cricket.

Wonder if there would be support for 4 shield grades. 8 teams each shield. Have 2 seasons where bottom 2 get relegated and winner comes up.
 

Underarm28

Active Member
would love to see first and second XI sides play each other.. one home and one away. No reason the games can’t be 70 overs each instead of the 80.. can still start at 1pm and be done the same time.
Probably the best way to blood some of the younger players into better level senior cricket.

Wonder if there would be support for 4 shield grades. 8 teams each shield. Have 2 seasons where bottom 2 get relegated and winner comes up.
4 Shields works from a draws perspective, ie 7 one dayers and 7 2 dayers.

But try and recruit in 4th Grade (That is what the 4th Shield grade is effectively)
 

The Long Room

Active Member
4 Shields works from a draws perspective, ie 7 one dayers and 7 2 dayers.

But try and recruit in 4th Grade (That is what the 4th Shield grade is effectively)
That is a great point, but let’s be honest.. if you’re paying anyone apart from a coach in Mash Shield or below, you would need to look at the club itself.
Develop the juniors there, there will still be juniors regardless. Your club rises the ranks together, when you get into higher shield grades then look to recruit.
 

Areas

New Member
I think the best structure is 8 teams in shield grades playing everyone in a 2 dayer and a one dayer, but if that is the case, the T20 competition must go.

25 or so days* of cricket for a season is way too many.

Judging by Underarms post, the reserve grades need to return. Barely any change at all. Some clubs are going to be strong in reserve grades, and some weaker, but guess what, that's sport.
 

Underarm28

Active Member
I think the best structure is 8 teams in shield grades playing everyone in a 2 dayer and a one dayer, but if that is the case, the T20 competition must go.

25 or so days* of cricket for a season is way too many.

Judging by Underarms post, the reserve grades need to return. Barely any change at all. Some clubs are going to be strong in reserve grades, and some weaker, but guess what, that's sport.
Maybe the DVCA can just adopt it now. Would nake life easy, Maybe I can go on the payroll.
 

PremiersAgain

Active Member
For the structure next year can we go back to Shield and Shield reserve.

Changes as follows:

Barclay Shield

Banyule (No change)
Diamond Creek (No Change)
Epping (No Change)
Heidelberg (No Change)
Macleod (2nds up from C Grade) - Would be tough as they ended up 2nd bottom, but were not too far off the mark.
North Eltham (No Change)
Research (2nd stat up instead of being relegated to C Grade)
Riverside (No Change)
Rosanna (No Change)
Bundoora Park (Up from D Grade)
Rosebank (Up from D Grade) - Finalists in D Grade

Only Macleod and the winner of the Money Shield final will have to change their 2nd Grade division. Not a big task IMO

Money Shield

Bundoora (No Change)
Bundoora United (Drop from B Grade to C Grade)
Eltham (No Change) Given 2nd won D Grade Grand Final
Lalor (Dro from B Grade) - Would be strong
Lower Eltham (No Change)
Mernda (No Change)
Montmorency (Drop from B Grade)
Plenty (Up from D Grade) Lost D Grade GF
Rosebank or Bundoora Park (Both 2nds would need to jump a grade)
Hurstbridge (Up from D Grade)
Laurimar (No Change)

Mash Shield

Greensborough (Up from E Grade)
Lower Plenty (No Change)
Mill Park (No Change)
Old Paradians (No Change) - 2nds coming back to D Grade
Panton Hill (Up from E Grade)
South Morang (Up from E Grade)
Thomastown (No Change)
Thomastown United (No Change)
Whittlesea (Up from E Grade)

Laurimar and Hurstbridge (See above)

This would make the draw some much easier for all concerned.

3rd Grade would look like.

Banyule (From C Grade)
Diamond Creek (From F2)
Montmorency (From D Grade
Riverside (From C Grade)
Lower Plenty (GF from F1)
Lalor Stars (Finalist in F1)
Rosanna (F1)
Epping (F1)

Rosanna, Epping and Dimond Creek may think the jump is too high. A team like Laurimar or Heidelberg may want to push themselves up.

The above Shiled reserve and 3rd Grade equals the current 48 teams in B, C, D, and E

4th Grade for Riverside would being very strong (but their 5th grade team was under strength).


This draw would stop some clubs 3rds playing against some clubs 5ths.

Just a thought on a Tuesday, cause there is no training.
Makes absolute sense… we are losing the club aspect of having a social drink with the opposition after matches which is bloody important

I am still yet to find one club that opposes having Reserve Grades for 2nd XI, make it happenDVCA
 
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