DVCA One Day Competition

[WanderingUnity]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

I would firstly like to congratulate Macleod on going to the effort of putting a proposal together for a formal 1 day competetition this season.

However, I got the vibe at the Pre AGM that there is a few clubs who are against the concept of a formal 1 day grade. With the voting rule specifing that there needs to be 2/3 majority all it will take is a few club to vote no and the concept is shot for another season.

What clubs need to remember is they will not be required to enter a team if the dont want to. So hopefully they dont spoil it for the clubs who are willing to give this comp a go. I know this type of cricket isnt for everyone however there are a heap of people 2 day cricket doesnt suit either.

Don't mean to be jumping on the wagon of the rest of the world, but in this current climate, wouldn't a formal 20/20 comp be more effective.

Open to all clubs, it would give MS sides a chance to play against BS sides, and would also give clubs a chance to make a lot of money on the nights that they are staged.

 

[CowCorner]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

I would firstly like to congratulate Macleod on going to the effort of putting a proposal together for a formal 1 day competetition this season.

However, I got the vibe at the Pre AGM that there is a few clubs who are against the concept of a formal 1 day grade. With the voting rule specifing that there needs to be 2/3 majority all it will take is a few club to vote no and the concept is shot for another season.

What clubs need to remember is they will not be required to enter a team if the dont want to. So hopefully they dont spoil it for the clubs who are willing to give this comp a go. I know this type of cricket isnt for everyone however there are a heap of people 2 day cricket doesnt suit either.

Well said PA, I got the feeling people would be voting against it in its current format, but I, like you agree that voting does not mean you have to have a team, just means we can start a grade of OD games and see where we go from there. I hope it does get a go ahead and we can at least trial it for a year.

 

[CowCorner]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Don't mean to be jumping on the wagon of the rest of the world, but in this current climate, wouldn't a formal 20/20 comp be more effective.

Open to all clubs, it would give MS sides a chance to play against BS sides, and would also give clubs a chance to make a lot of money on the nights that they are staged.

Already a concept being looked at/organised.

I am sure your Club will hear more as time gets closer, it will be volunteer basis and played on Tue/Thu (get a week or two) full rules are being looked at at the moment I believe (white balls, umpires, fixturing issues (ie Whittlesea playing say Eltham is their issues with travel on an evening so do they 'group' Clubs by area to ease that)) I am sure there will be teething problems first off but I am sure it will work. We had three last year and they where a cracker. The winner would be the Club that competes for the DVCA annually for the right to play at the MCG

 

[CowCorner]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

This is an extract from an email sent from the DVCA to Clubs, shows they are on this and from below should be good. I reckon we will hear more much closer to start of season.

Following a meeting between DVCA, NMCA and HDCA on Thursday 3 June it has been decided to coordinate a regional 20/20 competition across all 3 associations.
We are calling for nominations from clubs in DVCA who are interested in participating. Nominations must be with me via email by 1 September.
It is anticipated that there will be a substantial cash prize to the eventual winner of the competition.
The winner will represent the Region in the VMCU series the following season.
Entry fee of $100
There will be a round robin draw in groups of 3 (1 home match, 1 away match)
Groups will be selected from a hat containing all nominated teams.
Clubs to make their own arrangements to complete their matches within specified timeframes (we are suggesting maybe Thursday evenings in place of training).
Possible use of pink balls (trialled by HDCA in 20/20 and found to be very good)
Teams may nominate one (registered) guest player not playing in the three associations or in Premier or VSDCA
Rules will be as per VMCU 20/20 comp.
This is an exciting and progressive move forward for DVCA and I urge all clubs to be involved. Please have your nominations to me by 1 September.

 

[TGAT]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Well said PA, I got the feeling people would be voting against it in its current format, but I, like you agree that voting does not mean you have to have a team, just means we can start a grade of OD games and see where we go from there. I hope it does get a go ahead and we can at least trial it for a year.

Great call!
Just because you don't want to enter a Team doesn't mean it isn't a good idea. It doesn't detract from the competition, it only adds to it. There are many cricketers, old and young, that one day cricket will suit better than two day cricket. Why can't we try to cater for as many cricketers as possible?
We are competing against so many other sports, we should be making it easier for people to play cricket by offerning more options.
For those that don't want to play in a One Day Competition, fine. That's no problem, it will not impact you. But for those that do, then let's give them an opportunity to do so.
I think it's a great idea. But I'm not sure if my club would enter a side straight away. But that won't sway our opinion because it is a good idea. Well done to Mcleod for putting up the idea and the rules

 

[Ex-Prez]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Great call!
Just because you don't want to enter a Team doesn't mean it isn't a good idea. It doesn't detract from the competition, it only adds to it. There are many cricketers, old and young, that one day cricket will suit better than two day cricket. Why can't we try to cater for as many cricketers as possible?
We are competing against so many other sports, we should be making it easier for people to play cricket by offerning more options.
For those that don't want to play in a One Day Competition, fine. That's no problem, it will not impact you. But for those that do, then let's give them an opportunity to do so.
I think it's a great idea. But I'm not sure if my club would enter a side straight away. But that won't sway our opinion because it is a good idea. Well done to Mcleod for putting up the idea and the rules

Absolutely - a one day comp is necessary. If this was a proposal being put forward as a working commitee to ensure it was in next year then i would be all for it.

However - i am not sure we will vote for it in its current format.

A few reasons why:
- I think to get up and running this year is near impossible. Give the DVCA and clubs 12 months notice to recruit players, get the rules right etc... and the comp will fly.

- Playing every week - defeats the purpose of the one day games. Given dads with kids or work commitiments etc... the teams are likely to change significantly one week to the next - an administrative night mare for clubs chasing players every week.
If played every 2 weeks - players can schedule commitments ie kids weekends etc around the dates.

If it comes to the crunch - Bundoora support the concept but not in its current format and will not field a team this year. beleive could easily field 1-2 teams next.

 

[CowCorner]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Absolutely - a one day comp is necessary. If this was a proposal being put forward as a working commitee to ensure it was in next year then i would be all for it.

However - i am not sure we will vote for it in its current format.

A few reasons why:
- I think to get up and running this year is near impossible. Give the DVCA and clubs 12 months notice to recruit players, get the rules right etc... and the comp will fly.

- Playing every week - defeats the purpose of the one day games. Given dads with kids or work commitiments etc... the teams are likely to change significantly one week to the next - an administrative night mare for clubs chasing players every week.
If played every 2 weeks - players can schedule commitments ie kids weekends etc around the dates.

If it comes to the crunch - Bundoora support the concept but not in its current format and will not field a team this year. beleive could easily field 1-2 teams next.

Cannot the rules and set up be changed and organised by the DVCA prior to commencement of season. I know Macleods proposal had they play every week and we did not change that at the Pre-AGM but I would be a shame to not get this going ASAP.

I agree with you 100%, every week defeats the purpose (actually would be plain silly)

 

[stacksonthemill]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

I am puzzled as to why a dedicated one-day grade hasn't been implemented before. I used to play at Templestowe and the BHRDCA has had dedicate one-day grades for around 15 seasons and we used to get players cross the river just to play one-dayers.

Has there ever been a proposal put forward before?

I now live in Perth and every comp has at least one or two one-day grades (one had as many as five grades a few years ago) and most Melbourne comps have them as well.

 

[serg fernandez]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Macleod CC used to have 2 one day teams revolving around 30 players in the HDCA and moving to DVCA has seen the end of these teams and players have moved on. We used to have some great games against Greensborough and I'm pretty sure they would be in the same boat as us. With the re-introduction of a one day comp, I'm positive that this will enable Macleod CC to grow as a club again. Players who can no longer stay in the field for an entire day due to ageing bones and weight ( fat bastards like me ), who enjoy their cricket, would relish the opportunity to put the whites on again for one day cricket. Plus, any excuse to get away from the missus for 5 or so hours...

 

[WanderingUnity]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

This is an extract from an email sent from the DVCA to Clubs, shows they are on this and from below should be good. I reckon we will hear more much closer to start of season.

Does anyone know how many teams would be involved in this competition??

 

[WanderingUnity]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Cannot the rules and set up be changed and organised by the DVCA prior to commencement of season. I know Macleods proposal had they play every week and we did not change that at the Pre-AGM but I would be a shame to not get this going ASAP.

I agree with you 100%, every week defeats the purpose (actually would be plain silly)

I think that this is a great idea, to have a specialised one day comp, whether played every week, or every second week, for those of us who are getting on a bit in age.

Would think that it has to be run on Saturdays though, if it was on Sundays, then blokes unavailable for senior duties would play and ruin what would be seen as a semi-serious comp at best.

 

[CowCorner]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Does anyone know how many teams would be involved in this competition??

Would need 8 teams I believe but would need 75% of vote to get through.

I think that this is a great idea, to have a specialised one day comp, whether played every week, or every second week, for those of us who are getting on a bit in age.

Would think that it has to be run on Saturdays though, if it was on Sundays, then blokes unavailable for senior duties would play and ruin what would be seen as a semi-serious comp at best.

Rules would be in place that would stop this happening, hopefully. BS/MS would not be allowed to play at all, 1 game of BS/MS and you are ineligible.

Vote tomorrow night, we will see.

 

[Nawab of Pautadi]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

I think that this is a great idea, to have a specialised one day comp, whether played every week, or every second week, for those of us who are getting on a bit in age.

Would think that it has to be run on Saturdays though, if it was on Sundays, then blokes unavailable for senior duties would play and ruin what would be seen as a semi-serious comp at best.

Therein lies the dilemma. Not enough grounds available now to host Saturday matches. Placing this one day comp in on Saturdays will only mean that more senior games will have to be played on Sunday. From my understanding the players are loath to play Sundays as evidenced by Barclay and Money Shield opting for a compromised draw with one dayers included.

 

[northmetroboy]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Therein lies the dilemma. Not enough grounds available now to host Saturday matches. Placing this one day comp in on Saturdays will only mean that more senior games will have to be played on Sunday. From my understanding the players are loath to play Sundays as evidenced by Barclay and Money Shield opting for a compromised draw with one dayers included.

my work colleague is involved with epping cc...he tells me that 14 clubs voted against the one day comp (he is not sure if his own club is one of them!!)....if so that is a disgrace.

what do kids like to watch on tv?? 20/20 and one day cricket!! the dvca is 'thinking about' going in a 20/20 comp this year with us (nmca) and hdca....thinking about it?? whats to think about?????? its the year 2010
hello!!!!

i always thought the dvca admin were behind the times, but it would appear that 14 clubs just dont get it either!

there is talk on these forums the one day comp will get up next year...boohoo....in the meantime prob cost the comp a few more players...anyone wanting to play casually in a one day comp...hdca and nmca will accomadate you

did an ambulance need to be called when it was announced that a 4 piece is being used????????

got some good players in the dvca, but its the most backward comp in victoria. look at the 1980's grading structure you just went back to

 

[WanderingUnity]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

my work colleague is involved with epping cc...he tells me that 14 clubs voted against the one day comp (he is not sure if his own club is one of them!!)....if so that is a disgrace.

what do kids like to watch on tv?? 20/20 and one day cricket!! the dvca is 'thinking about' going in a 20/20 comp this year with us (nmca) and hdca....thinking about it?? whats to think about?????? its the year 2010
hello!!!!

i always thought the dvca admin were behind the times, but it would appear that 14 clubs just dont get it either!

there is talk on these forums the one day comp will get up next year...boohoo....in the meantime prob cost the comp a few more players...anyone wanting to play casually in a one day comp...hdca and nmca will accomadate you

did an ambulance need to be called when it was announced that a 4 piece is being used????????

got some good players in the dvca, but its the most backward comp in victoria. look at the 1980's grading structure you just went back to

It is not about what kids want to watch on tv. One day comps are brought in so that older players can play for a longer period of time and can not stand the rigours of 80 overs in the field, and that some players who can't commit to 2 weeks, can play 'casually' in a comp.

We want our kids / future to be playing in 2 day games, learning how to bat for 30 overs, see off the new ball, learn the fundamentals of 'TEST' cricket, not worry about one day cricket every week.

I think that the 20/20 should be brought in, there is nothing to 'think about', it is a no brainer, it is a fundraising opportunity for all clubs, as the format will allow for all clubs to have a home game, so run raffles, bbq's and events, and this night could even cover the cost of the new 4 pce balls that are coming in.

 

[100% BULL]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

my work colleague is involved with epping cc...he tells me that 14 clubs voted against the one day comp (he is not sure if his own club is one of them!!)....if so that is a disgrace.

what do kids like to watch on tv?? 20/20 and one day cricket!! the dvca is 'thinking about' going in a 20/20 comp this year with us (nmca) and hdca....thinking about it?? whats to think about?????? its the year 2010
hello!!!!

i always thought the dvca admin were behind the times, but it would appear that 14 clubs just dont get it either!

there is talk on these forums the one day comp will get up next year...boohoo....in the meantime prob cost the comp a few more players...anyone wanting to play casually in a one day comp...hdca and nmca will accomadate you

did an ambulance need to be called when it was announced that a 4 piece is being used????????

got some good players in the dvca, but its the most backward comp in victoria. look at the 1980's grading structure you just went back to

Nth Metro boy you just dont get it, the DVCA isnt the NMCA or HDCA, and thank god for that. I dont have a huge issue with having a well thought through one day comp, if that takes a coule of seasons to come about then so be it. The DVCA is a great comp and despite some rumblings is well run and in good shape.

 

[F Troop]

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Nth Metro boy you just dont get it, the DVCA isnt the NMCA or HDCA, and thank god for that. I dont have a huge issue with having a well thought through one day comp, if that takes a couple of seasons to come about then so be it. The DVCA is a great comp and despite some rumblings is well run and in good shape.[/Q

agree 110%

 

[F Troop]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

Nth Metro boy you just dont get it, the DVCA isnt the NMCA or HDCA, and thank god for that. I dont have a huge issue with having a well thought through one day comp, if that takes a coule of seasons to come about then so be it. The DVCA is a great comp and despite some rumblings is well run and in good shape.

agree 110%

 

[WanderingUnity]

Re: DVCA One Day Competition

agree 110%

Must agree totally that the DVCA is in great nick, as shown over the past week, with the decision to go to the 4 pce ball, which will be great for the game, and will speed up the timeframe that the council will have to fix up some of the grounds.

But also on the way the fixturing has come out, very fair to all sides, only 1 one day game, only 1 sunday game, for both top end grades, a great fixture that I have not heard anything negative from.

 

[brutal]

Just saw the proposed 1 day comp format that was discussed at the delegates meeting last night, must say I`m a tad confused bye it! The proposal is for it to be played on the alternate Sunday to the Vets comp, 30 over a side to start at 11am game with batsmen to retire on compiling 50 runs. I think this is a bit of a Mickey Mouse idea. Firstly I cannot see who this one day comp is targetted at. From the discussions that I have had with former members of my club and people from other clubs, it should have been about some of those 17-25 year olds that are either can`t be bothered with 2 day cricket and fielding for 68-80 overs or the same age group and others that have work commitments due to to rostering that means they are available one week but perhaps not the next. Some of these mentioned are currently playing in HDCA or ESCA 1 day comps on a Saturday. How many of these people are going to get out of bed and commit to 1 dayers on a Sunday that start at 11am after probably getting home at 4-6am in the morning after there big Saturday night? Seriously why can`t the 1 day comp be played on a Saturday and take the place of G,H or I grade? Do these grades need to play 2 day cricket, when most of the games are either won on the first week or very early on 2nd? And why the 30 overs per side and the 50 run retirement? If someone can explain this to me I`d be grateful!