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Haddin - do you rate him as a keeper?

Hey all, just after your thoughts on Haddin, I personally think while he is good with the bat his keeping and decision making skills are well below par.

Ronchi is a better keeper by miles and swings the bat a bit like much like Gilly.

I say out with Haddin and in with Ronchi.

Your thoughts?
 
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Not on the form Ronchi is in ATM.

I also think that Haddin's batting is very useful for the aussies.
 
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You don't get much more incosistent than Luke Ronchi so he probably should only play T20's for Australia.

Keep with Haddin for at least SA & England tours.
 
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Haddin's glovework is decent. Good enough for the Aussie team. I think as a keeper it is important to be a good batsman. Any runs he gives away he can make back with the bat. He is an important keeper for us, keep him in.

Actually rating his wicketkeeping skills... they aren't as bad as what others think. His decision making might be a little bit dodgy, and his keeping suffers from it a bit but his batting makes him the best choice in Australia, by far.
 
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Haddin's keeping was poor when he first arrived on the Test scene. However, he is actually a very good gloveman usually, and he showed signs in the last two series that he was getting back towards his best. I would say it was very much a confidence issue, as his glovework has always been one of his genuine strengths.

As for his batting, after that breakthrough 160 odd, he is now strutting around the crease and looking like a genuinely terrific batsman. He's hitting it off the middle, he's willing to play square of the pitch when necessary (something he was reluctant to do in his first few innings, leading to him being tied down and resorting to stupid shots), while still utilising his primary batting strength, straight down the pitch, to get most of his runs.

He's no Gilly, but he's the best keeper in the country. He just took a few Tests to get going is all.
 
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Haddin is copping alot of bad critisism because of how much gilly was loved and this is keeping alot of people from actualy watching him play
if they did they would appreciate what a good player he is with the gloves and also the bat
he is a great addition to the team and hopefully people stop comparing him to gilchrist who was a great keeper but haddin is also a great player and has only just came onto the test scene wait a little while and you'll wish he never retires
 
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siddle2franklin;307385 said:
Haddin is copping alot of bad critisism because of how much gilly was loved and this is keeping alot of people from actualy watching him play
if they did they would appreciate what a good player he is with the gloves and also the bat
he is a great addition to the team and hopefully people stop comparing him to gilchrist who was a great keeper but haddin is also a great player and has only just came onto the test scene wait a little while and you'll wish he never retires
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That post had some certain qualities about it, can't quite put my finger on it yet. Might have to listen to the radio a bit more.
 
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thewest;307332 said:
Hey all, just after your thoughts on Haddin, I personally think while he is good with the bat his keeping and decision making skills are well below par.

Ronchi is a better keeper by miles and swings the bat a bit like much like Gilly.

I say out with Haddin and in with Ronchi.

Your thoughts?
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he is a very bad keeper
i am sure there are much better keepers than him in australia but he is also a very useful batsmen
 
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swifty_147;307484 said:
he is a very bad keeper
i am sure there are much better keepers than him in australia but he is also a very useful batsmen
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I think to say he is a very bad keeper is a bit harsh.

Sure he has some problems with the gloves at times but I think it is a bit harsh to say he is a very bad keeper.
 
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grapedo;307526 said:
I think to say he is a very bad keeper is a bit harsh.

Sure he has some problems with the gloves at times but I think it is a bit harsh to say he is a very bad keeper.
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yeah well fair enough

but he is not a good keeper
he is more of a batter than a keeper
 
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swifty_147;307681 said:
yeah well fair enough

but he is not a good keeper
he is more of a batter than a keeper
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Obviously but I would prefer him then someone like Crosswaith who is a terrifc keeper but would average 25 tops in test match cricket.
 
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I have been very dissapointing with Haddin's keeping. He's been keeping like a mug and is possibly the worst keeper in the world at the moment which is a shame as I used to rate his keeping highly before he made his debut.

As for Ronchi I do like his keeping but his batting for his state hasn't been good. I would like to see him bat down the oarder and not open and give himself a better chance for his state.
 
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gbatman;307940 said:
is possibly the worst keeper in the world at the moment


As for Ronchi I do like his keeping but his batting for his state hasn't been good.
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Haddin is nowhere near the worst keeper in the World.

Prior (England) - Haddin easily
Dhoni (India) - Haddin easily
Boucher (South Africa) - On form, Boucher
Sangakkara (Sri Lanka) - Sangakkara
Akmal (Pakistan) - Haddin
Ramdin (West Indies) - Haddin easily
McCullum (New Zealand) - McCullum

That's obviously just my opinion, but 4th out of the top 8 test nations is by no means a failure. Even in his prime Gilchrist missed one or two chances per test that someone like Healy would have taken, but that gets quickly forgotten when he goes and smashes a century. Haddin will be an excellent keeper for Australia for a few years to come.

As for Ronchi, he's probably the least impressive keeper in domestic cricket (With the possible exception of Hartley). Ronchi gets a look-in because of his explosive batting, he would never get a game in front of Haddin, Paine, Manou, Crosthwaite or even Wade without his batting ability.
 
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BabyBlues;307372 said:
Haddin's keeping was poor when he first arrived on the Test scene. However, he is actually a very good gloveman usually, and he showed signs in the last two series that he was getting back towards his best. I would say it was very much a confidence issue,
BabyBlues;307372 said:
Haddin's keeping was poor when he first arrived on the Test scene. However, he is actually a very good gloveman usually, and he showed signs in the last two series that he was getting back towards his best. I would say it was very much a confidence issue, as his glovework has always been one of his genuine strengths.

As for his batting, after that breakthrough 160 odd, he is now strutting around the crease and looking like a genuinely terrific batsman. He's hitting it off the middle, he's willing to play square of the pitch when necessary (something he was reluctant to do in his first few innings, leading to him being tied down and resorting to stupid shots), while still utilising his primary batting strength, straight down the pitch, to get most of his runs.

He's no Gilly, but he's the best keeper in the country. He just took a few Tests to get going is all.
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As for his batting, after that breakthrough 160 odd, he is now strutting around the crease and looking like a genuinely terrific batsman. He's hitting it off the middle, he's willing to play square of the pitch when necessary (something he was reluctant to do in his first few innings, leading to him being tied down and resorting to stupid shots), while still utilising his primary batting strength, straight down the pitch, to get most of his runs.

He's no Gilly, but he's the best keeper in the country. He just took a few Tests to get going is all.
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You lot who think you know about cricket have absolutely no idea, I have done my level three coaching and have recently spoken to John Buchanan about Haddin, and he said to me that he is actually "quietly dissapointed" that Haddin was picked, if you watch Haddin keeping, he comes up to early, does not take the ball away from his body at the furthest point, he hardly uses the balls of his feet, and his batting, which is apparently his strong point, why has he just thrown his wicket away hey, we have been searching for runs, and he has been left with the tail a few times, but geesh, our "tail" can bat, Siddle has come in and made the proteas attack look like a nar nar goon west 4ths XI look good. and he bats X!, if he was such a good player, and a leader (which he was for NSW) then why has he thrown his wicket away.

Please, a couple of younger blokes in the wings will get a look in, Tim Paine will be Australias next keeper, unless someone comes out of no where soon, Wade isnt that good with the bat, he is getting better but Paine is a good bat, and probably the best keeper batsmen waiting in the wings.
 
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Haddin is alot better batsman than every domestic keeper waiting in the wings. There is no point bringing in a bloke who is worse with the bat just because he will value his wicket.
 
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Opening88;307998 said:
You lot who think you know about cricket have absolutely no idea, I have done my level three coaching and have recently spoken to John Buchanan about Haddin, and he said to me that he is actually "quietly dissapointed" that Haddin was picked, if you watch Haddin keeping, he comes up to early, does not take the ball away from his body at the furthest point, he hardly uses the balls of his feet, and his batting, which is apparently his strong point, why has he just thrown his wicket away hey, we have been searching for runs, and he has been left with the tail a few times, but geesh, our "tail" can bat, Siddle has come in and made the proteas attack look like a nar nar goon west 4ths XI look good. and he bats X!, if he was such a good player, and a leader (which he was for NSW) then why has he thrown his wicket away.

Please, a couple of younger blokes in the wings will get a look in, Tim Paine will be Australias next keeper, unless someone comes out of no where soon, Wade isnt that good with the bat, he is getting better but Paine is a good bat, and probably the best keeper batsmen waiting in the wings.
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I disagree, Haddin has done his time waiting in the wings and is ready to play test match cricket. He is not dis-similar to Adam Gilchrist except Adam had the mental toughness to get a start and continue on, this was only evident once he established himself at test level. Give Haddin some time to establish himself then I think he will be fine.

He has "thrown" his wicket away batting the way he does, batsmen like that are bound to get out looking terrible at times, but when they are posting big scores batting down the order, no-one is complaining.

As for your Buchanan name-dropping and your Level 3 coaching accreditation, I can only assume you're coaching 1st Class Cricket somewhere? :confused: And another thing I doubt Buchanan would even publicly let his feelings known towards the appointment of Brad Haddin.
 
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grapedo;308011 said:
Haddin is alot better batsman than every domestic keeper waiting in the wings. There is no point bringing in a bloke who is worse with the bat just because he will value his wicket.
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100 % agree which is a rareity for myself and the grapedo :D
 
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Haddin always has been and always will be a poor keeper, only problem for him is unlike Gilly who wasnt that much better, Haddin wont be such a great batsman and the side wont be winning so easily that people will ignore his mistakes
 
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eddiesmith;308058 said:
Haddin always has been and always will be a poor keeper, only problem for him is unlike Gilly who wasnt that much better, Haddin wont be such a great batsman and the side wont be winning so easily that people will ignore his mistakes
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If the selectors think haddin has a weakness it will be exposed becuase there is no hiding when playing for a losing team.
 
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