Re: I hate ICC
There is absolutely no doubt that the World Cup was poorly run. From the minnows playing, to the lopsided matches, the poor crowds, the extreme length of the tournament, the Grand Final debacle as well as other events have given cricket itself poor coverage around the world.
After sitting back and watching the tournament and now knowing that it is over, I feel that holding the Cup in the West Indies was a poor choice of location. This was the start of the many problems the tournament had.
Some of the countries located within the "West Indies" have small populations of only 100,000 people which is not enough to sustain crowds adequate enough for matches not involving the host nation. You could also argue that many of the grounds were not up to standard. From some of the games I watched, I was amazed at how poor some of the grounds were. For instance, some areas of grounds had little grass cover with some parts consisting of little grass and mostly dirt as well as dodgy surfaces. It had a very similar feeling to the 2004 Athens Olympics. It seemed as if the West Indies were rushed into the tournament and it almost looked as if they weren't ready to host it which is what happened at Athens with many venues and other constructions rushed to completion
The Australia vs Bangladesh game in the Super Eights stage was a prime example of this. For a location that is within the tropics, some of the grounds were very average, you'd think with the amount of rainfall they get, the grass would be a healthy green colour and would have good drainage. Even Mark Nicholas, the English commentator had a go at the tournament, having a crack at the wet weather equipment that was used in the Australia vs Bangladesh match as well as the surface itself which was quite spongy in parts, which points to poor design.
Then we have the crowds issue. There is no way that some of these countries would be able to get sell-out matches, a population of 100,000 is not going to completely fill a stadium with a capacity of 30,000 people with two neutral nations playing (i.e not involving West Indies). Nuh-uh, sorry, won't happen. And despite efforts to get as many people to the games as possible, the regulations and ticket prices were ridiculous. No wonder many West Indians stayed away. No spectators were allowed to take in their own food or drink and were instead forced to buy food and drinks at inflated prices. And that was if you even went. Ticket prices were outrageous with many West Indies having to spend more that half their week's wages just to buy tickets.
Then we had the actual games. Many of the pool games were one-sided due to the vast gulf in talent between the countries. Countries like Bermuda and Canada had no chance against the stronger teams with the Bermuda side giving up over 400 runs to the Indians in one group match. Perhaps there were too many teams in the tournament and maybe there shouldn't be as many minnow countries as there was?
There was also the surprise departures of India and Pakistan who both failed to make the Super Eights stage and then Pakistan coach Bob Wooler's death which didn't help the ICC's cause. India and Pakistan are two countries that are well supported, they also generate a lot of income for the ICC, India especially.
And of course, we have the Super Eight stage which went for about a month. The ICC showed very little knowledge towards this part of the tournament. Only having one match per day was a joke and the sole reason for having it this way was money, absolutely no doubt about it. The Cup dragged on and on while the ICC reaped the rewards of this and gathered dollar after dollar. It was pathetic.
And then we have the final. The umpires and match referee, Jeff Crowe got it completely wrong. As if the tournament itself wasn't full of drama, we then have the umpires getting the rules wrong and having to play three overs in the dark after it had been announced that Australia were the tournament champions. How could they get such a simple rule wrong?
In the end, this tournament reeks of the ICC's intense greed for money. That was their sole purpose and while it probably worked it has been done at the detriment of the game. Cricket's reputation has no doubt taken a hit over this. This tournament is supposed to showcase the sport and is the biggest thing on Cricket calendar. But it has been used by the ICC to generate its further need for dollars at the expense of the game.
Malcolm Speed has got to go. No question about it. He is an absolute muppet. Other board members and directors need to go too. These people have made the ICC look incredibly stupid and they are doing nothing to help the progress of the game in current cricketing countries and the ones they are trying to develop. They are incompetent and they are driven by one thing, money, and that is very sad. We need to get someone else in there and as soon as possible. Someone who is capable of running the sport efficiently and in the best interests of the sport and not just the organization that runs it. I saw on another site that a person had mentioned Tony Doidemade. Perhaps he could be the answer but one thing is certain and that is some changes are needed at the top of the ICC tree. Let's hope they happen sooner rather than later.
There is absolutely no doubt that the World Cup was poorly run. From the minnows playing, to the lopsided matches, the poor crowds, the extreme length of the tournament, the Grand Final debacle as well as other events have given cricket itself poor coverage around the world.
After sitting back and watching the tournament and now knowing that it is over, I feel that holding the Cup in the West Indies was a poor choice of location. This was the start of the many problems the tournament had.
Some of the countries located within the "West Indies" have small populations of only 100,000 people which is not enough to sustain crowds adequate enough for matches not involving the host nation. You could also argue that many of the grounds were not up to standard. From some of the games I watched, I was amazed at how poor some of the grounds were. For instance, some areas of grounds had little grass cover with some parts consisting of little grass and mostly dirt as well as dodgy surfaces. It had a very similar feeling to the 2004 Athens Olympics. It seemed as if the West Indies were rushed into the tournament and it almost looked as if they weren't ready to host it which is what happened at Athens with many venues and other constructions rushed to completion
The Australia vs Bangladesh game in the Super Eights stage was a prime example of this. For a location that is within the tropics, some of the grounds were very average, you'd think with the amount of rainfall they get, the grass would be a healthy green colour and would have good drainage. Even Mark Nicholas, the English commentator had a go at the tournament, having a crack at the wet weather equipment that was used in the Australia vs Bangladesh match as well as the surface itself which was quite spongy in parts, which points to poor design.
Then we have the crowds issue. There is no way that some of these countries would be able to get sell-out matches, a population of 100,000 is not going to completely fill a stadium with a capacity of 30,000 people with two neutral nations playing (i.e not involving West Indies). Nuh-uh, sorry, won't happen. And despite efforts to get as many people to the games as possible, the regulations and ticket prices were ridiculous. No wonder many West Indians stayed away. No spectators were allowed to take in their own food or drink and were instead forced to buy food and drinks at inflated prices. And that was if you even went. Ticket prices were outrageous with many West Indies having to spend more that half their week's wages just to buy tickets.
Then we had the actual games. Many of the pool games were one-sided due to the vast gulf in talent between the countries. Countries like Bermuda and Canada had no chance against the stronger teams with the Bermuda side giving up over 400 runs to the Indians in one group match. Perhaps there were too many teams in the tournament and maybe there shouldn't be as many minnow countries as there was?
There was also the surprise departures of India and Pakistan who both failed to make the Super Eights stage and then Pakistan coach Bob Wooler's death which didn't help the ICC's cause. India and Pakistan are two countries that are well supported, they also generate a lot of income for the ICC, India especially.
And of course, we have the Super Eight stage which went for about a month. The ICC showed very little knowledge towards this part of the tournament. Only having one match per day was a joke and the sole reason for having it this way was money, absolutely no doubt about it. The Cup dragged on and on while the ICC reaped the rewards of this and gathered dollar after dollar. It was pathetic.
And then we have the final. The umpires and match referee, Jeff Crowe got it completely wrong. As if the tournament itself wasn't full of drama, we then have the umpires getting the rules wrong and having to play three overs in the dark after it had been announced that Australia were the tournament champions. How could they get such a simple rule wrong?
In the end, this tournament reeks of the ICC's intense greed for money. That was their sole purpose and while it probably worked it has been done at the detriment of the game. Cricket's reputation has no doubt taken a hit over this. This tournament is supposed to showcase the sport and is the biggest thing on Cricket calendar. But it has been used by the ICC to generate its further need for dollars at the expense of the game.
Malcolm Speed has got to go. No question about it. He is an absolute muppet. Other board members and directors need to go too. These people have made the ICC look incredibly stupid and they are doing nothing to help the progress of the game in current cricketing countries and the ones they are trying to develop. They are incompetent and they are driven by one thing, money, and that is very sad. We need to get someone else in there and as soon as possible. Someone who is capable of running the sport efficiently and in the best interests of the sport and not just the organization that runs it. I saw on another site that a person had mentioned Tony Doidemade. Perhaps he could be the answer but one thing is certain and that is some changes are needed at the top of the ICC tree. Let's hope they happen sooner rather than later.
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will_85
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Re: I hate ICC
look out u will get a pm soon
Ljp86;156834 said:
look out u will get a pm soon
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Chandu
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Re: I hate ICC
Good post Ljp.
Also:
Malcolm Speed: Woolmer's death and the poor ending to the long-drawn tournament could hurt the game's image
The problem with ICC started when dirty, greedy politicians took it over. There should be no place for slimy politicians or lawyers who have no passion or love for the sport to be running this organization. Malcolm Speed, Percy Sonn, these guys are crook businessmen, lawyers from Australia and South Africa respectively. The next name being touted unfortunately is Sharad Pawar, who is another slimy politician in a similar mold from India. These are not cricket people. These are money hungry, slimy liars (and in some cases lawyers, not a coincidence).
On top of that there have been too many other bad issues, like the steroid scandal with Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Asif which was somehow shoved under the rug. It's not known for certain if the curse of match-fixing has been completely eradicated. Nobody knows yet if that's why Bob Woolmer died. Not to mention Hansie Cronje took a lot of knowledge about match-fixing dirty deeds to his grave, in the unfortunate circumstances under which he died. There was the "could've been ball-tampering" scandal of forfeited Oval test match, which was not resolved in the best manner. The list of such problems goes on and on and on.
Another unrelated problem is in India, BCCI which happens to be the richest cricket board in the world, they have prostituted the sport to show-business and big money sponsors. None of whom are really helping with the growth or development of the sport at all. The money from Hero Honda, MRF Tyres, Pepsi etc., none of it used for youth academies, advancement of fitness techniques, none of that. If Sharad Pawar becomes the next head of ICC, this will be extrapolated and entire ICC will be run like a media circus and some kind of freak show with the executives of Hero Honda, Sony Television etc. calling the shots. ICC will continue to schedule too many meaningless tournaments thinking people will keep paying for tickets, or TV companies will keep bidding for media rights. Well guess what? If they stay on this path, people will stop going to matches or watching them on TV, and advertising sponsorship money will dry out.
It's about time cricket is reclaimed back by cricket people and not lawyers and politicians and corporate sponsors.
I've never heard of Tony Doidemade and so have no idea if he could solve the problem. In fact, I don't know if one guy alone can solve the problem. It shouldn't just become one set of incompetence replacing another set of incompetence.
Anyway, I had also posted these couple of articles in this other thread I had created, before the final. They both talk about this problem with poor reception for the World Cup in West Indies, which you mentioned. Maybe time for a thread-merge.
What troubles you about the ICC's running of the game?
ICC has killed cricket in West Indies
http://www.bigcricket.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=122
Good post Ljp.
Also:
Malcolm Speed: Woolmer's death and the poor ending to the long-drawn tournament could hurt the game's image
The problem with ICC started when dirty, greedy politicians took it over. There should be no place for slimy politicians or lawyers who have no passion or love for the sport to be running this organization. Malcolm Speed, Percy Sonn, these guys are crook businessmen, lawyers from Australia and South Africa respectively. The next name being touted unfortunately is Sharad Pawar, who is another slimy politician in a similar mold from India. These are not cricket people. These are money hungry, slimy liars (and in some cases lawyers, not a coincidence).
On top of that there have been too many other bad issues, like the steroid scandal with Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Asif which was somehow shoved under the rug. It's not known for certain if the curse of match-fixing has been completely eradicated. Nobody knows yet if that's why Bob Woolmer died. Not to mention Hansie Cronje took a lot of knowledge about match-fixing dirty deeds to his grave, in the unfortunate circumstances under which he died. There was the "could've been ball-tampering" scandal of forfeited Oval test match, which was not resolved in the best manner. The list of such problems goes on and on and on.
Another unrelated problem is in India, BCCI which happens to be the richest cricket board in the world, they have prostituted the sport to show-business and big money sponsors. None of whom are really helping with the growth or development of the sport at all. The money from Hero Honda, MRF Tyres, Pepsi etc., none of it used for youth academies, advancement of fitness techniques, none of that. If Sharad Pawar becomes the next head of ICC, this will be extrapolated and entire ICC will be run like a media circus and some kind of freak show with the executives of Hero Honda, Sony Television etc. calling the shots. ICC will continue to schedule too many meaningless tournaments thinking people will keep paying for tickets, or TV companies will keep bidding for media rights. Well guess what? If they stay on this path, people will stop going to matches or watching them on TV, and advertising sponsorship money will dry out.
It's about time cricket is reclaimed back by cricket people and not lawyers and politicians and corporate sponsors.
I've never heard of Tony Doidemade and so have no idea if he could solve the problem. In fact, I don't know if one guy alone can solve the problem. It shouldn't just become one set of incompetence replacing another set of incompetence.
Anyway, I had also posted these couple of articles in this other thread I had created, before the final. They both talk about this problem with poor reception for the World Cup in West Indies, which you mentioned. Maybe time for a thread-merge.
What troubles you about the ICC's running of the game?
ICC has killed cricket in West Indies
http://www.bigcricket.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=122
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The exact same thing has happened in Zimbabwe. You could even argue that Zimbabwe's situation is more "advanced" than the ICC's. Politics has completely taken over there with the corrupt Zimbabwe government having an indirect influence on what happens with Zimbabwean cricket. People like Peter Chingoka and Ozias Bvute (who is involved in the government) are killing the sport over there and there motives are purely political. Bvute had little influence on Zimbabwe cricket before it fell apart but he rose to power and is now a prominent figure.
There will always be politics in sport even at junior level, I have experienced it myself. You will never be able to get rid of it though, it will always be there but I agree with you Chandu, politicians don't belong in sport, many know little about the game and are just there to exert power.
Here's a quote from a very famous cricket player and commentator,
"There are more politics in sport than there is in politics." - Richie Benaud
None of it has been dealt with properly. Asif and Akhtar getting off was a joke. Asif and Akhtar should have been banned, the Pakistan board was weak and used a flimsy excuse for their re-instatement,
"Whoopsy, we didn't know they couldn't take illegal drugs."
I am surprised that WADA hasn't had more of a say in this and the ICC as well. They should have taken a firmer stance and imposed their own penalties either on the players or on the PCB.
The other situations have been kept hush-hush or haven't been resolved in the appropriate manner which is poor management and weak-mindedness.
This could be an explanation as to why India didn't do so well in the World Cup. Despite being the richest board and having a population of over 1 billion people they still didn't make the Super Eights stage which is a major fall from grace for them, they were second in 2003.
Even if they are getting a lot of money through corporate sponsors and such, they should at least be using the money to develop the sport and try and improve facilites, academies and the sport at grass-roots level.
Looks like a massive misuse of power and funds by the BCCI.
Doidemade and James Sutherland are responsible for the administration side of Australia's success of late. Doidemade was also a prominent figure in Western Australian cricket also.
Chandu;156854 said:
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Chandu said:
The exact same thing has happened in Zimbabwe. You could even argue that Zimbabwe's situation is more "advanced" than the ICC's. Politics has completely taken over there with the corrupt Zimbabwe government having an indirect influence on what happens with Zimbabwean cricket. People like Peter Chingoka and Ozias Bvute (who is involved in the government) are killing the sport over there and there motives are purely political. Bvute had little influence on Zimbabwe cricket before it fell apart but he rose to power and is now a prominent figure.
There will always be politics in sport even at junior level, I have experienced it myself. You will never be able to get rid of it though, it will always be there but I agree with you Chandu, politicians don't belong in sport, many know little about the game and are just there to exert power.
Here's a quote from a very famous cricket player and commentator,
"There are more politics in sport than there is in politics." - Richie Benaud
Chandu said:
None of it has been dealt with properly. Asif and Akhtar getting off was a joke. Asif and Akhtar should have been banned, the Pakistan board was weak and used a flimsy excuse for their re-instatement,
"Whoopsy, we didn't know they couldn't take illegal drugs."
I am surprised that WADA hasn't had more of a say in this and the ICC as well. They should have taken a firmer stance and imposed their own penalties either on the players or on the PCB.
The other situations have been kept hush-hush or haven't been resolved in the appropriate manner which is poor management and weak-mindedness.
Chandu said:
This could be an explanation as to why India didn't do so well in the World Cup. Despite being the richest board and having a population of over 1 billion people they still didn't make the Super Eights stage which is a major fall from grace for them, they were second in 2003.
Even if they are getting a lot of money through corporate sponsors and such, they should at least be using the money to develop the sport and try and improve facilites, academies and the sport at grass-roots level.
Looks like a massive misuse of power and funds by the BCCI.
Chandu said:
Doidemade and James Sutherland are responsible for the administration side of Australia's success of late. Doidemade was also a prominent figure in Western Australian cricket also.
schwab2clarkson
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Re: I hate ICC
When you guys don't do your job properly and carry on like small children it's not only me resorting to personal attacks.
Shut your trap Chandu.
Ljp86;156834 said:
When you guys don't do your job properly and carry on like small children it's not only me resorting to personal attacks.
Shut your trap Chandu.
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Chandu
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Re: I hate ICC
Hey, where is mine?
Absolutely. Honey attracts flies.
Thanks, hadn't heard much of Dodemaide before. I guess he had actually played for Australia for a short time, but I had stopped following cricket actively during that period.
Whoever is running ICC, they have to be "dyed in the wool" cricket people, have to be interested in the growth of the sport with a passion, and must have strong business brain. One other critical requirement is balancing out politics among various cricket boards. There is too much politics within ICC. I'm not convinced having a single executive on top with strongly divided motives among boards is the correct solution.
Ljp86;156861 said:Rep.
Hey, where is mine?
Absolutely. Honey attracts flies.
Thanks, hadn't heard much of Dodemaide before. I guess he had actually played for Australia for a short time, but I had stopped following cricket actively during that period.
Whoever is running ICC, they have to be "dyed in the wool" cricket people, have to be interested in the growth of the sport with a passion, and must have strong business brain. One other critical requirement is balancing out politics among various cricket boards. There is too much politics within ICC. I'm not convinced having a single executive on top with strongly divided motives among boards is the correct solution.
Re: I hate ICC
And who is not doing there job properly? The mods are here to create discussion and to make sure all other members abide by the rules.
This thread is about discussing the ICC and their relatively poor running of the recent World Cup. If I see something that I don't agree with, I will have my say just like quite a few others share the same opinion in this thread as well as written articles by journalists also expressing their concern.
The views shown in here are shared by many people throughtout the world who have expressed the same or very similar views on here and in recent articles. They too are worried about the path the ICC is taking and how the ICC is ignoring the game in favour of gaining as much money as they can.
Last night, Malcolm Speed faced a vote of no-confidence from the BCCI board but they are they to discuss the issue properly. Should they vote no-confidecne, it is almost certain that Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh would also vote that way.
BCCI has no plans to vote no-confidence - for now
The fact is, is that we're discussing the ICC's involvements in the World Cup plus other related events and what could be done to help improve the game. If you don't like what we're saying then don't open this thread.
Enough of that.
pidgeon fan;157024 said:
And who is not doing there job properly? The mods are here to create discussion and to make sure all other members abide by the rules.
This thread is about discussing the ICC and their relatively poor running of the recent World Cup. If I see something that I don't agree with, I will have my say just like quite a few others share the same opinion in this thread as well as written articles by journalists also expressing their concern.
The views shown in here are shared by many people throughtout the world who have expressed the same or very similar views on here and in recent articles. They too are worried about the path the ICC is taking and how the ICC is ignoring the game in favour of gaining as much money as they can.
Last night, Malcolm Speed faced a vote of no-confidence from the BCCI board but they are they to discuss the issue properly. Should they vote no-confidecne, it is almost certain that Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh would also vote that way.
BCCI has no plans to vote no-confidence - for now
The fact is, is that we're discussing the ICC's involvements in the World Cup plus other related events and what could be done to help improve the game. If you don't like what we're saying then don't open this thread.
pidgeon fan said:Shut your trap Chandu.
Enough of that.
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Dave
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Re: I hate ICC
Your right pidgeon. I was wathcing the finale and Mark Nicholas was jibbering about crisis and chaos I thought the sky was going to fall in.
I looked outside though .........and everything was ok
pidgeon fan;156807 said:
Your right pidgeon. I was wathcing the finale and Mark Nicholas was jibbering about crisis and chaos I thought the sky was going to fall in.
I looked outside though .........and everything was ok
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Dave
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Re: I hate ICC
Derek Pringle thinks there would have been no mistakes if there had been an Australian umpiring????
that isnt even logical
Chandu;156810 said:
Derek Pringle thinks there would have been no mistakes if there had been an Australian umpiring????
that isnt even logical
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timmyj51
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Re: I hate ICC
And it came to pass: "world cup lacking in involvement."
TimmyJ predicted: no Yank pro baseballers, tournament doomed to boredom.
And it came to pass: "must pose more rigorous means of qualifying for the second round."
Timmyj predicted: without Timmyj format worthy teams out, unworthy teams in.
And it came to pass: "stadiums are likely to prove controversial...
man on street could end up cussing it for years."
Timmyj predicted: islands gonna be paying through the nose to
NY/London banks for decades.
Down right scary being right all the time.
And it came to pass: "world cup lacking in involvement."
TimmyJ predicted: no Yank pro baseballers, tournament doomed to boredom.
And it came to pass: "must pose more rigorous means of qualifying for the second round."
Timmyj predicted: without Timmyj format worthy teams out, unworthy teams in.
And it came to pass: "stadiums are likely to prove controversial...
man on street could end up cussing it for years."
Timmyj predicted: islands gonna be paying through the nose to
NY/London banks for decades.
Down right scary being right all the time.