India and Australia may play ODI series in New York

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a baseball stadium that could be converted is Tiger Stadium. I think it is still up, just not used for anything since the Tigers moved out. It is in Detroit, MI. It would work because it is like 440 to center field from home plate, so you could make an oval out of it. quick, someone call Detroit and see what they are going to do with it!
 
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Detroit has a huge Arab population, but I'm pretty sure most of them are from non-cricketing regions.
 
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BUT Detroit is a relatively short drive from Toronto, which is home to a huge Indian population. I'm sure MANY of them would make the drive down. But then, that being the case, they could just hold it in Toronto. In the last couple years, they have held some soccer friendlies at Rogers Centre with teams from Europe. For these, they brought in real grass fields and installed them (since it is normally an artificial FieldTurf surface). I don't see why they could not do that for this event as well. Maybe they are bound and determined to go to the States, in which case I am arguing for nothing.
 
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"the failure of Project USA...has set the game back in the continent at lest til
2008"


Project USA didn't "fail"! The Maryland Mugabe killed it before it could even
get started. If it had been allowed to go forward we'd have already probably
seen a couple of ODI series in the states.


"Up to 10 million first-generation Asians make for a lucrative market, even
if the average American doesn't care one jot for the game."


Vintage Williamson. "Go for the ten mil! Ignore
the 300 mil! See how we cricketers think big!"
 
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Wilbix;130615 said:
BUT Detroit is a relatively short drive from Toronto, which is home to a huge Indian population. I'm sure MANY of them would make the drive down. But then, that being the case, they could just hold it in Toronto. In the last couple years, they have held some soccer friendlies at Rogers Centre with teams from Europe. For these, they brought in real grass fields and installed them (since it is normally an artificial FieldTurf surface). I don't see why they could not do that for this event as well. Maybe they are bound and determined to go to the States, in which case I am arguing for nothing.
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I'm under the impression that they want to hold some of the matches in Toronto too. It's a logical destination, and has been successful with other cricket events. If it were really a 7 match series, I'd guess 4 in the US and 3 in Toronto.
timmyj51;130621 said:
"Up to 10 million first-generation Asians make for a lucrative market, even
if the average American doesn't care one jot for the game."


Vintage Williamson. "Go for the ten mil! Ignore
the 300 mil! See how we cricketers think big!"
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If any ODI's are ever held in the US, I think it's safe to say that the majority of the crowds that would come out to watch would be of either South Asian or Caribbean descent. It has nothing to do with ignoring anybody.

Sure, there's 300 million Americans, but if you hold a cricket match, you'll get much more interest from Americans of Indian or Pakistani descent than from Americans of German or Italian descent. I wouldn't expect many Hispanic Americans to show up either.
 
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"Sure, there's 300 million Americans, but if you hold a cricket match, you'll get much more interest from Americans of Indian or Pakistani descent than from Americans of German or Italian descent. I wouldn't expect many Hispanic Americans to show up either"




If the ICC, CA, BCCI, or anyone else doesn't want to
promote cricket to born-and-bred Americans then
DON'T DARKEN OUR DOOR! If the ex-pats want to
see cricket they can go to India, Jamaica, or shell out
for it on pay-for-view. Letting some foreign cricketers just drop in,
earn a few bucks, and then skip town without contributing
ANYTHING to broadening the game to Americans is
nothing but AN INSULT.
 
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timmyj51;130702 said:
If the ICC, CA, BCCI, or anyone else doesn't want to promote cricket to born-and-bred Americans then DON'T DARKEN OUR DOOR!
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Don't you count people of Indian or Pakistani descent as Americans? They're as American as the rest of us.

And what exactly does "DON'T DARKEN OUR DOOR!" mean? I don't get the reference.
timmyj51;130702 said:
If the ex-pats want to see cricket they can go to India, Jamaica, or shell out for it on pay-for-view.
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Or they could just hold live cricket matches here in the US which the USACA would hopefully make some money off of that they could reinvest in the infrastructure of the US game.

timmyj51;130702 said:
Letting some foreign cricketers just drop in, earn a few bucks, and then skip town without contributing ANYTHING to broadening the game to Americans is nothing but AN INSULT.
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How can you say this is contributing nothing to American cricket? They'd be playing the game in front of American fans, and the USACA would be making some money off of the match. What else could you ask for?
 
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Timmy the fact that there is large Indian and West Indian communities in the USA is the only reason why ODI cricket in the USA will be able to succeed. They are not all expats, many are 'born & bred' in America.

Instead of viewing them with contempt, why not recognise that they are an important demographic that will lay the foundation for the future success of USA cricket which hopefully includes mainstream support.
 
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"How can you say this is contributing nothing to American cricket? They'd be playing the game in front of American fans,..."


No they won't! Been plenty of international matches in USA/Canada and the organizers did ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING to attract the attention of Americans.


"and the USACA would be making some money off of the match. What else could you ask for?"


This is the WORST thing that''d come of it! Money for the Maryland Mugabe and his corrupt, grasping, cronies!
This is precisely why ICC pulled the plug on Project USA: USACA cronies wanted complete,unaccountable,
control of the money.
 
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"why not recognise that they are an important demographic that will lay the foundation for the future success of USA cricket which hopefully includes mainstream support."


No they haven't and no they won't! We've been hearing this line for decades. The USACA has done
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING since they were reorganized in 1997 to raise the games profile with
Americans. As for the ex-pat community at large; they've been going merrily along, decade after
decade, playing among themselves. So when are they gonna start bringing in mainstream Americans?
Answer: never, cause they're happy to just keep playing among themselves, spending the ICC welfare money.
 
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timmy,

i agree in that it would not be marketed to the 'average american'. not that i agree or disagree but think about it from the $ point of view:
why bother marketing to a cast amount when you can make a heap of $ from your core demographic with minimal cash spent on marketing?
 
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No matter how they market it, it is bound to make it to TV /newspaper as a human interest story or segment in the sports report. Even if it is in the context of a one off story with a couple of highlights sarcastic comments, it's more than is happening now.
 
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"why bother marketing to a cast amount when you can make a heap of $ from your core demographic with minimal cash spent on marketing?"



Then play the matches at home in front of your "core demographic." No first-class cricket should be allowed
to be played in the USA unless it's SPECIFICALLY designed to promote the
game to Americans. If I were president of USACA wouldn't allow it any other way.
 
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"Even if it is in the context of a one off story with a couple of highlights sarcastic comments, it's more than is happening now."



Not really. Can find plenty of sarcastic, demeaning, "oh-look-at-the-immigrants-playing-their-silly-game-of-cricket," stories in the USA
media. Not one iota of progress is going to be made unless these stereotypes are taken head-on and buried deep and dead.
 
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timmyj51;131106 said:
"why bother marketing to a cast amount when you can make a heap of $ from your core demographic with minimal cash spent on marketing?"



Then play the matches at home in front of your "core demographic." No first-class cricket should be allowed
to be played in the USA unless it's SPECIFICALLY designed to promote the
game to Americans. If I were president of USACA wouldn't allow it any other way.
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So the Indians, Pakistanis and others from cricketing countries who are living in America and have citizenship for your country aren't American are they?
 
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Ljp86;131255 said:
So the Indians, Pakistanis and others from cricketing countries who are living in America and have citizenship for your country aren't American are they?
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Not only are they Americans but they are also excellent people. I'm an American and I would never had learned the game if it wasn't for ex pats from many counties WI, PAK, IND, SA, ENG, AUS etcc. I have many good friendships with these guys. The game needs these guys for it to grow. Americans aren't exactly banging down the doors to play but you can be sure that the ex pat players ( notice I didn't say US governing body) would welcome them with open arms. Peace
 
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"Americans aren't exactly banging down the doors to play..."


That's precisely the point. We need someone who's gonna light a fire
under Americans and get them to "bang on the doors." Ex-pats certainly
haven't done this.


"...but you can be sure that the ex pat players ( notice I didn't say US governing body) would welcome them with open arms."


Really? From all the stories I've heard (and its been a lot) Americans
are almost always cold-shouldered when they tried to join ex-pat clubs in this
country.
 
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timmyj51;131107 said:
"Even if it is in the context of a one off story with a couple of highlights sarcastic comments, it's more than is happening now."



Not really. Can find plenty of sarcastic, demeaning, "oh-look-at-the-immigrants-playing-their-silly-game-of-cricket," stories in the USA
media. Not one iota of progress is going to be made unless these stereotypes are taken head-on and buried deep and dead.
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You know Timmy, you know a lot more than you look at the surface. If you arent posting your "Twenty20 is good and everything else is crap" bullsh*t you're decent.

Good post ^
 
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