Retirements exposes youngsters - 2007-08 Test Squad

[SouthSwans]

Retirements exposes youngsters - 2007-08 Test Squad

Possible Test squad for 2007-08:
Phil Jaques, Matthew Hayden, Ricky Ponting (C), Michael Hussey, Michael Clarke, Shane Watson, Adam Gilchrist (WK), Brett Lee, Stuart Clark, Nathan Bracken, Stuart MacGill, Shaun Tait.

Yours?

 

[Jerk]

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Phil Jaques, Matthew Hayden, Ricky Ponting (C), Michael Hussey, Michael Clarke, Shane Watson, Adam Gilchrist (WK), Brett Lee, Andrew Symonds, Nathan Bracken, Stuart MacGill, Cameron White.

 

[SouthSwans]

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Thats a long batting lineup, considerably stiff on both Clark and Tait and possibly Johnson considering White is in there.

 

[schwab2clarkson]

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I reckon that MacGill and a few of the old farts in the Aussie side won't be there next year.
I would have White, Payne, Johnson, D hussey, Hillfenhagen all in the side.

 

[SouthSwans]

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I reckon that MacGill and a few of the old farts in the Aussie side won't be there next year.
I would have White, Payne, Johnson, D hussey, Hillfenhagen all in the side.

Hilfenhagen???

White won't be in the team and Hussey is unlikely there are better batsmen out there.

 

[schwab2clarkson]

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Hilfenhagen???

White won't be in the team and Hussey is unlikely there are better batsmen out there.

Wanna bet? White basically ********s over MacGill and will be in the test side really soon.
Hilfenhagen is impressive.

 

[SouthSwans]

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Wanna bet? White basically ********s over MacGill and will be in the test side really soon.
Hilfenhagen is impressive.

1. Hilfenhagen doesnt exist, its Hilfenhaus.

2. I would bet if I knew you personally, I'd be willing to stake my life savings on a) MacGill being a far better spinner than White, b) MacGill playing tests again before White starts his career and c) You are a very, very naive biased Victorian fool who can't see the talent out there.

 

[will_85]

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dont worry south they have no idea mate none what so ever

 

[tambo]

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i actually have it on good authority that the selectors dont want MacGill for various reasons, not sure if its White instead but i doubt he'll play more than 5 more tests if any

 

[SouthSwans]

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i actually have it on good authority that the selectors dont want MacGill for various reasons, not sure if its White instead but i doubt he'll play more than 5 more tests if any

and what 'good authority' is that simon?

 

[Stamislav]

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MacGill may be 35, and he can't bat or field, but he has 198 Test wickets at 27.20 from 40 Tests. This guy would have played 100 Tests for Australia if Warne weren't around.

Warne and Murali are in a class by themselves, but Danish Kaneria, Harbhajan Singh, Anil Kumble, Monty Panesar, Daniel Vettori, and Stuart MacGill are the frontline spinners in the game today (at least in Tests - the list would look somewhat different for ODIs). MacGill thinks he has 3 years left in him, so unless he shows that he can longer match his past performances, he is the obvious first-choice replacement for Warne.

That being said, Australia will need to find a back-up Test spinner, possibly Dan Cullen, who has so far played one Test match, against Bangladesh, and taken 1-25 and 0-29. If Australia will be playing any Tests against Zimbabwe when they tour the country in June 2007, they'll need another spinner, as MacGill refuses to tour there. While Andrew Symonds is not a great Test wicket-taker, his off-spinners could be handy to have around with four specialist quicks.

 

[schwab2clarkson]

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i actually have it on good authority that the selectors dont want MacGill for various reasons, not sure if its White instead but i doubt he'll play more than 5 more tests if any

Spot on right.

1) MacGill has had some attitude problems and hasn't been able to play properly at state level. Has been suspended a few times this year because of this.
2) He is up himself in a big way. Thinks that he should be picked in the team at all times when hesn't even bothered to show responsibility for his actions.
face it south, your favourite player is a prick.

will_85: dont worry south they have no idea mate none what so ever

No mate it is people like yourself who don't know what's going on.

 

[SouthSwans]

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Spot on right.

1) MacGill has had some attitude problems and hasn't been able to play properly at state level. Has been suspended a few times this year because of this.

What Tambo is referring to, if anything (maybe he wants to piss me off because I know him in person) is his moral stance due to political issues that caused his previous fallout. If the selectors "don't want MacGill" it has nothing to do with attitude problems. Correct, he swore at a district level umpire and was suspended, that has nothing to do with the Australian selectors. "...his decision to boycott Zimbabwe in 2004 because of moral concerns continued an unwelcome pattern in the eyes of the selectors in the life of Stuart MacGill." - Cricinfo.
Your second point is a pisspoor attempt to back up your first point.

Thinks that he should be picked in the team at all times when hesn't even bothered to show responsibility for his actions

Considering only one "action" has happened,

Get f*cked you pr*ck.

and the fact that he has resigned to the fact that Shane Warne will always be the premier spinner, really cancels out the relevence of that second argument.

No mate it is people like yourself who don't know what's going on.

And what grounds do you have to attack Will? Will makes legitimate, first-rate, reliable posts that everyone understands and respects. He has a sound knowledge of cricket like the majority of regular posters on this site and to criticise him because he has a universally based opinion is just naive and pitiful.
You disgrace.

 

[trescothick101]

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MacGill is definitely the second best spinner in Australia, maybe even in the world when Warney retires. However, I don't think he will play in 2008/09 Ashes because he'll probably be too old, and either the selectors will axe him or he'll retire. Unless he bowls extemely well at the age of 38 (or however old he will be in 2009), he won't get chosen. He will be extra hungry to play in this Ashes because he hasn't played in once since the New Year's Test in the 2002/03 Ashes.

 

[schwab2clarkson]

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MacGill is definitely the second best spinner in Australia, maybe even in the world when Warney retires. However, I don't think he will play in 2008/09 Ashes because he'll probably be too old, and either the selectors will axe him or he'll retire. Unless he bowls extemely well at the age of 38 (or however old he will be in 2009), he won't get chosen. He will be extra hungry to play in this Ashes because he hasn't played in once since the New Year's Test in the 2002/03 Ashes.

He won't get picked because he is too old.

 

[Stamislav]

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face it south, your favourite player is a prick.

I actually think MacGill is less of a prick than Warne is.

Since when is refusing to play in Zimbabwe for moral reasons an "attitude problem"? I don't know if I feel that playing in Zimbabwe is necessarily wrong, but it's a personal decision on MacGill's part and I respect him for standing up for something he believes in.

 

[Bennycoff]

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Rogers
Hayden
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
Symonds
Gilchrist
Lee
Johnson
Clark
MacGill

 

[sirvo]

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OK guys, back on topic now.

My Team

Hayden, Jacques, Ponting, Hussey M, Clark, Symonds, Gilchrist, Lee, Clarke, Johnson, McGill, 12th Cullen or Tait

Longer term we need to replace Hayden, Gilchrist & McGill in the next 3 years, Ponting & Hussey in 5.

Cullen is the obvious favourite of the selectors to be the next main spinner and McGill will fill the spot until Zimbabwe, then he's gone.

All the young keepers have chance, we will probably back to picking a good keeper who can bat a bit, we've been spoilt for few years now.

While he has the talent, I don't think the selectors will opt for Cosgrove even if he averages over 100 from now on.

The door is wide open for a couple of batsmen and a keeper.

 

[trescothick101]

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1. Rogers or Jaques (depending who has a better domestic and county season from now until next summer)
2. Hayden (a decade in the cricket wilderness will make him motivated for an extra long career)
3. Ponting
4. Hussey
5. Clarke
6. Symonds (that century seals his spot for another 3 or 4 tests at least)
7. Gilchrist (probably only has a year or two left in him)
8. Lee (will lead the bowling attack, but definitely has to improve)
9. Johnson (him, Hilfenhaus or Tait will break the side)
10. Clark (the new pigeon?)
11. MacGill (will retire quite late due to lack of test matches over the years, probs after 2009 Ashes if he makes it that far)

I don't think Cogrove is good enough to be an Australian Test cricketer. His limited overs form is excelent because of his big hitting.

Marcus North may get a couple of Tests in his career, but the middle order of Ponting, Hussey and Clarke is too strong, unless Hussey moves to the opener's sot or Symonds's loses form.

Watson has definitely been unlucky with injuries, and the selectors really like him.

Hodge is IMO the best player in Australia not in the test side (i know: big call)

Voges probably won't break the side until a couple of batsmen retire (eg Hayden, Gilly, Ponting, Hussey and no.6 opens up)

Tait is a bit raw, and doesn't have the patience and line and length to succeed at Test level at this moment in time. Will def play a part, as will Johnson and Hilfenhaus.

Ronchi, Paine and Haddin are all tied up for the keeper's slot. At least their is a lot of competition for place.

White won't even nearly make the Test side unless his leggies improvre hugely.

Cullen will be the second best spinner in the selectors mind. Personally, I think they just like him, since he hasn't done anything special for SA for a year and a bit.

I' really like to see Katich in the Test side. In ODIs he doesn't quite have the big hitting strokes, but is a useful runscorer and would be a reliable team anchor in that form of the game.

 

[Bennycoff]

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Really don't want to see Cullen until he is playing solid first class cricket.