looker-on
aka Thomas the Kraut
Didn't I meet you in Oxford ?
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The Serious Discussion Thread.
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Grier
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With all the Wars going on, especially in the Middle East, it brought to mind a passage from the book of Revelations that describes a series of events associated with the end times, including the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. The Four Horsemen are mentioned in Revelation 6:1-8 and are associated with conquest, war, famine, and death.
Revelation does mention various regions and conflicts in the Middle East like Babylon and Armageddon.
In Ancient times the Middle East was the crossroads of civilization being able to travel four ways: east, west, north and south.
Trade, ideas, different cultures and religions ... despots, ...
A melting pot that often boils over.
So the Untied Stakes of Anarchy (USA) has started started a big nasty stupid illegal WAR, aided and abetted from War Criminal Bibby Netanyahu who expertly pulls Trump's strings.
No doubt the flow of Iranian Drones to Russia will slow greatly. That's good for Ukraine surely.
I also heard weapon stores in Russia and the US are dwindling. Good again!.
Hours before Trump's Thumping Bombs a Peace deal meeting was about to happen, It didn't. With this conflict being orchestrated by the US and Israel "Without UN Sanction" they call it an 'illegal war' which gives an easy out to get "not" get involved with Trump's madness and total lack of foresight.
Revelation does mention various regions and conflicts in the Middle East like Babylon and Armageddon.
In Ancient times the Middle East was the crossroads of civilization being able to travel four ways: east, west, north and south.
Trade, ideas, different cultures and religions ... despots, ...
A melting pot that often boils over.
So the Untied Stakes of Anarchy (USA) has started started a big nasty stupid illegal WAR, aided and abetted from War Criminal Bibby Netanyahu who expertly pulls Trump's strings.
No doubt the flow of Iranian Drones to Russia will slow greatly. That's good for Ukraine surely.
I also heard weapon stores in Russia and the US are dwindling. Good again!.
Hours before Trump's Thumping Bombs a Peace deal meeting was about to happen, It didn't. With this conflict being orchestrated by the US and Israel "Without UN Sanction" they call it an 'illegal war' which gives an easy out to get "not" get involved with Trump's madness and total lack of foresight.
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Richie
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That is good news. And Ukraine has depleted their missile stocks with clever drone and Flamingo attacks of their own. Now take back Crimea Zelensky.
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Richie
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Tensions escalate along NATO’s eastern border following threats from a Kremlin official, warning Russia will target a NATO member state with nuclear weapons if that country hosts allied nuclear armaments.
It is understood to be Estonia, one of the small Baltic nations and France has said it will arm it and other nations with nukes.
Mad Vlad sabre ratting again. He is becoming more desperate and more delusional the deeper he sinks into the swamp over his illegal invasion of Ukraine. He seems oblivious to the fact that if one NATO country is attacked all the others will go to its aid.
It is understood to be Estonia, one of the small Baltic nations and France has said it will arm it and other nations with nukes.
Mad Vlad sabre ratting again. He is becoming more desperate and more delusional the deeper he sinks into the swamp over his illegal invasion of Ukraine. He seems oblivious to the fact that if one NATO country is attacked all the others will go to its aid.
looker-on
aka Thomas the Kraut
Let's hope Ukraine won't succeed in doing that now and militarily since it may force Putin to press the red button as is laid down in his military doctrine that he referred to frequently at the beginning of the war. The vid is way too optimistic and one-sided. It almost sounds like Ukrainian propaganda, a pep talk if you like.
Richie
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All sabre rattling, even desperation will not force a Russian leader to press the red button. None have done it in the past (Bay of Pigs) and even Putin knows what the end game will be if he does. Reason nukes are the best deterrent to a nuke war as no one wants their nation obliterated in a heart beat. Surely you can see this too Thomas.
Richie
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Russia has provided Iran with information that can help Tehran strike US military, AP sources say
Russia has provided Iran with information that could help Tehran strike American warships, aircraft and oth...
www.9news.com.au
And instead of acknowledging this Trump was so infuriated that a reporter had the temerity to accuse his buddy Putin of such a cowardly crime that he castigated him on the spot. Dead set Trump is off with the fairies, punch drunk, losing touch with reality if he did not know that Russia was in bed with Iran.
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Grier
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Trump's alarmed his pin-up Putin Russah that has been using its satelites to garner information about US positions, about Iran and passing it onto Iran. Opps!
I guess the bromance is over.
I think China has fingers in the Russian pie too.
India too loving Russian oil and totally unexpectedly had the Cranky Trunk US said they're ok with India buying Russian Oil.
What's going on? Putin cheated on Twinkle Toes Trump and Trumpy's apocalyptic stupidities are coming back to roost, especially ruined alliances he wants to bring to heel. As if!
Once loyal aiving short shrift to join him in with his illegal war. "He's always lies" many national voices concur on.
They're going alone, in an illegal war of their own losing!
Australia will send non combative Military personnel to help "Defend" other Arab nations in the region. A token perhaps, but good technical expertise I'd say. A nice middle road too.
Like many I reckon Trump started the illegal conflict in Iran as a deflection to the Epstein files like he's done before. Starting another war just to save one's own skin is beneath contempt.
I recently heard Iran has a population of about 93 million which is medium big country with a highly educated and modern population wanting change, another revolution?
Egged on by Trump&Co with hot air promises that drift away, as we've seen. Twinkle Toes "NO MORE WARS!"
I guess the bromance is over.
I think China has fingers in the Russian pie too.
India too loving Russian oil and totally unexpectedly had the Cranky Trunk US said they're ok with India buying Russian Oil.
What's going on? Putin cheated on Twinkle Toes Trump and Trumpy's apocalyptic stupidities are coming back to roost, especially ruined alliances he wants to bring to heel. As if!
Once loyal aiving short shrift to join him in with his illegal war. "He's always lies" many national voices concur on.
They're going alone, in an illegal war of their own losing!
Australia will send non combative Military personnel to help "Defend" other Arab nations in the region. A token perhaps, but good technical expertise I'd say. A nice middle road too.
Like many I reckon Trump started the illegal conflict in Iran as a deflection to the Epstein files like he's done before. Starting another war just to save one's own skin is beneath contempt.
I recently heard Iran has a population of about 93 million which is medium big country with a highly educated and modern population wanting change, another revolution?
Egged on by Trump&Co with hot air promises that drift away, as we've seen. Twinkle Toes "NO MORE WARS!"
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looker-on
aka Thomas the Kraut
Yes, I certainly can, mate. What I mean, though, and what is not out of the question, is tactical-ballistic nukes not those strategic nukes which were nearly launched because of the Bay of Pigs.
Richie
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No mate as according to this interview they have kissed and made up.Trump's alarmed his pin-up Putin Russah that has been using its satelites to garner information about US positions, about Iran and passing it onto Iran. Opps!
I guess the bromance is over.
Trump has just spoken about his phone call earlier with Russian President Vladimir Putin when the pair discussed the Iran war. He said the conversation as "very good" and that Putin "wants to be helpful" on the Middle East.
Is he for real. He remains Mad Vlads puppet and he cant even see it.
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Richie
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A 10-kiloton blast still causes massive devastation, including immediate vaporization at the center, widespread fires, severe shock wave damage for several kilometers and long-term radioactive fallout.
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Grier
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Like two assassins kissing cheeks in a Godfather sequel.No mate as according to this interview they have kissed and made up.
Trump has just spoken about his phone call earlier with Russian President Vladimir Putin when the pair discussed the Iran war. He said the conversation as "very good" and that Putin "wants to be helpful" on the Middle East.
Is he for real. He remains Mad Vlads puppet and he cant even see it.
Please pardon my cynicism,.
Russia and Iran are close and it'd be a big plus gesture by Russia to be a pacifying influence in the Middle East Crisis, but knowing Russia's twists and turns that often bamboozle the King of
.. .It's so tragic all this turmoil that has great global negative flow ons to most economies, and savings, stagflation, ... Petrol and groceries....
All some say to distract from the Epstein files full release that could be extremely damaging to Thurnup. If so, how selfish the damage one man can do to the whole planet.
Shame, shame, shame ... to coin an iconic Aussie's phrase.
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looker-on
aka Thomas the Kraut
Sadly yes. For comparison, the Hiroshima bomb was 16 kilotons and tactical nukes range from less than 1 (grenades) up to 50 kt, which gives us some idea of what those big strategic nukes can bring about.
Richie
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Didn't the Yanks produce the largest detonation non-nuke bomb a decade or two back.
I reckon it is this one, the GBU-43/B MOAB (Mother of All Bombs) reputed to be the largest conventional bomb by detonation power. It was dropped on April 13, 2017, in the Nangarhar province of Afghanistan to target an ISIS tunnel complex. Its first and only use. Will the Yanks consider using it on Iran too?
I reckon it is this one, the GBU-43/B MOAB (Mother of All Bombs) reputed to be the largest conventional bomb by detonation power. It was dropped on April 13, 2017, in the Nangarhar province of Afghanistan to target an ISIS tunnel complex. Its first and only use. Will the Yanks consider using it on Iran too?
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Richie
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Ali Fathollah-Nejad, director of the Center for Middle East and Global Order, a think-tank researching society in Iran, spoke with DW about how people in Iran are responding to the conflict.
"We don't have a representative democracy at all in Iran," adding that the social support of the regime is "quite thin" and that only 10-15% of the Iranian population supports the regime.
He said the regime was "taking the Iranian people hostage."
"Over 80% of the Iranian population oppose the Islamic Republic," he said, adding there is very little support for any kind of supreme leader that is nominated.
Fathollah-Nejad said that after the mass anti-government protests earlier in the year, in which thousands were killed by the regime's security forces, people in Iran were hoping for more international support.
"We have to also acknowledge the fact that geopolitical interests of foreign powers are not compatible necessarily with the interests of the Iranian people."
Yes regime change, but the clueless Trump championed that an airborne invasion alone of Iran without boots on the ground would bring the regime to its knees. But this regime is evidently an impregnable multi layered system protected by the notorious Revolutionary Guard comprising some 100 thousand fanatics. So what has happened is this out of touch Trump administration along with its intelligence service has done the same as Russia, misinterpreted and underestimated its enemy by thinking Iran would surrender while their regime remains in power. We all know Trump is a massive egotist and will never admit he has ballsed up this invasion, so by telling the world that he has been victorious he is then thinking that the American people will not mind if he calls the war quits, not telling them that he is sneaking out of his self made mess.
"We don't have a representative democracy at all in Iran," adding that the social support of the regime is "quite thin" and that only 10-15% of the Iranian population supports the regime.
He said the regime was "taking the Iranian people hostage."
"Over 80% of the Iranian population oppose the Islamic Republic," he said, adding there is very little support for any kind of supreme leader that is nominated.
Fathollah-Nejad said that after the mass anti-government protests earlier in the year, in which thousands were killed by the regime's security forces, people in Iran were hoping for more international support.
"We have to also acknowledge the fact that geopolitical interests of foreign powers are not compatible necessarily with the interests of the Iranian people."
Yes regime change, but the clueless Trump championed that an airborne invasion alone of Iran without boots on the ground would bring the regime to its knees. But this regime is evidently an impregnable multi layered system protected by the notorious Revolutionary Guard comprising some 100 thousand fanatics. So what has happened is this out of touch Trump administration along with its intelligence service has done the same as Russia, misinterpreted and underestimated its enemy by thinking Iran would surrender while their regime remains in power. We all know Trump is a massive egotist and will never admit he has ballsed up this invasion, so by telling the world that he has been victorious he is then thinking that the American people will not mind if he calls the war quits, not telling them that he is sneaking out of his self made mess.
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looker-on
aka Thomas the Kraut
There's a more recent version that's supposed to be even stronger, the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator being the MOAB now which can only be carried by a B2 Stealth bomber. At least one has been dropped on Iran.
US Air Force buying more bunker-buster bombs after Iran nuclear strikes - https://www.defensenews.com/air/2026/02/13/us-air-force-buying-more-bunker-buster-bombs-after-iran-nuclear-strikes/
Did B-2s Just Drop GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrators On Another Iranian Nuclear Site? - https://www.twz.com/air/did-b-2s-just-drop-gbu-57-massive-ordnance-penetrators-on-another-iranian-nuclear-site
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