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someblokecalleddave said:
there's a heck of a lot of good leg spin video's getting uploaded lately! And finally we have some footage of MacGill bowling his backspinner, check it out around the 2 minute mark...
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That'll be that bloke Robelinda I guess?[/quote]

it not just him actually, there's a bit of a youtube revolution happening with regards to old footage and there are a fair few people out there springing up and adding massively to the cricket archives. Good on em!
 
GoldenArm said:
That'll be that bloke Robelinda I guess?
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it not just him actually, there's a bit of a youtube revolution happening with regards to old footage and there are a fair few people out there springing up and adding massively to the cricket archives. Good on em![/quote]

You'll have to link them so I can subscribe
 
Saradhy Krishnan said:
As shown in the gooch video warne gets late drift my friends told me that round arm bowlers get more drift than high arm bowler.High arm bowlers get dip.And they stated that round arm bowlers more often than not are "in accurate".But i am strongly against this comment.But I just wanted to know do round arm bowlers get more drift naturally caused by magnus effect or not ??
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Your friends are right. To get drift you must impart a lot of revolutions on the ball. If you bowl with your hand at the 11 to 10 'o' clock areas you will be able to impart more revolutions and as a result get more drift than if you bowl with a high arm as you get less revolutions. Try it yourself and you will see the difference.
 
A person who attended Terry Jenner's camp told me that to bowl a perfect leg break, 42 parts of your body must be in perfect position!!! Now we know why Warne was so good.
 
Here's a very good find with some footage of the ball leaving Warnes hand at 90 and 45 degrees with completely different outcomes. It was linked over at 'The Big Leg Break' thread and the bloke there was saying that his coach and his own experimentation seems to suggest that the thumb is integral to getting the ball to turn off the wicket more.....

Good find. The bit where Simon Hughes offers his opinion 2/3rds of the way in is very useful in that it demonstrates that you've not got to get the seam at 90 degrees to the flight to get the ball to turn. The ball at 45 degrees, allowing more top spin for me is looking more and more like the optimum way to bowl. I can see that the ball at 90 is obviously going to give another dimension - far more turn if it hits some 'Real' rough and if there isn't any rough and the wicket is pretty much intact, I think there's the potential for the ball to 'bite' less with the 90 degree seam and as in this clip - not turn as much as the 45 degree angled ball?
 
someblokecalleddave said:
Here's a very good find with some footage of the ball leaving Warnes hand at 90 and 45 degrees with completely different outcomes. It was linked over at 'The Big Leg Break' thread and the bloke there was saying that his coach and his own experimentation seems to suggest that the thumb is integral to getting the ball to turn off the wicket more.....

Good find. The bit where Simon Hughes offers his opinion 2/3rds of the way in is very useful in that it demonstrates that you've not got to get the seam at 90 degrees to the flight to get the ball to turn. The ball at 45 degrees, allowing more top spin for me is looking more and more like the optimum way to bowl. I can see that the ball at 90 is obviously going to give another dimension - far more turn if it hits some 'Real' rough and if there isn't any rough and the wicket is pretty much intact, I think there's the potential for the ball to 'bite' less with the 90 degree seam and as in this clip - not turn as much as the 45 degree angled ball?
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I think you'll find its a bit of an optical illusion, the thumb merely looks as though it's on the ball when really its doing very little at all. Warne always shows in his master-classes that he falls into the thumb off the ball grip variety. most experts say it makes no difference if the thumb is on or off the ball, its just personal preference, whatever feels comfortable. after all its the third finger and wrist that are doing all the work right? i wouldn't waste time worrying about the thumb to be honest.
 
I think one of the interesting things about this vid apart from Benuads comment at the end is the illustration at 2.39 of the wrist flick, from the cocked wrist. If anyone is unsure what a wrist flick is like and how the cocked wrist is integral - this illustrates it nicely. I often refer to it as an unfurling rather than a flick as for me the idea of a flick is more of violent/jarring uncontrollable action, whereas it's a smooth action.
 
someblokecalleddave said:
I think one of the interesting things about this vid apart from Benuads comment at the end is the illustration at 2.39 of the wrist flick, from the cocked wrist. If anyone is unsure what a wrist flick is like and how the cocked wrist is integral - this illustrates it nicely. I often refer to it as an unfurling rather than a flick as for me the idea of a flick is more of violent/jarring uncontrollable action, whereas it's a smooth action.
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Dave you wanted links to all these YouTube channels didn't you? Well here you go fella!

http://www.youtube.com/user/sportingchallenge
http://www.youtube.com/user/robelinda2
http://www.youtube.com/user/robelinda
http://www.youtube.com/user/legbreakgoogly
http://www.youtube.com/user/5saghir
http://www.youtube.com/user/Jimpson11/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/kapurprem/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/kariyawasam88/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/kidbyers/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/prashantbanjare/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/prashantbanjare2/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/bhjks827/videos
 
 


I'm sure you all won't mind seeing this again for the millionth time... its that ball again. However there is some interesting chat here about the drift and turn Warne got. Ian Healy comments particularly; in regards to the line Shane Warne had to bowl.

Good upload by kidbyers here.
 
More Peter Such stuff- I found this link interesting as he advocates bowling with your eyes closed and then expands on that by saying run up and bowl with your eyes closed and it's to encourage that sense of fluidity that comes with a well grooved action. This is something that I was doing with my leg break years ago prior to the Googly syndrome and is something I've not done since and it's reminded me of the usefulness of the exercise. http://www.metarasa.com/cricket/spin/coaching-spin-bowling/
 
Saradhy Krishnan said:
@ macca and @ dave here is a one for you
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This must be the new one, the bloke emailed me a couple of months back and said they'd be posting another one. Nice find. But that opens up another potential can of worms! He still hasn't described drift though in relation to a spinners delivery, I'll have to email him again!
 
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