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Boris;398552 said:Was it ever on topic?
As I have said, my English knowledge isn't that good, but I'm trying to improve it.
What are the pace bowling stocks like? Is England capable of playing two spinners so that Tredwell/Rashid can get a game beside Swann?
Boris;398567 said:But 2 spinners isn't out of the equation?
someblokecalleddave;398570 said:I don't really know enough about cricket and or the England set up to speculate. They'll certainly be looking to Swanne to be doing some serious damage, but whether they'll bring in another I've got no idea. The idea that Rashid would be on form and confident for me seemed to be tactically sound - what with having 2 distinctly different approaches Leg-spin and off-spin? Treadwell - I think he just does what Swanne does, so that sounds unlikely that he'll be used much? I'll have to see if he's a Left arm bowler, but if he's RH bowler it doesn't make that much sense to me?
Yeah RH.......
Bowling style Right-arm offbreak
Height 5 ft 11 in
I don't recall England ever bowling two spinners in the same match - but my knowledge is limited.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT;398577 said:There is no way England will play 2 spinners in Australia. England will start the tour with 4 bowlers at the Gabba; how the series progresses from there will dictate whether England stays with the conservative option of 4 bowlers, or whether they employ 5 bowlers to attack the Australians.
England will only play 5 bowlers if they get to Perth and they are 2-0 down or something like that.
Jim2109;398488 said:ive seen Blackwell play for county on the TV. hes a left arm off spinner, he plays for Durham now and hes pretty good. hes played for England, but he was always overshadowed by Ashley Giles during his peak years. hes 31 now, and when youve got Graeme Swann playing like he is, and then Tredwell waiting in the wings, hes not likely to get a call up again. not unless Swann does something to lose favour, like getting caught drink driving!!
as said though, Blackwell can bat a bit!! 23 first class centuries according to Wikipedia and 45 fifties. but then Graeme Swann is phenomenal with the bat in an aggressive capacity. hes not the kind of guy youd want to build an innings, but if you need 100 to win off 30 balls youd send him in! ideally with big Kev at the other end. and Tredwell isnt bad either.
Blackwell was given a chance for England and just wasnt the best player available in his position. unlike Rashid who has never been given a chance, and now it sounds as though the coaches have wrecked him. the same happens with ALL young English players. they amaze at county level, get an England call up for a year or 2 and loiter on the fringe without getting many matches, then they turn to sh*t for 3 years. then some of them come back amazing again when they reach their mid-20's, others just vanish.
whilst not a spinner (or a bowler even), the most ridiculous England snub of recent years is a wicket keeper called James Foster at Essex. he played a handful of games at T20 or ODI level a couple of years back, and impressed. hes excellent with the gloves, far better than Matt Prior. hes also a deadly batsman, especially in one day games. hes got some massive shots and hes much more consistent than Prior. he hit Scott Borthwick, the young Durham leg spinner, for 5 sixes in a row in a match last season, Essex needed 31 runs to win off 6 balls and looked totally beaten, and Foster won the game with those 5 shots in the final over, followed by Borthwick bowling a wide with the last ball!!! yet England snubbed him, he should be our T20 keeper for sure.
Jim2109;398601 said:they wont use 2 spinners in a test match. very few sides do though really unless theyve got a spinning all rounder. theres a very good chance that they will use 2 spinners at the T20 world cup though. having seen Zimbabwe play out there the other month i think quite a few sides will. add KP into the equation and thats 3 spinners in the side. Collingwood with his cutters, Luke Wright with his medium pace variety, and then Anderson, Broad and probably Bresnan with pace. Tredwell and Swann can both bat, especially at T20 level. so its less of a risk than with a team like Sri Lanka where they might play both Mendis and Murali, but neither of them can bat. at all!
with regards England using 5 bowlers against Aus - that depends on how Swann gets on this summer. there is talks of him being moved upto number 7. if he can cut it as a genuine all rounder then they might consider using 4 quicks and Swann. i think (or hope) England will take it to Australia this time around rather than showing caution though. we need to get past the idea that Australia are big and scary and show some balls, England treat Australian cricket sides with far too much respect for my liking. especially in Australia. why shouldnt we go out for the first test with 5 bowlers? take the game to Australia and back ourselves to win, rather than the usual approach of trying to squeeze through matches without losing and then take whatever wins we can get when they are served up on a plate. Australia gave away the Ashes last year, England certainly didnt take them. we need to go to Aus with a much more attacking mentality if we stand any chance of avoiding another 5-0. at least you dont have Warne anymore though.
legspinner_don;398634 said:Really mos_cambios? It's not like there's any annimosity.
legspinner_don;398634 said:Really mos_cambios? It's not like there's any annimosity.
Tredwell is an average county bowler who offers nothing at international level, imo. At least not in test cricket. He's a decent bowler/batsman/fielder so in that regard he'd be useful in T20s... but that's all. Yardy could play as the other spinner in England's T20 side. He's an SLA and is a better batsman, as well as having considerable experience captaining Sussex to the T20 cup win and subsequently captaining in the CL.
Tumo;398673 said:that smacks of hypocrisy don, yardy's a horrendous spinner, and he's not what you'd call a quality batsman either. tredwell in the short form is a very dangerous spinner, because he's not afraid to flight the ball, give it some air. personally i'd have taken someone like david wainwright, the yorkshire left arm spinner, because he bats and bowls better than both in my honest opinion, but he's still only a young lad.