Bowling Skills & Death Bowling.

gbatman

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Bowling Skills & Death Bowling.

Just thought I would rate the skills of some past and current bowlers.

Past Players:

McGrath
One of the only pace bowlers I have seen who could swing the ball both ways, reverse swing it, seam & cut it both ways bowl slower balls, bouncers & yorkers with perfection and accuracy. Often bowlers are either seamers or swing bowlers but McGrath was both and had all the other skills perfected as well. If a ball existed he could bowl it and bowl it well.

Using McGrath as the benchmark I will rate our pace bowlers.

Bracken
Out swing: 10
In swing: n/a
Leg Cutter: 5
Off Cutter: 7
Yorker: use to be 8 currently 5 gone missing.
Bouncer: 5
Slower Ball: 7 (good slower off cutter)
Accuracy: 10
Reverse Swing: 5
Seam: 6.5
Currently is out of form and carrying injury.

Hilfenhaus
Out swing: 8
In swing: n/a
Leg Cutter: 6
Off Cutter: 7
Yorker: 6
Bouncer: 7
Slower Ball: 6
Accuracy: 7
Reverse Swing: 6
Seam: 6.5
Bowles too short with the new ball for a swing bowler.

Tait
Out swing: 7
In swing: n/a
Leg Cutter: 5
Off Cutter: 5
Yorker: 8
Bouncer: 9
Slower Ball: 4
Accuracy: 4
Reverse Swing: 8
Seam: 6
Pace is inconsistant and is a let down too often. Hasn't got the other skills to do it without bowling 150KM/h+.

Lee
Out swing: Was 8 now 4.5.
In swing: 4
Leg Cutter: 6
Off Cutter: 6
Yorker: 7 but has gone missing.
Bouncer: 7 but also missing.
Slower Ball: 5
Accuracy: 6
Reverse Swing: 6.5.
Seam: 6.5
Couldn't get his seam position right in India and appears to have lost his pace. Doesn't have the height to be dangerous at his current pace and lack of movement.


Watson
Out swing: n/a
In swing: 3
Leg Cutter: 5
Off Cutter: 5
Yorker: 6
Bouncer: 8
Slower Ball: 5
Accuracy: 8
Reverse Swing: 3
Seam: 7
Was good in india, hits the seam and has a good bouncer and bowls a good line. Struggls with injury.

Siddle
Out swing: 4
In swing: 4
Leg Cutter: 7
Off Cutter: 7
Yorker: 5
Bouncer: 7
Slower Ball: 4
Accuracy: 8
Reverse Swing: 6
Seam: 8.5
The future no. 1 man of the Aussie team. Could easily be the best seamer we have, gets good bounce, has good pace, moves the ball off the seam and has a good bouncer. Unfortunatly injured.

Johnson
Out swing: n/a
In swing: n/a
Leg Cutter: n/a
Off Cutter: 9
Yorker: 5
Bouncer: 7.5
Slower Ball: 6
Accuracy: 6.5
Reverse Swing: 5
Seam: 3
Has good pace but has only 1 trick, his standard delivery is an off cutter and doesn't always move. probably should hold the ball accross the seam so he runs his fingers down the seam instead of accross it. That way he would hit the pitch with it and move the ball more, would come out like a fast left arm authodox bowler. His unique/strange release means he needs to hold the ball a unique strange way.

Hopes
Out swing: 1
In swing: 1
Leg Cutter: 4
Off Cutter: 4
Yorker: 7
Bouncer: 7
Slower Ball: 5
Accuracy: 9
Reverse Swing: 2
Seam: 7

Clark
Out swing: 8
In swing: 6.5
Leg Cutter: 8.5
Off Cutter: 8
Yorker: 7
Bouncer: 6.5
Slower Ball: 6
Accuracy: 9
Reverse Swing: 6.5
Seam: 9
Our most talented bowlers. Has most of the skills and the results show. Unfortunatly another setback with his elbow injury. A player we desperatly need.

Over all:
Our bowlers lack variation and skill. Most of our bowlers only bowl 1 or 2 deliverys really well.
Watching today's one dayer I saw hardly any yorkers and attempted ones fail and that was on a flat deck!
Off cutter slower balls are the easiest to bowl but also the easiest to pick. I think nearly every one bowled this year has been picked. The most effective has been the split finger one. It appears our bowlers only know one type of slowerball which is easily picked.
The bouncer has been used well in this match although some have been a bit wide.
Where are all the multi-skilled bowlers at the moment?

Perhaps Harwood or maby Nannes are due for a call up into the ODI side/squad...
 
Re: Bowling Skills & Death Bowling.

Good thread gbatman.

I just think it is funny how through out the series everyone was saying Bracken was the best odi bowler in the world and when he produces series figures of 39 overs 2-186 people are saying he is out of form which may be the case but he obviously isn't the best odi bowler in the world then.
 
Re: Bowling Skills & Death Bowling.

grapedo;318895 said:
Good thread gbatman.

I just think it is funny how through out the series everyone was saying Bracken was the best odi bowler in the world and when he produces series figures of 39 overs 2-186 people are saying he is out of form which may be the case but he obviously isn't the best odi bowler in the world then.

it was only that last game that cost him you rarely see brackon get hit for something like 70.

he could have had a few more wickets though.
 
Re: Bowling Skills & Death Bowling.

grapedo;318895 said:
Good thread gbatman.

I just think it is funny how through out the series everyone was saying Bracken was the best odi bowler in the world and when he produces series figures of 39 overs 2-186 people are saying he is out of form which may be the case but he obviously isn't the best odi bowler in the world then.

So who is the best then?

He struggled to take wickets this series but he is under a slight injury cloud and hasn't bowled internationally in months. He may have only taken 2 wickets but he only conceeded 4.8 an over, which isn't that bad considering South Africa scored at 5+ and he bowls at the death.

Although he didn't take wickets none of the Aussies really did. One average series doesn't mean he isn't the best anymore.
 
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That's true. To mee Bracken looks to be playing injured which is probably a F@#& up by our selectors and the player for playing unfit.
He normally bowls very accurate with consistant and controlled out swing and late miges it up with a faster seamer, off cutter and off cutter slower balls. His bread and butter deliverys havent been coming out right. Normally he can accuratly bowl yorkers and other deliverys but as of this series he hasn't.

Needs to get back to 100% fitness and then re-find his skills.
 
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Mousey;318899 said:
So who is the best then?

He struggled to take wickets this series but he is under a slight injury cloud and hasn't bowled internationally in months. He may have only taken 2 wickets but he only conceeded 4.8 an over, which isn't that bad considering South Africa scored at 5+ and he bowls at the death.

Although he didn't take wickets none of the Aussies really did. One average series doesn't mean he isn't the best anymore.

Probably Mendis, Murali or Kulasekara. Not far off is Umar Gul, Sohail Tanvir and Stuart Broad. As you mentioned they hadn't played odis since the Bangladesh tour in August which he was farley average too.
 
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gbatman;319015 said:
That's true. To mee Bracken looks to be playing injured which is probably a F@#& up by our selectors and the player for playing unfit.
He normally bowls very accurate with consistant and controlled out swing and late miges it up with a faster seamer, off cutter and off cutter slower balls. His bread and butter deliverys havent been coming out right. Normally he can accuratly bowl yorkers and other deliverys but as of this series he hasn't.

Needs to get back to 100% fitness and then re-find his skills.

Exaclty so therefore he is not performing at his best and is not the best odi bowler in the world. So there was no need for all ' the best odi bowler in the world tag' this series.
 
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grapedo;319321 said:
Exaclty so therefore he is not performing at his best and is not the best odi bowler in the world. So there was no need for all ' the best odi bowler in the world tag' this series.

Bracken is the best ODI bowler in the world. Enough said.
 
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I think Bracken does have an inswinger. During the T20 telecast when they had him mic.ed up, I think I remember him saying "I'm gonna try the inswinger here".
 
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breeno;319325 said:
Bracken is the best ODI bowler in the world. Enough said.

Not on current form he isn't.

The people I mentioned had better years than Bracken with the ball and currently Price, Kuleskara, Mortaza, Mendis, Murali, Shakib Al Hasan, Gul, Botha, Cremer, Ntini, Rainsford, Rubel Hossain, Steyn, Thushura, Utseya, Dabengwa, Hilfenhaus, Powell, Chigumbura, Maharoof, Nazmul Hossian, Hopes, Iftikhar Anjum, Mills, M. Morkel, Gillespie, Islam, Tsotsobe, Vettori, Baker, Duminy, Kamande, Albie Morkel, Mpofu, Ongondo, Sharma, Tait and Tikolo are all better bowlers on form than Bracken.

So it is very unfair on them to say he is the best odi bowler on the world when he wasn't even the best last year.
 
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grapedo;319331 said:
Not on current form he isn't.

The people I mentioned had better years than Bracken with the ball and currently Price, Kuleskara, Mortaza, Mendis, Murali, Shakib Al Hasan, Gul, Botha, Cremer, Ntini, Rainsford, Rubel Hossain, Steyn, Thushura, Utseya, Dabengwa, Hilfenhaus, Powell, Chigumbura, Maharoof, Nazmul Hossian, Hopes, Iftikhar Anjum, Mills, M. Morkel, Gillespie, Islam, Tsotsobe, Vettori, Baker, Duminy, Kamande, Albie Morkel, Mpofu, Ongondo, Sharma, Tait and Tikolo are all better bowlers on form than Bracken.

So it is very unfair on them to say he is the best odi bowler on the world when he wasn't even the best last year.

On form Sachin Tendulkar isn't the best batsman in the world, although he is still regarded by many as the best atm. One year isn't enough, it needs to be back up like Bracken has done in the past, and he didn't have too bad a year this year. Your last statement is utterly ridiculous and I suggest you look over what you post before doing so.

Just because you don't rate someone Grapedo, doesn't mean they should not be rated.
 
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He was the best ODI bowler in form but currently isn't. He might have an inswinger but probably doesn't back himself to bowl it well. I guess the lack of swing this summer and poor foorm he is in at the moment has a bit to do with it.
 
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grapedo;319319 said:
Probably Mendis, Murali or Kulasekara. Not far off is Umar Gul, Sohail Tanvir and Stuart Broad. As you mentioned they hadn't played odis since the Bangladesh tour in August which he was farley average too.

I'll agree here. Mendis has been fantastic but give him one more year to see how he goes. Kulasekara I agree with, fantastic bowler in my opinion. I still think Bracken is number one unless he has a bad Chappell-Hadlee series.
 
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Mousey;319406 said:
I'll agree here. Mendis has been fantastic but give him one more year to see how he goes. Kulasekara I agree with, fantastic bowler in my opinion. I still think Bracken is number one unless he has a bad Chappell-Hadlee series.

Kulasekara got severely punished in last nights match against India, but still managed to get Tendulkar's wicket.
 
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breeno;319342 said:
On form Sachin Tendulkar isn't the best batsman in the world, although he is still regarded by many as the best atm. One year isn't enough, it needs to be back up like Bracken has done in the past, and he didn't have too bad a year this year. Your last statement is utterly ridiculous and I suggest you look over what you post before doing so.

Just because you don't rate someone Grapedo, doesn't mean they should not be rated.

I haven't heard anyone regard to Tendulkar as the best test batsman in the world in a long time. If you are the best in the world it is currently not from past performances.

And I do rate Bracken but he has been falseley given that label.

And if you want to base it upon career statistics and players backing it up and that even though Bracken hasn't obviously backed it up then:
Murali
Lee
Ntini
Khan
Akhtar
Harbhajahn
Fernando
Flintoff

Are all better odi bowlers than Bracken. Either way he is obviously not the best in the world not on current form and not on previous performances.
 
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Mousey;319406 said:
I'll agree here. Mendis has been fantastic but give him one more year to see how he goes. Kulasekara I agree with, fantastic bowler in my opinion. I still think Bracken is number one unless he has a bad Chappell-Hadlee series.

That is not likely though Mousey seen as New Zealand make even the most average bowlers look good.
 
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grapedo;320214 said:
I haven't heard anyone regard to Tendulkar as the best test batsman in the world in a long time. If you are the best in the world it is currently not from past performances.

And I do rate Bracken but he has been falseley given that label.

And if you want to base it upon career statistics and players backing it up and that even though Bracken hasn't obviously backed it up then:
Murali
Lee
Ntini
Khan
Akhtar
Harbhajahn
Fernando
Flintoff

Are all better odi bowlers than Bracken. Either way he is obviously not the best in the world not on current form and not on previous performances.

I'm talking in the past year to two years, stop twisting peoples words Grapedo, it's pathetic. Bottom line is he is the Top ODI bowler.
 
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