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i know what people will say about this team, but im convinced its the way we should go, we have a keeper whos a great bat so i think we can afford to bat mitch at 7 , lets see if he can play as an allrounder, it may take some presure off him as a bowler as well. especially knowing what sort of pitches we"ll get if we lose the 2nd test, we may need 5 bowlers. with this team we could bowl our bowlers in much quicker sharper spells and theres a lot of variety there, if we"d played this team over the last 12 months we would have been much better off as hussey hasnt fired a shot for a long time now.
1 hughes
2 katich
3 ponting
4 clark
5 north
6 haddin
7 johnson
8 lee
9 hauritz
10 siddle
11hilfinhaus
 
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For me, same team essentially - but Johnson's spot up for grabs between himself, Clark and Lee. They're all pretty unattractive options at the moment, but our squad is pretty limiting.

I'm not opposed to dropping Hussey but I don't see any truly viable alternatives. McDonald coming in would leave our batting lineup depleted. Ditto Manou, although he'd maybe stop us leaking so many byes. I think MJ has bigger things to worry about at the moment without having to fill the allrounder's batting spot, and Watson is just a lottery.
 
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chances are lee and bandaid will come back in, while i agree lee should play im not overly convinced about bandaid playing, we need changes though.
 
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I'd keep the same format as we have now. Leaving us another batsman short isn't the answer, esp. if they keep producing roads as pitches for the last 3 tests- we'll be behind the 8 ball from the start.

Troy Cooley had better earn his wages in the week between tests and get Johnson in those nets. If he can't sort it out during this next week, its time for him to get dropped.

Whether it wrecks his confidence or not, we can't have a passenger with only 4 front line bowlers, and Lee or Clark gets a bowl.

I'm still surprised that Clark didn't get a run in this test, as he would've been able to use the Lord's characterisitics well I would've thought! ;)
 
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i think its even more important to strenghen your bowling on road pitches, we"ll be 1/0 down tonight so we must win the next test and you have to take 20 wkts to do that, if 6 frontline batsman cant hit a winning score then chances are 7 wont either, and remember lee. mitch, hauritz can all bat, especially on flat tracks with old balls.
 
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drop siddle for lee (if hes fit which he may not be) and if johnson does horrible in the tour match between the games then bring in clark (who should have been playing since the first test - 90 wickets at an average of 21 and playing well right now... people have very short memories, but hilfy has made it hard for him to come back now) i know people will say how siddle should be playing and that hes the next legend and stuff but if he is then he better want to start improving damn fast, IMO he is letting the side down as much as johnson. all great players get dropped when the faulter, and we have to learn from 2005, gillespie and kaspa (two of my favourite all-time bowlers) were out of form and they stuck with them just that game too long when they had a bad run. johnson has to prove his spot in the tour match otherwise he has a game to have a hard think about himself then maybe bring him back next test or wait till the ODIs. siddle just hasnt worked since they picked him yet people still keep looking up to him. and hussey cant be dropped now that he is averaging about 50 for this tour and is looking good with the bat, its just bad decisions or normal lapses of concentration. once he is settled now he looks much better then he did last tour. batsman are different to bowlers and can be given the benifit of the doubt for just one more game... then one more after that. starting to lose faith in my favourite batsman in the side though.
 
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i still dont think hussey looked comfortable, he will hold his spot but he wouldnt have even be playing if i had my way, but im sure everyone knows that by now. also mitch proved again what a good bat he is, regarding my team mentioned above, a lot of you may think that our batting let us down and weakening it to bat mitch at 7 and lee at 8 is wrong, but i reckon our bowling cost us the match, if we went with that line up it may cost us 80/100 runs in batting, but it will allow us to put much more pressure on the english bats and IMO we would be chasing a lot less.
 
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1 hughes/ Marsh
2 katich
3 ponting
4 clark
5 Hodge
6 north
7 haddin
8 Johnson
9 lee/ Siddle
10 Braken
11hilfinhaus/Clarke

Strengthen the batting line up..I'd prefer Marsh to open with Katich
 
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As an Englishman

Hughes, Katich, Ponting, Hussey, Clarke, North, Haddin, Johnson, Lee, Clark, Hauritz

:D

But in all seriousness, Hauritz should be the only bowler under threat, Johnson wont be dropped no matter how shit he bowls, he is the new Brett Lee. Hilfenhaus and Siddle were Australias best bowlers for the match and their most dangerous no matter how much some try to put down the latter so it just leaves Hauritz as there wont be much spin or really any life in the remaining pitches. But with the squad Australia has, they shouldnt change the side at all, they lost but Lee and Clark wont improve things especially if its in Siddles place, only other option is McDonald for Hauritz or Hussey

As for England

Strauss, Cook, KP, Collingwood, Bell, Prior, Bopara/Flintoff, Swann, Broad, Anderson, Onions/Sidebottom
 
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Hughes
Katich
*Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
North
+Haddin
Hauritz
Siddle
Clark
Hilfenhaus

Just one change, Johnson's out and Clark is in. We need to create more pressure and with Clark's economical bowling I think we can do that. The other three can all create the pressure needed at one end but we need to do it at both to pry out English wickets and with Johnson bowling rubbish at one end we can't do that. Mitch needs to go back to the nets and work on his control and being able to bowl some tight spells in order to create the pressure needed to take wickets.

I think Johnson's trying to bowl too fast rather than working on trying to get every ball in the right areas. Fast is no good when you bowl one or two good balls an over. The other three bowlers have been okay, Hilfenhaus has been good, Siddle has been serviceable and Hauritz has done enough as the spinner. None of those three deserve to be dropped although I have a feeling one will be the scapegoat.

It's likely we'll go in unchanged into the third test but with every player on notice to pull their finger out and start contributing.

eddiesmith;357311 said:
As for England

Strauss, Cook, KP, Collingwood, Bell, Prior, Bopara/Flintoff, Swann, Broad, Anderson, Onions/Sidebottom
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I'd bring in Sidebottom for Broad who hasn't done a lot in the last two tests. Bopara's fairly useless and shouldn't be there, no way he is a number three bat and Bell doesn't inspire me all that much.

Not sure what Rob Key has to do to get a game and Owais Shah for that matter.
 
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i think that there is a bit of a theme here; Lee is in trouble for trying to bowl too fast and now we have Johnston being criticised for much the same thing. Perhaps Ponting is whispering the wrong message to his bowlers?

i watched Bopara against the WIndies- he suffers a bit from nerves but i think he is the best prospect for number 3 in England at the moment.
 
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Ljp86;357318 said:
I'd bring in Sidebottom for Broad who hasn't done a lot in the last two tests. Bopara's fairly useless and shouldn't be there, no way he is a number three bat and Bell doesn't inspire me all that much.

Not sure what Rob Key has to do to get a game and Owais Shah for that matter.
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Onions was carrying an injury in the last match so would be sceptical about playing him again

It seems KP is out, so Bell comes in at no5 and Collingwood moves up to no4

Bopara is crap, but we lack no3 options, whoever plays there will fail, would have liked to see KP tried though but that wont happen now and with KPs injury they wont be making 2 changes to the batting

Key is crap and Shah failed when given chances over the English winter tours

Although 9 days out, but Monty has been pulled from Northants and will be in the squad likely with Harmison, however it seems they are planning on bringing back Monty for Onions :eek:
 
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Shah would be perfect for number 3. For whatever reason, he has been horribly mistreated by England's selectors (88 on debut, dropped, played one test in the next 3 years) and is always the first person to be made the scapegoat for England's poor performances, whilst the established players seem to get limitless chances. He's the kind of character who wouldn't be at all intimidated by the Australians, as Bopara appears to be.

However, it seems unlikely that he will get a game, even if KP doesn't play. I can see England bringing Bell in for KP and Bresnan for Flintoff because OMG HE'S AN ALL ROUNDER!!!
 
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eddiesmith;357311 said:
As an Englishman

Hughes, Katich, Ponting, Hussey, Clarke, North, Haddin, Johnson, Lee, Clark, Hauritz

:D

But in all seriousness, Hauritz should be the only bowler under threat, Johnson wont be dropped no matter how shit he bowls, he is the new Brett Lee. Hilfenhaus and Siddle were Australias best bowlers for the match and their most dangerous no matter how much some try to put down the latter so it just leaves Hauritz as there wont be much spin or really any life in the remaining pitches. But with the squad Australia has, they shouldnt change the side at all, they lost but Lee and Clark wont improve things especially if its in Siddles place, only other option is McDonald for Hauritz or Hussey

As for England

Strauss, Cook, KP, Collingwood, Bell, Prior, Bopara/Flintoff, Swann, Broad, Anderson, Onions/Sidebottom
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i agree but disagree. hauritz is the best spin bowler in the ashes so far, he has troubled the most and has gotten the most wickets. you cant go dropping the best spinner in the tournament. as much as people may not like him he has done well, so i think the only two bowlers with a question mark is siddle and johnson. hilfy and hauritz were most troubling and siddle had a very good spell and i started to fall for his side, but he once again proved to me that he isnt consistent and then went 6 overs in a row without a single good ball. then he kept bowling wide and batsman picked him off. funny that for the new australian container and wicket taker (in clarks place) that he had a worse economy rate then the failing mitch. and mitch at least troubled the batsman here and there at least every couple of overs. siddle is my man to drop and johnson maybe if he performs badly in the tour match this weekend.
 
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eddiesmith;357351 said:
Onions was carrying an injury in the last match so would be sceptical about playing him again

It seems KP is out, so Bell comes in at no5 and Collingwood moves up to no4

Bopara is crap, but we lack no3 options, whoever plays there will fail, would have liked to see KP tried though but that wont happen now and with KPs injury they wont be making 2 changes to the batting

Key is crap and Shah failed when given chances over the English winter tours
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I still think Key or Shah would be a better fit at three than Bopara who just seems to be really struggling against the Australian attack.

Pietersen out really exposes the middle order, Collingwood isn't suited to number four I don't think and Bell's form is like a yo-yo.

eddiesmith said:
Although 9 days out, but Monty has been pulled from Northants and will be in the squad likely with Harmison, however it seems they are planning on bringing back Monty for Onions :eek:
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Please oh please pick Monty, we could use another 6/674 declared. :D

a for effort;357354 said:
Shah would be perfect for number 3. For whatever reason, he has been horribly mistreated by England's selectors (88 on debut, dropped, played one test in the next 3 years) and is always the first person to be made the scapegoat for England's poor performances, whilst the established players seem to get limitless chances. He's the kind of character who wouldn't be at all intimidated by the Australians, as Bopara appears to be.

However, it seems unlikely that he will get a game, even if KP doesn't play. I can see England bringing Bell in for KP and Bresnan for Flintoff because OMG HE'S AN ALL ROUNDER!!!
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Sounds like potentially picking Bresnan is similar to what they've done with McDonald and Watson, picked an all-rounder for the sake of being one.
 
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my line up would be
hughes
katich
ponting
hussey
clarke
haddin
johnson
hauritz
siddle
clark
hilfenhaus

we need extra bowling options i think with stuart clark in it would release a bit of pressure off johnson. he will come good soon and he is capable of batting higher. north has too hundreds but every other score is single figures. if our batters don't bat well i don't an extra one will make the difference
 
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yeah, i dont think north has cemented his place in the team, his bowling is club level and he did fail in both innings with the bat, but gee, whats hussey have to do to get dropped ?
 
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Ljp86;357373 said:
I still think Key or Shah would be a better fit at three than Bopara who just seems to be really struggling against the Australian attack.

Pietersen out really exposes the middle order, Collingwood isn't suited to number four I don't think and Bell's form is like a yo-yo.



Please oh please pick Monty, we could use another 6/674 declared. :D
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Collingwood averages 56 at no4 and has an Ashes double century there

As for Monty, dont worry, if some of these fans had their way England would respond with 4/700 after Australia drop their most dangerous bowlers for the washed up hacks Lee and Clark :D
 
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eddiesmith;357414 said:
Collingwood averages 56 at no4 and has an Ashes double century there
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I think he's much more suited to five or six in the order, gives the side more stability. England's batting was good in the second test, if anyone should replace Pietersen at four (if he doesn't play), it should be Bell or perhaps another player. I don't see the point of moving someone who has been batting well enough at five for someone who is in and out of the side, it could see both players fail rather than one or even none.

eddiesmith said:
As for Monty, dont worry, if some of these fans had their way England would respond with 4/700 after Australia drop their most dangerous bowlers for the washed up hacks Lee and Clark :D
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True. However, I still Clark has something to offer to the side but not at the expense of Siddle, Hilfenhaus or Hauritz. I think Johnson is the only bowler who's in danger of being dropped. If he doesn't perform in the tour match he could be in trouble.
 
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