Muahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

[STING]

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It's plain and simple. As things stand right now, there is absolutely no love lost between the 2 very different cricket cultures, which are good in their own right.

Very true , playing cricket in England really opened my eyes to experience the different culture between all countries .

I believe the reason why the West Indies of that era captured the imagination was they showed that teams could rise up to become a super power . Before the 70's only the Aussies , England and later South Africa had dominated would cricket . The West Indies provided an attacking , flamboyant batting line up , a battery a fast bowlers and in general an exciting style of cricket .

Ask any Aussie about the 80's and we have vivad memories of the merciless beatings we were given by them . The sportmanship point was just to illustrate that although your opinion or view of them not being like the current Aussies and perhaps more likeable isn't always the case . All countries , teams and players have moments and incidents where the line has been crossed . You point regarding Tv, net coverage is definatly a very valid one . Today ALL players are heavily scrutinised with every move and judgement call they make .

Besides the controveries which i believe where blown up significantly by both Australian and Indian media I haven't enjoyed a series more in several years . I just think we all need to be very careful pointing the finger because there will always be a case where our team , players and countries have overstepped that same mark .

 

[Chandu]

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STING, you joined this board back in December 2005 like me, but started posting today? Where have intelligent posters like you on this board been?

This conversation with you which I'm enjoying, contrast that with juvenile crap like this PM I got today:

go back to india you curry munching kwik e mart turban wearer! we don't need wankers like you talking ******** about australia! number one team in the world mate
last THREE world cup's without losing a game

or some of Kram and the other bluebagger bloke's "well thought-out" commentary. If there were more posters around frequently posting like you, Ljp, (Tigers Man is another good name that comes to mind from old days, but sadly, he just vanished without a trace), I would never have thoughts about staying away from this board. But unfortunately in my recent interactions, it is the crap kind above which has dominated anything sensible.

Anyway, you brought up the point about old West Indies rising up from a minnow to the top. I would like to add something slightly related to that, if I may. As I said before, guys like Malcolm Mashall, Joel Garner, Viv Richards had won great number of fans in India. Considering this fact, it was incomprehensible when accusations of racism were launched towards India in general about Andrew Symonds. Yes, I know about couple of idiots in Mumbai making sounds at him, but I think they were drunk, isolated and not representing all. The whole Symonds stuff later on was incomprehensible and made no sense at all. I think what was lost on Australian media was that Andrew Symonds "the person" is disliked in India, not Andrew Symonds "the black person". It is possible that the couple of blokes in Mumbai were making fun of Andrew Symonds "the person" and not Andrew Symonds "the black dude" too. But since I wasn't there and don't know them, I won't say more than what I already said.

Anyway, my point is that there were too many things like that about this tour and how media/umpires/officials handled them which made very little sense. Accumulation of lot of these culture clashes is what has led to the residual bitterness.

 

[STING]

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Anyway, my point is that there were too many things like that about this tour and how media/umpires/officials handled them which made very little sense. Accumulation of lot of these culture clashes is what has led to the residual bitterness.

I came across from Bigfooty for a look signed up then forgot about it . It has been interesting reading the thoughts of people on a local and international level so i thought i would get involved .

I can't comment on what happened in India with Symonds as i wasn't there to witness it . The footage didn't look great but as you say it only takes a few idiots in the crowd to spoil it .

I believe the main issue today with the professionalism of the game is that the end of day catch up and drink between the sides has basically stopped . It sounds like such a minor detail but after a hard days play and war on the field this is where any issues can be nutted out and solved between the sides or individuals .

Ponting in my view copped harsh criticsm from reporting Harbajan's ' comment ' but he only did what the ICC had instructed him to do so he was basically in a rock and a hard place . If this situation was handled between the captains and players involved without any official interference it would have been a non issue and no doubt sorted out . That would have been the end of it right there .

 

[Ljp86]

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STING, you joined this board back in December 2005 like me, but started posting today? Where have intelligent posters like you on this board been?

This conversation with you which I'm enjoying, contrast that with juvenile crap like this PM I got today:



or some of Kram and the other bluebagger bloke's "well thought-out" commentary. If there were more posters around frequently posting like you, Ljp, (Tigers Man is another good name that comes to mind from old days, but sadly, he just vanished without a trace), I would never have thoughts about staying away from this board. But unfortunately in my recent interactions, it is the crap kind above which has dominated anything sensible.

Tigers Man had to leave the site in order to go in for an operation in hospital, although I'm not sure what it was for. His girlfriend used to post on here under the username of "Binga's Girl" but both posters haven't been back since.

 

[Chandu]

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... Harbajan's ' comment ' ...

All Harbhajan had ever said (which BTW is uttered daily by millions of kids on playgrounds in India and Pakistan - yes, I know it is childish, but so is all kinds of slogging in Australia, England too) was the Hindi or Urdu pharse:

Teri maa ki.

Translated literally, it means "Your mother's".

Yes, it is always intentionally spoken truncated, because you can guess what the real, original untruncated phrase means. (It is pretty much never spoken due to explicit, vulgar references to private parts). Due to its intentional truncation and overuse, it is almost lost on the person speaking it real meaning of original insult. I'm not making this up, but you might even hear little girls in the subcontinent uttering such insult without giving second thought about its real meaning.

Now, Harbhajan with his Punjabi accent which involves more nasal sounds (he's from Punjab) said the same thing which sounds like:

Teri maan ki.

Australian players including Ponting immediately jumped on this worthless insult, categorically stating that he said "monkey".

This whole thing was reported as such somewhere in Indian media. I can look up the link in a little while. Here it is:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23039608-5001023,00.html

... he only did what the ICC had instructed him to do.

I disagree on that point. The insults being hurled around here are very much of childish variety. There have been so many sledges of equally childish variety hurled around on cricket grounds all over the world over years, that if such ICC instructions were carried out verbatim, it would be impossible to play any real cricket and we would be playing school headmaster. Does Ponting claim to understand all various languages in the world, and among them various dialects and accents that he can categorically report them? If Harbhajan really wanted to racially insult, why would he do it using an English word in the first place? He could've done it in Hindi and nobody would've known. Except that he never wanted to.

How about this: Brian Lara has been on record in number of public interviews that he has been on friendly terms with Harbhajan and they've communicated with each other about general cricket matters outside of official mode. Do you suppose a person who has Brian Lara among his friendship circle would use a racist abuse at another black player? It's senseless.

The worst part of ICC, BCCI and Cricket Australia involvement in all this was that testimony of highly respectable players like Sachin and Kumble was completely ignored in the first hearing. These are players of high integrity, and there have been tons of other players from other countries who've vouched for their integrity. Harbhajan is not in the same category. He is a very temperamental and volatile character, but in a comical way. He is not in a "mean to the core" category, but is very easy to wind up. Anyway, to have Sachin and Kumble dragged in these childish hearings and being ignored was the stupidest waste of time, and it left nothing but bitterness behind. The fact that Ponting didn't even confer with Kumble as per original agreement, and went behind his back with official report was considered nothing short of unsporting in India.

 

[STING]

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All Harbhajan had ever said (which BTW is uttered daily by millions of kids on playgrounds in India and Pakistan - yes, I know it is childish, but so is all kinds of slogging in Australia, England too) was the Hindi or Urdu pharse:

Teri maa ki.

Whilst I don't dispute that is what he would have said at worst it was naive of Harbajan to utter anything remotely like the word ' monkey' be it native tongue or not . Symonds had made it clear that he found the word or term 'monkey' insulting so even going near it was playing with fire in the first place . I must clarify that I have no problem with Harbajan in fact I like the way he plays , again not that I always agree with how he handles himself on the field . In this case he is guilty of stupidity if nothing else .

Your last point is exactly what I was talking about before . If the traditional after days play drinks and chat were present this issue would have been sorted before it even started between the players involved and the captains . Players would have a far better understanding of the boundaries they cannot cross with each other . Ponting for mine simple followed ICC proceedure , I don't agree with the proceedure but it is there . He is damned if his does and damned if he doesn't . So I feel for him there .

Also we need to remember that Ponting simple did what all good captains do and that is back his player to the hilt . It may not have been the most effective way and it proved not but again he did what protocol had asked of him . I am sure that Kumble or MS Dhoni would so exactly the same for any of the Indians feeling they had been wronged , be it correct or not .

 

[Kram81]

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Yeah, yeah. Whatever you say. You're so always spot on. India indeed weren't lucky enough to draw even a single test. It was all 4-0 whitewash, all of them innings defeats.

What's that? Oops, except that there were these slight problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti9AFeF7zlY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reNqR0YemZg

Looks like it took Punter making the final decisions, raising his finger to declare an opposing team player "out", so he could "win" his Border-Gavaskar trophy. What a fantastic "achievement"!!!! Is that something going to stick in history books, like the Trevor Chappell underarm incident? I'm surprised Punter didn't keep raising his finger during the CB Series, so he could've won his precious little CB trophy which was fully deserved by the Aussies, just like the Border-Gavaskar trophy. I mean, Symonds himself knew he had nicked the ball loud and clear, so they could hear it across the Tasman sea. But there was only one slight problem. Symonds truly deserved lifting the Border-Gavaskar trophy, so it was imperative he stayed on and saw the matter fully resolved.

What a convincing and decisive test series victory that was, just like Dubya beating Al Gore so convincingly in Florida in 2000!!!! Sporting achievements like these are what dreams are made of. And then when things don't start going your way, some Aussie players sure know the winning formula. To go on TV/radio talk shows and start whinging about other team players, instead of focussing on the basics of cricket, that is. I'm sure focussing on things like these, that's what has led to the superb batting form for Punter.

Keep it up Australian cricket, the future sure looks bright, as you've discovered the magic formula for success!!!! @|

Give it a rest with the all against us garbage. We copped some ordinary decisions in the (Edgbaston?) Test in the '05' Ashes yet I didn't act the goat, its part of the game, you get the good with the bad. Yes, yes the Symmonds edge was ridiculous but notice say Sharma trying to walk back when he nicked the at the end to check he got the finger. Or don't tell me that there wasn't a massive chance that he didn't walk out to the crease intentionally taking 2 R/H gloves?

Sadly both sides behaved very poorly during the tour and it was not a great sight to see |@ Rivalry is great but the game still needs to be played in right spirit.

I just think that this thread hasn't achieved a whole lot. Already there's been posts that are just a reaction or a retaliation to this thread. Perhaps if you had have been here for the series, a thread about India's victory (not as extensive as this one) may have been better received.

Exactly, calls others childish yet vanishes through the series to return posting a mature thread entitled 'Muahahahahah'.

Look Chandu, I've obviously upset you by saying that Australia would thrash India 4-0 and criticising India's past performances. To their credit they won the Perth Test and the CB series. I probably was a bit over the top and you guys seem to be very
passionate about your team so it's understandable.

 

[Kram81]

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Yes, I suppose you're correct.

On the other hand, so were some of Kram's preposterous statements before the tour started. You can look them up, I quoted parts of them when I started this thread. I didn't see anyone here saying those were way over the top then. Traffic doesn't just flow one-way.

I can guess whatever I want including a 4-0.. Guessed 4-0 against England last year and was only 1 off from 5-0. Did you predict a Test series result? A little different than turning up from out of the blue after a 'win' and gloating with a pile of pictures. I do sincerely apologise if it sounded too aggressive with my prediction (calling India Australia's bitches was not on) but as Ljp said try to sometimes try not take it too seriously.

 

[Chandu]

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Whilst I don't dispute that is what he would have said at worst it was naive of Harbajan to utter anything remotely like the word ' monkey' be it native tongue or not . Symonds had made it clear that he found the word or term 'monkey' insulting so even going near it was playing with fire in the first place .

Maybe.

The only thing about that I would comment on is the this: Unless you're a multilingual person (which pretty much big majority of Indian population is, some of them even fluent in 3 to 4 languages), you can't appreciate following easily. I'm not necessarily making an assumption about you personally that you're mono-lingual. But I think it's a fair assumption on my part that all of Australian team, and majority of Aussie population is mono-lingual English speaking. [See my tangential comment about Kevin Rudd below.]

Every time a multilingual person opens their mouth to speak in one language, they can't consciously stop and keep wondering what those words sound like and mean something totally unrelated in another language. You just cannot carry on communicating that way, or you would start sounding like a translator or a robot. We're talking about a guy like Harbhajan who is an emotional hot-head, who must have uttered that phrase like billion times unconsciously in his lifetime before. I can't seriously imagine him pre-planning and deciding in his mind if it sounds like "monkey".

Considering how much contact these Aussie international players have had with Indian / Pakistani players before, I have to think this was not the first time those words fell on their ears. I'm not claiming they understood them, but I'm sure they've heard epithets like "teri maa ki", "bhenchod" many times before. I think it's just that the Aussie players ears were more tuned like antennas, looking for reception of words like "monkey" or whatever. In this case they went looking for controversy, when there was need for none.

OK, now somewhat off-topic. But I feel compelled mentioning it in this context. I said most of Australia in mono-lingual. But I watched that fluent Mandarin Chinese speaking video of your new PM Kevin Rudd the other day, and I was floored and seriously impressed!!!! @| I don't want to go too off-topic and turn this thread into politics. Just watching that video and reading few other policy decisions by Rudd made my respect in him go up like billion times compared to the older John Howard guy. It's OK, it's OK. If anyone of you think of Howard more highly than Rudd, don't get mad at me. He's your PM, not mine. So my read on them is probably very tangential. I just had to say it for whatever it is worth, since we were talking about languages.

 

[Ljp86]

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OK, now somewhat off-topic. But I feel compelled mentioning it in this context. I said most of Australia in mono-lingual. But I watched that fluent Mandarin Chinese speaking video of your new PM Kevin Rudd the other day, and I was floored and seriously impressed!!!! @| I don't want to go too off-topic and turn this thread into politics. Just watching that video and reading few other policy decisions by Rudd made my respect in him go up like billion times compared to the older John Howard guy. It's OK, it's OK. If anyone of you think of Howard more highly than Rudd, don't get mad at me. He's your PM, not mine. So my read on them is probably very tangential. I just had to say it for whatever it is worth, since we were talking about languages.

Howard lost touch with the people during his last term. Too much crap went on during his period as Prime Minster and it just eventually built up and that's what finished him off. He also seemed to lose his engagement with the Australian people, the WorkChoices decision was a deadset shocker as then there was the Iraq call and also the Children Overboard scandal and various other things that went on.

Howard was a decent leader at times, in fact he did a pretty good job with Australia's economy, turning it into a powerhouse before it unravelled on him to a point at the end of his last term. Interest rates went right down and Australia's growth was phenomenal, he was a very good PM in terms of finance and economic ideals. However, there was probably a little too much dishonesty and there were some bad calls that just built up over time and that's what saw him cop a belting at the polls.

Kevin Rudd is a very likeable person though and he used that to his advantage as well as pointing out the mistakes of the Howard government. His policies and what he and the Labor party stood also captured the attention of the Australian people and that is what saw him win. The majority of the Australian public just didn't feel comfortable with Howard in charge anymore.

Rudd has done a great job so far, he's kept his word on everything he has said, he signed the Kyoto Protical not long after being elected, something which he was strongly in favour of doing. I believe that he could be PM for a while yet. Many believe Rudd could be there for as long as three or four terms but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Zeke]

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Pyjama cricket = yawn.

Test cricket is still the purest and truest test of a cricket side.

 

[Kram81]

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Howard lost touch with the people during his last term. Too much crap went on during his period as Prime Minster and it just eventually built up and that's what finished him off. He also seemed to lose his engagement with the Australian people, the WorkChoices decision was a deadset shocker as then there was the Iraq call and also the Children Overboard scandal and various other things that went on.

Howard was a decent leader at times, in fact he did a pretty good job with Australia's economy, turning it into a powerhouse before it unravelled on him to a point at the end of his last term. Interest rates went right down and Australia's growth was phenomenal, he was a very good PM in terms of finance and economic ideals. However, there was probably a little too much dishonesty and there were some bad calls that just built up over time and that's what saw him cop a belting at the polls.

Kevin Rudd is a very likeable person though and he used that to his advantage as well as pointing out the mistakes of the Howard government. His policies and what he and the Labor party stood also captured the attention of the Australian people and that is what saw him win. The majority of the Australian public just didn't feel comfortable with Howard in charge anymore.

Rudd has done a great job so far, he's kept his word on everything he has said, he signed the Kyoto Protical not long after being elected, something which he was strongly in favour of doing. I believe that he could be PM for a while yet. Many believe Rudd could be there for as long as three or four terms but we'll have to wait and see.

The GoldenBlue cheerleder bloke has been at you hasn't he Ljp?

In all seriousness even as a Liberal voter I really agree with most of what you have said there. Howard's time was up - he had became too negative/stagnated and quite understandably the public moved against him, despite much of the good work he had done.

Rudd's provided the slick 'working families' sales talk. He may have plenty style but we need some substance. Hopefully he can back this up but the proposed scrapping of a $1600 bonus to Carers of the ill and elderly is not a good start, maybe they are not part of Rudd's 'working familes' definition?

Interesting times for Australia in the next few years, perhaps a good time to check out a different view concerning the running of the country, hopefully it all works out well for everybody @| And Ljp . . it's good to hear a political opinion that doesn't sound like someone barracking for a bloody football team @|

 

[Ljp86]

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The GoldenBlue cheerleder bloke has been at you hasn't he Ljp?

Mate, I played fantasy cricket with him at the West Coast Warriors for three seasons. We had to talk about something in the slip cordon.

In all seriousness even as a Liberal voter I really agree with most of what you have said there. Howard's time was up - he had became too negative/stagnated and quite understandably the public moved against him, despite much of the good work he had done.

Rudd's provided the slick 'working families' sales talk. He may have plenty style but we need some substance. Hopefully he can back this up but the proposed scrapping of a $1600 bonus to Carers of the ill and elderly is not a good start, maybe they are not part of Rudd's 'working familes' definition?

Interesting times for Australia in the next few years, perhaps a good time to check out a different view concerning the running of the country, hopefully it all works out well for everybody @| And Ljp . . it's good to hear a political opinion that doesn't sound like someone barracking for a bloody football team @|

The proposed scrapping I don't really agree with. That's not really a step in the right direction, that money is very important to those who look work in illness and aged care.

I tend not to bother too much with the politics board on BigFooty. Most of the people on there are so obsessed with their own parties that they don't even really listen to the other side of the argument, it's just constant bleating of how their party is right and the other is wrong and I can't be bothered reading through all that crap.

 

[schwab2clarkson]

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Yes, I suppose you're correct.

On the other hand, so were some of Kram's preposterous statements before the tour started. You can look them up, I quoted parts of them when I started this thread. I didn't see anyone here saying those were way over the top then. Traffic doesn't just flow one-way.

Yeah mate I totally agree. Without sounding rude here, I think that it is best to stay quiet and then wait and see what your team does and then celebrate. What both you and Kram did were simply saying that one team was going to win against another team by coming out and sounding cocky. Also when you replied with this thread and i know you were talking about juvenile people making ******** threads, isn't that mature. But I know that you being the poster who knows his cricket is a top guy. @| Just don't let everyone down by posting these sorts of threads. |@