New Australian ODI spinner?

[Kram81]

New Australian ODI spinner?

With the great Hoggy retiring who do you guys think is the most suitable replacement?

Cullen? Hauritz? The old boy McGain (probably more likely Tests though)? Heal?

Or should the Australians just rely on 4 quicks and use the part timers in Symmonds and Clarke until someone worthy stands up?

Please no one say Cameron White, he can't bowl, maybe as a batsman though@|

 

[Ljp86]

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With the great Hoggy retiring who do you guys think is the most suitable replacement?

Cullen?

Not on his current form. Cullen has been pretty average this year, his four day form is horrible while his one-day form has been okay.

I think he was blooded a bit too early in those games against Bangladesh. Another good year in the Ford Ranger Cup next year should have his name on the table.

Hauritz?

Haha, absolutely no way. Absolute pie chucker of the highest order, most of his wickets are caught by crowd members.

Was tried for a while there but was then outbowled on a wicket in India where the ball turned 90 degrees if you were a spinner. Clakre took 6/9 off about 6.3 overs while Hauritz bowled almost 30 overs for an ordinary return of 2/87.

His bowling average this year in the Ford Ranger Cup (FRC) was 46.29, hardly form good enough to receive a call up.

The old boy McGain (probably more likely Tests though)?

Having said that, he is a good chance to be picked in my opinion. After Hogg, he has the been the best spinner in the country and the fact that he is a leg-spinner may also work in his favour.

Maybe. Tied for the most amount of wickets in the FRC and was probably the best bowler in the Pura Cup. The only problem with McGain is that he is 35 and if he did get the call-up, he would only be a short-term fix. Australia might be lucky to get perhaps two or three years out of him and the selectors may opt to develop a younger player who can give them a lot more service rather than an older player who they will have to look for a replacement for in a couple of years time.

However, he is the best spinner in Australia at the moment after Hogg and I feel he is a good chance of being selected even if he doesn't have time on his side. Let's not forget that MacGill and then Hogg were preferred over the younger spinners even though they were a lot older than the other contenders.

Heal?

As a West Aussie, I'd love to see Heal in the team. I believe he has a case too. His Twenty20 bowling in the KFC Big Bash was fantastic and in the Twenty20 final between WA and Victoria that I went to, Heal bowled superbly. On a WACA pitch that was a batters paradise, Heal bowled four overs and took 2/24. He was easily WA's best bowler and one of the best bowlers for the game. In contrast, the rest of the WA line-up gave up over 160 more runs, quite a remarkable effort by Heal on such a benign pitch.

Heal's FRC form was okay but he only played six games. His average was just over 30 but it could have been lower had he played ten matches. I believe that he could play for Australia in the future, even if he only plays one-day games.

A player I'd like to see in the one-day side is Xavier Doherty from Tasmania. In my opinion, this guy is a major talent and plays very, very well for Tasmania in the one-dayers. His average for the year was 25.53 in which he took 15 wickets, the same amount as McGain. He took 4/18 or something like that in the FRC Grand Final, a truly superb effort especially in such a pressure game. Doherty is similar to Hogg in my opinion, he is a good bowler and always tries his best when at the bowling crease but he can also bat a bit too, he is similar to Hogg with the bat also, usually just picks up the ones and twos but also has the ability to hit boundaries and play the big shots when needed. Doherty is another player I'd like to see in Australian colours sometime in the future.

The only porblem with Doherty and Heal is that they are both left-arm orthodox bowlers and they will always be in contention for spots in the side should they get there.

Or should the Australians just rely on 4 quicks and use the part timers in Symmonds and Clarke until someone worthy stands up?

Please no one say Cameron White, he can't bowl, maybe as a batsman though@|

I think the selectors would prefer to play a spinner in the side. Symonds and Clarke can hold their own but they can sometimes be hit around a bit and the side will find it painful to have to bowl them ten overs between them to make up the allotted overs. They can also bowl well on occasions also but I think the selectors will want to go with a tweaker.

White isn't a bowler, he is a batter who bowls a bit. He should work on spinning the ball before wanting to be picked an all-rounder. White can certainly hit a ball though, may be an opportunity to play in the one-day side as a batter if he can string some form together and keep up that big hitting of his.

 

[SouthSwans]

Re: New Australian ODI spinner?

1. Haydos
2. Pup (Spinner 3)
3. Punter
4. Dussey (Spinner 2)
5. Roy (Spinner 1)
6. Mussey
7. Haddin
8. Hopes
9. Binga
10. Mitch
11. Bracken

 

[Kram81]

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Thanks for your summary Ljp. Looks like having to pick best from a bad bunch. The ODI spot is probably less of a problem than the Test gap in that someone that can just throw darts and restrict the run rate will probably get the job done. With Tests though it's probably more of a worrry. At Big Footy I've heard an endless amount of Vics crap on about McGain, shame he isn't a bit younger, a wrist spinner would be ideal. How's young Cullen Bailey been playing? I heard big things about him initially but I've been told that he played crap this season.

I suppose there was always going to be some pain after being spoilt with the brilliance of Warne in side for so long.

 

[Ljp86]

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Thanks for your summary Ljp. Looks like having to pick best from a bad bunch. The ODI spot is probably less of a problem than the Test gap in that someone that can just throw darts and restrict the run rate will probably get the job done. With Tests though it's probably more of a worrry. At Big Footy I've heard an endless amount of Vics crap on about McGain, shame he isn't a bit younger, a wrist spinner would be ideal. How's young Cullen Bailey been playing? I heard big things about him initially but I've been told that he played crap this season.

I suppose there was always going to be some pain after being spoilt with the brilliance of Warne in side for so long.

Bailey has been terrible. Has played only three Pura Cup games this year for one wicket and an average of 103 and has not been selected at all this season for SA's one-day side. He's another player to have gone backwards this year and has struggled to break into South Australia's side.

He played in the game against New South Wales which finished today and ended up with 0/154 off 41 overs, so it looks as if he'll have a bowling average of 257 for the year.

He's a long way off getting a regular game with South Australia let along Australia.

Warne was a magical player, a once in a hundred years bowler. There was always going to be a major drop after he retired but we were lucky that we had Hogg for the one-dayers and MacGill as back up for the tests. But now with those players retired or very close to retiring, we are now faced with a problem of who will be Australia's front line spinner and those who are in the running aren't that great.

Interesting to note that Dan Cullen didn't bat in South Australia's innings due to injury so whatever chance he had of going on tour to Pakistan (if it goes ahead) and the West Indies may have just evaporated.

 

[SouthSwans]

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Problem is we've had 4-5 once in a generation bowlers all at once with Warne, McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and MacGill and now Johnson is coming through. We have none of this quality or even potential quality in our spin ranks atm.

 

[Ljp86]

Re: New Australian ODI spinner?

1. Haydos
2. Pup (Spinner 3)
3. Punter
4. Dussey (Spinner 2)
5. Roy (Spinner 1)
6. Mussey
7. Haddin
8. Hopes
9. Binga
10. Mitch
11. Bracken

Problem is we've had 4-5 once in a generation bowlers all at once with Warne, McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and MacGill and now Johnson is coming through. We have none of this quality or even potential quality in our spin ranks atm.

Could it be that South is finally coming around to Mitchell Johnson being the future of Australian cricket?

 

[Your]

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ponting wont have a main spinner for the odi. i mean, he hardly ever used hoggy.

and macgill will play for australia for the next three years in the test team.

 

[SouthSwans]

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Could it be that South is finally coming around to Mitchell Johnson being the future of Australian cricket?

Yeah yeah ... shaddup...

I'll admit I was wrong. But based on statistics prior to his international inclusion I was rightful to have doubts...

 

[schwab2clarkson]

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I reckon it will be either Cullen Bailey or Cam White.

 

[SouthSwans]

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I reckon it will be either Cullen Bailey or Cam White.

Cullen Bailey: FC bowling avg of 257.00 this year and did not play a one day game this year for SA let alone the Aussies.

Cam White: Dave Hussey is a superior batsman and bowler.

 

[Kram81]

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Could it be that South is finally coming around to Mitchell Johnson being the future of Australian cricket?

Had to laugh at THeBushranger on BFooty starting a thread calling for Johnson's head early in the first session at Perth, after weeks of crapping on about how Tait was the best bowler in Australia.

Wait until the end of the game FFS.

 

[Kram81]

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Bailey has been terrible. Has played only three Pura Cup games this year for one wicket and an average of 103 and has not been selected at all this season for SA's one-day side. He's another player to have gone backwards this year and has struggled to break into South Australia's side.

He played in the game against New South Wales which finished today and ended up with 0/154 off 41 overs, so it looks as if he'll have a bowling average of 257 for the year.

Interesting to note that Dan Cullen didn't bat in South Australia's innings due to injury so whatever chance he had of going on tour to Pakistan (if it goes ahead) and the West Indies may have just evaporated.

I heard he was going pretty ordinary but not that bad

Read somewhere that Cullen broke his hand and is out for a few weeks, though the tour has been cancelled anyway.

 

[Ljp86]

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Had to laugh at THeBushranger on BFooty starting a thread calling for Johnson's head early in the first session at Perth, after weeks of crapping on about how Tait was the best bowler in Australia.

Wait until the end of the game FFS.

The BF cricket board used to be full of too many idiots and trolls. It has gotten better of late but there are probably a few others that should have their access removed.

A fruit loop has more cricket knowledge than TheBushranger. I'm suprised he then didn't suggest that Harwood/Denton/McKay/Wise should open the bowling for Australia.

I heard he was going pretty ordinary but not that bad

Read somewhere that Cullen broke his hand and is out for a few weeks, though the tour has been cancelled anyway.

He's been absolutely terrible this year. His career stats aren't much better either, an average of 41 in the Pura Cup while his one-day stats aren't too bad with an average of about 33. Surprised he's not getting more games in the Ford Ranger Cup.

Just saw that the tour has been cancelled. Australia's first game against West Indies is on May 22nd and they'll probably have a couple of warm-up games before then. That leaves them with two months to choose who goes away as the spinner(s) so Cullen should have enough time to heal if he is to go across.

 

[schwab2clarkson]

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Cullen Bailey: FC bowling avg of 257.00 this year and did not play a one day game this year for SA let alone the Aussies.

Cam White: Dave Hussey is a superior batsman and bowler.

That might be the case but I still think that Bailey and Cam White are pretty good. That's just my opinion.
Was Bailey out injured for this year?

 

[SouthSwans]

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That might be the case but I still think that Bailey and Cam White are pretty good. That's just my opinion.
Was Bailey out injured for this year?

No he's just sh*t now.

White is a batsman. He can't bowl.

 

[eddiesmith]

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Bryce McGain is easily Australias best option, a long way back are the rest but they will go with the younger, crapper option and play 4 quicks most matches

 

[schwab2clarkson]

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Bryce McGain is easily Australias best option, a long way back are the rest but they will go with the younger, crapper option and play 4 quicks most matches

Bryce McGain is an old fart. He is good where he is now but he would have serious trouble trying to keep up with the aussie team. He's 36 years old.

 

[SouthSwans]

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Bryce McGain is an old fart. He is good where he is now but he would have serious trouble trying to keep up with the aussie team. He's 36 years old.

I think we're aware of that.

 

[Tassietigersrule]

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Dan Cullen in ODIs, and here's my dark horse for the tests, assuming MacGill isn't fit, Beau Casson!
We have plenty of options for the limited overs cricket, names like Heal, Hauritz and Doherty come to mind. But selectors don't seem to usually pick players playing in 1 form of cricket only, even if they are considered specialists in that form. Still, for a bit of depth, Hauritz, Casson and Doherty should be names that selectors think of.