sack the Australian selectors, vote

[distributer of pain]

sack the Australian selectors, vote

would you sack the Australian selectors ?

 

[gbatman]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

The 2005 ashes was lost over selection blunders.
Last tour of India was lost over selection blunders.
The Australian tour by south Africa was lost over selection blunders.
We are losing the ashes over selection blunders.

How much more of this can we take?

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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FFS, everytime Australia has a series in which they struggle we can never admit that perhaps the other side has our measure. It's always the selectors fault, or it's Pontings's fault, or its the umpires. Why not admit that perhaps we are just not that good?

At the moment we are an ordinary team, we have one all-time great in Ponting - who we almost exclusively rely on to get a big score. He realistically probably won't be there much longer, especially if we lose the Ashes. In that sense if we did lose he'd probably stay around long enough for another crack at regaining them, which would be more or less a year from now and then he'd look at retiring. Much like Warne and McGrath did after 2005, (and Langer).

So in test cricket we probably have his services for at most another year or so? If he struggles for the rest of the series and we end up losing 3-0 or 4-0 then I doubt he'd even remain in the team to be honest.

Our bowling is currently lacklustre, it's a workmanlike unit but we need bowlers in form to be a threat. At the moment that looks unlikely.

All is not lost by any means in this series, but before this series I didn't think England were all that good of a team. I still don't think they are that good, i feel apart from Flintoff they have an ordinary bowling lineup. I think there batting is also brittle.

In some sense that makes our current struggles frustating, but you can't blame the selectors for Johnson's struggles. Or Hussey's shocking decision making.
Siddle is young and inexperienced. As is Hilfenhaus. Hauritz has provided more then expected - but his no major threat to any batting team.

Lots of people are no doubt frustated with our performance, in that sense often the selectors/captain/coach come in for some heat.

But lets be honest, we are playing poorly.

 

[distributer of pain]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

FFS, everytime Australia has a series in which they struggle we can never admit that perhaps the other side has our measure. It's always the selectors fault, or it's Pontings's fault, or its the umpires. Why not admit that perhaps we are just not that good?

At the moment we are an ordinary team, we have one all-time great in Ponting - who we almost exclusively rely on to get a big score. He realistically probably won't be there much longer, especially if we lose the Ashes. In that sense if we did lose he'd probably stay around long enough for another crack at regaining them, which would be more or less a year from now and then he'd look at retiring. Much like Warne and McGrath did after 2005, (and Langer).

So in test cricket we probably have his services for at most another year or so? If he struggles for the rest of the series and we end up losing 3-0 or 4-0 then I doubt he'd even remain in the team to be honest.

Our bowling is currently lacklustre, it's a workmanlike unit but we need bowlers in form to be a threat. At the moment that looks unlikely.

All is not lost by any means in this series, but before this series I didn't think England were all that good of a team. I still don't think they are that good, i feel apart from Flintoff they have an ordinary bowling lineup. I think there batting is also brittle.

In some sense that makes our current struggles frustating, but you can't blame the selectors for Johnson's struggles. Or Hussey's shocking decision making.
Siddle is young and inexperienced. As is Hilfenhaus. Hauritz has provided more then expected - but his no major threat to any batting team.

Lots of people are no doubt frustated with our performance, in that sense often the selectors/captain/coach come in for some heat.

But lets be honest, we are playing poorly.

i can handle us playing poorly, but when we persist with a batsan who has averages less than 20 for over 12 months and drop promising batmsan to make way for an allrounder who is only needed because of the form slump of a senior bowler, and then you make that allrounder open the batting with no test experience, it makes my blood boil, ok it worked out ok but what if it didnt ?? who are these selectors acountable to ? we need new selectors.

 

[gbatman]

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The 2005 ashes was lost over selection blunders. - Warne was taking loads of wickets and we wouldn't play McGill. Hussey was in great form and we wouldn't play him. We played Gillespie, Katich, Martyn even though they had underperformed over previous series. We made changes after the series when it was already lost.


Last tour of India was lost over selection blunders. - Not playing a spin specialist in india! Not playing Krejza or Hauritz until it was too late and the series was lost. Playing long out of form/not good enough/sick/injured Lee, Hayden, White, Hussey. Hughes, Siddle, Hauritz, Hilfenhaus all on the sidelines.

The Australian tour by south Africa was lost over selection blunders. Carrying Hayden, Hussey, Lee. Only brought in Siddle, Bollinger, Hauritz when the series was lost.

We are losing the ashes over selection blunders. - Playing Hussey and Ponting who are past it. Playing a bowler who can't get the seam up, can't get wickets and leaks too many runs instead of dropping him for the next best (currently best) left armer (Bollinger) who is proven at state level and very good but he isn't even over there!
Playing a bowler in a test who can't get the seam up is like using a porn star who can't get something else up. Pointless.

Even our touring squad selections aren't any good! Our selectors are an absolute joke, they have become stale and need to be cleaned out.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Righto, so why don't you two guys name the team you'd want to see playing in this 3rd test so we can at least see where you stand?

 

[gbatman]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

3rd test:

1 Katich
2 Hughes
3 Ponting
4 Clarke
5 Hussey
6 Watson
7 Haddin
8 Hauritz
9 Siddle
10 Bollinger
11 Hilfenhaus

Ponting and Hussey are in danger of being washed up. Players like Marsh and Ferguson should be looked at for replacing them. North isn't a bad batsman but he's just not making runs.

 

[SHANEBOURNEorWARNE]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

3rd test:

1 Katich
2 Hughes
3 Ponting
4 Clarke
5 Hussey
6 Watson
7 Haddin
8 Hauritz
9 Siddle
10 Bollinger
11 Hilfenhaus

Ponting and Hussey are in danger of being washed up. Players like Marsh and Ferguson should be looked at for replacing them. North isn't a bad batsman but he's just not making runs.

1. Katich
2. Hughes
3. Clarke
4. Hodge
5. Ponting (c)
6. North
7. Haddin
8. Siddle
9. Nannes
10. McGain
11. Hilfenhaus

12. Johnson
13. Krezja
14.Watson
15. Bolinger
16. Hussey
17. McDonald

 

[Sober Symonds]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

i can handle us playing poorly, but when we persist with a batsan who has averages less than 20 for over 12 months and drop promising batmsan to make way for an allrounder who is only needed because of the form slump of a senior bowler, and then you make that allrounder open the batting with no test experience, it makes my blood boil, ok it worked out ok but what if it didnt ?? who are these selectors acountable to ? we need new selectors.

Well said. The point is, we are tolerating poor form. Accepting mediocrity. It didn't happen when we were good. Ask Slater, Blewett, Elliott, Kaspro ... even Warne. Even legendary players would be pushed into retirement with little regard for sentiment.

It started at the end of our glory days when Hayden was allowed to linger for a couple of years without showing anything like the form needed to earn that spot. It is now at the stage where anyone who has had a decent year or two suddenly has an impregnable hold on their place in the side.

So smug are the selectors about it all, they don't even bother to send back-ups on a tour for these blokes.

3rd test:

1 Katich
2 Hughes
3 Ponting
4 Clarke
5 Hussey
6 Watson
7 Haddin
8 Hauritz
9 Siddle
10 Bollinger
11 Hilfenhaus

Ponting and Hussey are in danger of being washed up. Players like Marsh and Ferguson should be looked at for replacing them. North isn't a bad batsman but he's just not making runs.

C'mon GB, is that all you've got? You say we're dragging the chain, then you choose to leave Johnson & Hussey in there anyway!?! I'm not convinced by North either, but he is averaging 65 so far this series ...

1. Katich
2. Hughes
3. Clarke
4. Hodge
5. Ponting (c)
6. North
7. Haddin
8. Siddle
9. Nannes
10. McGain
11. Hilfenhaus

12. Johnson
13. Krezja
14.Watson
15. Bolinger
16. Hussey
17. McDonald

Would I be right in assuming No.16 is David?!? Even for a Victorian, that team is probably too much to expect (impressive though it is)!


Lions, you say we're not up to it, and I agree we are going to have to accept losses now we've come back to the field. But you go on to say England aren't that good, and they're not. That's what makes us annoyed.

We had a chance to re-assert out authority, and chose a squad full of pacemen we can't use, leaving full faith in a batting line-up which had lingering question marks over it. Whose area of responsibility is that?

Yes, we are playing poorly. The fact that nothing is being done about it - or was done to prepare for it - is the fault of Hilditch. It happens in all sports: if you're not performing to the level you should be, then those in charge have to cop the brunt of criticism. You can't hide from that.

 

[gbatman]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

we can't even select a good squad.

 

[distributer of pain]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

lol, the selecting of players and squads should be an Australian idol like set up, just text huss to 020304485, or to select mitch text 372356215378, and so on. lol, we could even make them sing a song or do a dance to impress us.

 

[brett]

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I agree about the selectors must go, i think of the top of my head they took over 16 players mostly bowling back ups. Why not take over 20 so you have batting back ups i heard a selector say 16 is a good number anymore it gets hard to manage well crikey sought your crap out and manage it.

My side

Hughes
Katich - amazing he was most hated player in the line up and now 1st picked
Ponting - has not been that bad , plus points in the bank
Hodge
Clarke
Watson
Haddin
Johnson - been our best for 12 months has 2 bad games and sack him. (joke)
Hauritz
Clark - was super for us for a long period then got injured.
Lee - to dangerous when he is on.

Hilfy - ver close to taking Lee's spot very good spot bowler.

 

[cold case]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

Jacques
Hughes
Katich
Ponting
Clarke
Ferguson
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Clark
Hilfenhaus

Siddle/North

Hussey I'm afraid is finished. Looks like a player under pressure. Jacques warrants another go, as does Hughes. Ferguson looks a beauty. Johnson bowling bad is still more threatening than Siddle at the moment. He can bat also. Clark has to be given another chance because of his constant line and length pressure.
The selectors appear to see things we cant. They seem to be hesitant in explaining their selections and are now using Merv Hughes as their own spin doctor. It is frustrating to listen to an imbecile trying answer question that he is clearly not allowed to elaborate on. In my opinion they must go.

 

[el-capitano]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

FFS, everytime Australia has a series in which they struggle we can never admit that perhaps the other side has our measure. It's always the selectors fault, or it's Pontings's fault, or its the umpires. Why not admit that perhaps we are just not that good?

At the moment we are an ordinary team, we have one all-time great in Ponting - who we almost exclusively rely on to get a big score. He realistically probably won't be there much longer, especially if we lose the Ashes. In that sense if we did lose he'd probably stay around long enough for another crack at regaining them, which would be more or less a year from now and then he'd look at retiring. Much like Warne and McGrath did after 2005, (and Langer).

So in test cricket we probably have his services for at most another year or so? If he struggles for the rest of the series and we end up losing 3-0 or 4-0 then I doubt he'd even remain in the team to be honest.

Our bowling is currently lacklustre, it's a workmanlike unit but we need bowlers in form to be a threat. At the moment that looks unlikely.

All is not lost by any means in this series, but before this series I didn't think England were all that good of a team. I still don't think they are that good, i feel apart from Flintoff they have an ordinary bowling lineup. I think there batting is also brittle.

In some sense that makes our current struggles frustating, but you can't blame the selectors for Johnson's struggles. Or Hussey's shocking decision making.
Siddle is young and inexperienced. As is Hilfenhaus. Hauritz has provided more then expected - but his no major threat to any batting team.

Lots of people are no doubt frustated with our performance, in that sense often the selectors/captain/coach come in for some heat.

But lets be honest, we are playing poorly.

Yes, we are playing poorly, but we can't replace any of the batsmen, because we didn't bring any. That one is down to the selectors.

Some of our bowlers are bowling badly, we have a fit replacement in Clark on tour, but yet the selector's don't select him.

Picking Lee was a gamble that didn't pay off. He's sat out almost the entire series- whereas a swing bowler like Bollinger or Bracken even might have made a difference and provided a legitimate option to choose from.

Ah well, we havent lost it yet, and hopefully, the selectors have 2 games left to get it right!

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Well on yesterday's evidence the batting is fine. Watson at least deserves to be regarded as a specialist batsmen, it was not long ago that he was averaging 50 at FC cricket for Queensland batting at number 3 on the Gabba strip. Everyone knows that at state level the Gabba always has a bit of green grass on it and a bit in it for the bowlers.

So that is no mean feat.

The bowling, as always of late, is a concern. Im not sure whether any changes will be made, we'll have to wait and see, there were some better signs there. If there had been another day in the match who knows what could have happened, we could have pushed onto a 350 run lead and a chance at winning the game.

Without swing England really look like a very ordinary team. Which must concern them going forward, outside of England the ball doesn't swing much at all especially with the Kookaburra ball.

 

[Boris]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

i did vote yes on the poll, but the selectors are really the fall guys for everything that goes wrong. i dont mind the team as it is now, although there are a few changes i would like to make, but i can see their intentions clearly and i know what they are trying to do. its all good and well wanting to bring in players from FC that are going well, but they cant match up to experience at top level. mcdonald plays well at FC level but it took him 3 tests to even look any good and stop getting hit in the head while batting, but he managed to get there. a lot of them dont. when you are playing at domestic level there is one normally one good inernational quality bowler you are facing on the other side, while everyone else is at your level. you can score well against the other players and sit on the good ones while they tie you down. therefore you get out to the not as good ones. then when your bowling there are only a couple of batsman that are of the aforementioned higher quality. you get carted by them (for eg like hodge) while getting other peoples wickets a lot cheaper. you cant just go by records at domestic level because there are players from all performance levels. some players should only be playing at domestic level because they go well against other domestic players but stall when facing an international one. once you get to international level you notice that every player you bowl to or face up to is of that higher level. there is no one bowler to sit on and score off the others. there are no batsman you can get out cheaper. selectors look not only at the records of players, but the players in which they get those records off. which is sometimes why there are shock decisions, like watsons. he is able to step up to the higher level. hughes had trouble. hughes can absolutely blast away a domestic side but put him up against 5 brilliant bowlers instead of just 1 good one and 4 alright ones and he has trouble. some players are destined for FC only. they should be happy with that and strive for more. thats why mcdonald is in the side because he had the ability to adjust and the mental strength to notice its not easy. its all good and well putting names on paper but you really have to analyse what your doing. could nannes bowl at test level. why play him when you have 7 other bowlers that have played at the highest level before and we know that even if they dont succeed, they wont fail either. experience and knowing that the player isnt going to be blasted is priceless. selectors have to consider it. international cricket is no playground and it is a HUGE step up from domestic. just give the selectors a break and work with the players they give us. why are they failing? why are they succeding? forget about whether they should be there or not and let them do their job.

EDIT: to prove my point with an example siddle wouldnt have been selected if it wasnt for this. his stats arent very good at all. it was how he got those stats that counted and thats why he is playing for australia.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Mate, have you ever heard of paragraphs??

 

[Boris]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

Mate, have you ever heard of paragraphs??

thats what happens when im ranting and rambling... i forget... sorry.

 

[Kram81]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

thats what happens when im ranting and rambling... i forget... sorry.

I gave up about halfway through, I was getting a headache lol.

 

[Boris]

Re: sack the Australian selectors, vote

I gave up about halfway through, I was getting a headache lol.

you must be glad to know that i write 10 000 word essays...

except maybe with a little better punctuation and sentence structure.