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Grier
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Trump's illegal war on Iran is not going his way. Neither Congress, the UN nor the US's jaded allies were pre warned with Trump doing it his way, like a bull in a China shop.
Now Trump's having another tantrum having found a canny, well armed and tough foe and demanding other countries step in to help, especially warships defending Oil tankers from drone attacks. Also Russia is sending Intel to Iran and more of their own drones based on an Iranian design.
No worries, the Ukrainians are sending drones to the US Amanda in the Persian Gulf.
To celebrate Saint Patrick's day on Wednesday the Yanks are going to colour all their obliterating explosions Green.
... joking...
This dumb Trump conflict could draw in more actors. Bad actors. Buggered if I'd like to see Australia getting drawn into another global war without sanctioned UN peace keepers. . . .
I applaud PM Kier Starmer UK PM not allowing staging airfields except for non combatant air craft. I think the Europeans, Canada, the UN and other Nations would be reluctant to help the US in this stupid war of Trump's own making. He made his bed and now he can lie in it.
He's good at lying.
He's even letting Russia export their Oil to ease the global shortage he caused all by himself, only!. How ironic. A reporter said with the extra income Russia could build more drones to attack Ukraine.
No US-Iran conflict cogent agenda, ..
When will the war end?
' when I feel it in my bones' retorted a pathological liar.
No end game! Just Infantile inflammatory rhetoric and loud bombastic diplomacy.
The Sexyterry of War peat hogsbreath is like an angry cartoonist goblin revelling in killing people.
"Mr Trump, do you want to start WORLD WAR III ?"
US bombs and missiles are killing many innocent Iranians who Trump got fired up before to revolt and many died because of that, thousands, but TACO, and
many Iranian innocent lives were lost because of Trump's fog horn words and constant vacillations. Poor Iranians naively took Trump on his word.Big mistake!
Now he wants US's old guard allies, who he's treated like dirt, to come to his aid. No way you blithering buffoon, this shitmess is all on you. You make your bed, you lie in it!
Trump's good at lying.
Australia has been often dragged into Wars standing firm with the US, to our detriment like Vietnam, Iraq with lies about WMD's, Afghanistan, ... what effing WMD's, a little possibly with Iran's refinements but Trump tore up the UN inspections in 2018. Now his stupidity is coming back to bite him and he's squawking. It's time he learnt a lesson that he can't always get away his bullying ways. I hope the US mid terms give back Sanity to the US.
How's this though, China sent a polite message to Iran to allow an oil tanker bound for China passage through the Hormuz Strait. Iran gave safe passage to the China bound oil tanker. That says a lot imo. Friends with benefits.
Are the sides lining up in this strident Chinese rare year of the Fire Horse bringing galloping change? Every sixty years I think. 12 signs × 5 variations for each.
Now Trump's having another tantrum having found a canny, well armed and tough foe and demanding other countries step in to help, especially warships defending Oil tankers from drone attacks. Also Russia is sending Intel to Iran and more of their own drones based on an Iranian design.
No worries, the Ukrainians are sending drones to the US Amanda in the Persian Gulf.
To celebrate Saint Patrick's day on Wednesday the Yanks are going to colour all their obliterating explosions Green.
... joking...This dumb Trump conflict could draw in more actors. Bad actors. Buggered if I'd like to see Australia getting drawn into another global war without sanctioned UN peace keepers. . . .
I applaud PM Kier Starmer UK PM not allowing staging airfields except for non combatant air craft. I think the Europeans, Canada, the UN and other Nations would be reluctant to help the US in this stupid war of Trump's own making. He made his bed and now he can lie in it.
He's good at lying.
He's even letting Russia export their Oil to ease the global shortage he caused all by himself, only!. How ironic. A reporter said with the extra income Russia could build more drones to attack Ukraine.
No US-Iran conflict cogent agenda, ..
When will the war end?
' when I feel it in my bones' retorted a pathological liar.
No end game! Just Infantile inflammatory rhetoric and loud bombastic diplomacy.
The Sexyterry of War peat hogsbreath is like an angry cartoonist goblin revelling in killing people.
"Mr Trump, do you want to start WORLD WAR III ?"
US bombs and missiles are killing many innocent Iranians who Trump got fired up before to revolt and many died because of that, thousands, but TACO, and
many Iranian innocent lives were lost because of Trump's fog horn words and constant vacillations. Poor Iranians naively took Trump on his word.Big mistake!
Now he wants US's old guard allies, who he's treated like dirt, to come to his aid. No way you blithering buffoon, this shitmess is all on you. You make your bed, you lie in it!
Trump's good at lying.
Australia has been often dragged into Wars standing firm with the US, to our detriment like Vietnam, Iraq with lies about WMD's, Afghanistan, ... what effing WMD's, a little possibly with Iran's refinements but Trump tore up the UN inspections in 2018. Now his stupidity is coming back to bite him and he's squawking. It's time he learnt a lesson that he can't always get away his bullying ways. I hope the US mid terms give back Sanity to the US.
How's this though, China sent a polite message to Iran to allow an oil tanker bound for China passage through the Hormuz Strait. Iran gave safe passage to the China bound oil tanker. That says a lot imo. Friends with benefits.
Are the sides lining up in this strident Chinese rare year of the Fire Horse bringing galloping change? Every sixty years I think. 12 signs × 5 variations for each.
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Richie
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Trump is totally deluded when it comes to his buddy Putin. Less oil, price rises, Russia benefits and adds much needed funds to its war chest.
A ship is evidently heading to the war zone with amphibious capability and some 2.5K marines on board. So we can expect boots on the ground soon. Only way the US can severely degrade the Revolutionary Guard and get Trump out of his own mess. A large contingent of battle hardened Kurds are also readying to hit the RG, no doubt they will be emboldened having the Americans there too. But feel the Yanks are gonna need many more than 2.5K troops to achieve regime change..
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Grier
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How about 250,000 troops?
I suspect the marines will take control of Kharg Island already destroying Military installations there but left the massive refining and stores of oil. Black gold.
I see more and more nations coy about helping Trump with his illegal war against Iran.
He's threatened Nato members if they don't help him. That's rich coming from Trump given his treatment of Nato, heavy tariffs , ...even threatening to seize Greeland, a territory of Denmark.
Richie
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Yep that will bring down this deplorable regime. How utterly abhorrent are these Zionists with their obvious bullying tactics as they know Lebanon's Hezbollah is an easy target and that the Leb govt wont help them. Latest I am hearing is the Jews are massing 100K troops on their border. Those soldiers and their weapons are needed to help bring down the Iranian regime not what remains of the remnants of a brave but foolish band of guerillars. We all know the Zionists end game tho, to destroy Lebanon and occupy it as part of their long planned and desired Greater Israel. They are so detestable.
Grier
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Actually, if 250, 000 US troops were to go into Iran, on the ground, it could be another long long war like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, ... with many lives lost , innocent lives too ... but with a civil uprising it could work??
The Persians are not Arabs. They're an educated, civilised, technically adept, intelligen with a rotten core.
All 93 million of them. That's quite big globally.
No wonder many nations don't want to be drawn into a wider conflict leaving Trump to rant and rave as he's pushing the USA further and further into an Empire collapse. The huge economic pain he dumbly caused with his illegal tariffs has soured his image. Inflation
Jarrod Diamond's book "Collapse of Empires" and others recant common steps the USA is ticking off one by one towards Empire Collapse... keep going Donald and find others to blame. All the world knows Trump is the mega wrecker, and wish him and his greedy Tump Cartel a just and stern reckoning.
Once staunch US allies are now turning their backs on Trumpland's great follies. Even Iranians are mocking Trump. Time he declared conditional victory and scurried away.
The Persians are not Arabs. They're an educated, civilised, technically adept, intelligen with a rotten core.
All 93 million of them. That's quite big globally.
No wonder many nations don't want to be drawn into a wider conflict leaving Trump to rant and rave as he's pushing the USA further and further into an Empire collapse. The huge economic pain he dumbly caused with his illegal tariffs has soured his image. Inflation
Jarrod Diamond's book "Collapse of Empires" and others recant common steps the USA is ticking off one by one towards Empire Collapse... keep going Donald and find others to blame. All the world knows Trump is the mega wrecker, and wish him and his greedy Tump Cartel a just and stern reckoning.
Once staunch US allies are now turning their backs on Trumpland's great follies. Even Iranians are mocking Trump. Time he declared conditional victory and scurried away.
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Richie
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Yeh. First the Revolutionary Guards and its dreaded Hasij militia needs to be massively degraded so ordinary Iranians will feel safe to go into the streets. Surely Yank/Zionist boots on the ground is the only way for that to happen. I dont see this as a protracted war, say another Vietnam, once that happens. As with a depleted RG and the eradication of their leaders, surely there is not substantial stability left in the Regime and it will tumble like a pack of cards.
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Richie
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Iran war: Doubts creep in for Iranians who had supported war
Teachers, engineers and shopkeepers tell the BBC they fear Iran falling into chaos.
www.bbc.com
This is becoming a major problem for good Iranians and a fly in the ointment for internal activated regime change.
Grier
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I do fear for the many many Iranian citizens whose
Iives would be lost if again they take to the streets in protest of their vile Theocratic regimen.
Their basic infrastructures have been attacked punishing more the innocents.
It'll be interesting to see which ways Trump'll lean,or jump.
I bet Russia/ Putin has some serious dirt on Trump, just a guess.
I saw premium diesel selling close to $3/L.
100L would cost $300 L. .,,
Richie
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His puppeteers Netanyahu and Putin will decide that.
I feel for the 80% of good Iranians that will have to suffer in silence until the regime is dismantled. Then again the genocidal Zionists have made it clear for past 40 years that they want regime change in Iran, with many critics saying the reason is to make a subservient Iran a central part of the Zionists obsession for a Greater Israel. So those oppressed 80% of peace loving Iranians could well be swapping one repressive regime for another.
Grier
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Trump never foresaw the Iraian tactics this illegal WAR of his Choice would give him a good slapped face. Ignoring good advice and even declining superior drones from Ukraine, and demanding help from global nations to protect oil tankers in the Hormuz strait. Then threats and boasts and ...
Some Nations have said they'll help in a manner of their choosing. Soonish I think.
Despite being called cowards by Trump we'd had no communication before or after the War started. We Aussies are branded by Iran just like a combatant force for our little defence contingent including our brilliant Wedgetail Surveillance jet planes.
I just heard we'll be sending another Wedgetail surveillance plane to the "Iran-Epstein War" in the muddling Middle East.
Playing devil's advocate here but, maybe we should send some of our fighter jets to safe guard our 2 Wedgetails? May as well since being tagged as an enemy to Iran anyway.
And so it goes. War begets more war sucking in other actors.
Meanwhile Chinese and Iranian oil tankers sail safely thru the straits, as do Russian oil tankers with Trumps blessing. Actually to provide the world with more oil ... ? mates rates
I think India is talking with Iran too.
Richie
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A meeting between US President Donald Trump and Japan's Prime Minister Sanae Takaichi has taken an awkward turn after the United States president joked about the Pearl Harbor World War II attack in response to questions about the war in Iran.
Have you guys seen the video. Check out the expression by the Japanese PM. This was no joke.
Trump really is a piece of work.
Have you guys seen the video. Check out the expression by the Japanese PM. This was no joke.
Trump really is a piece of work.
looker-on
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If that rotten core is arrogance, I agree. How come that all those Iranians I met were a bit uppish? And they made exactly the point you mention, Terry, that they were Persians, a race of its own.
looker-on
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I saw that. So embarrassing yet not for him.
Richie
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Never had a reply from this guys.
Grier
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Just finished listening to the clip Craig.
Very interesting indeed, especially the reactions of neighbouring Arab Oil states connected to the US.
I didn't really know how Iran's Gulf neighbours felt about the Surprise War Trump dragged them into without consultation. Now I see how they feel having watched the clip, not happy.
Genius Trump didn't foresee what was about to happen nor the awful black spectre of War he's started with all its dire and often unexpected consequences.
Peace Prize hopes thrashed!
Richie
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Imagine if he had led Day D and not Eisenhower. God help the allies.