Wrist Spin Bowling (Part Three)

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someblokecalleddave;396196 said:
He's not turning it much either - but that might be down to the nature of the wicket - makes me feel a whole lot better about my bowling!

when you watched Warne in a test match though he didnt have supernatural abilities to turn the ball 5 feet every delivery. 11 out of 12 leg breaks would be average, probably intentionally. then the giant turner would pop up every few overs (and not always come off). he bowled to plans as well, so he would bowl the deliveries that were most likely to take a wicket. i think we can get too hung up on Warnes highlight reels, and forget that in between them there was some ordinary bowling as well, and that his stock delivery was moderate turn, with moderate drift/dip. the ball of the century didnt exactly turn a mile, the drift was what did Mike Gatting.

also, in T20 im not sure that you can get away with the giant turners. wides are called very easily. and not just that, if it doesnt turn or the batsman reads it then its easy boundaries all day long. controlled line and length is crucial, and with Warnes accuracy thats very easy. but unlike every other spinner in the competition, who just take spin off the ball to achieve that, and rely on stupid variations. Warne has the control and ability to bowl line and length, and still get the ball to do magical things.

his 4th wicket delivery is my stock ball, if i could land that consistently 80% of the time then i should bag wickets all day long this season. my only problem is that my added height means that delivery almost always clears the stumps. more often than not it gets above waist height on the batsman!! il have to take overspin off the ball to clean bowl people, or rely on dusty wickets to take bounce off.
 
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The Terry Jenner Spin clinic is off. I've just had an email from Anne (His wife) saying that he's had a heart attack and wont be coming over. Let's hope he's okay?
 
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someblokecalleddave;396370 said:
The Terry Jenner Spin clinic is off. I've just had an email from Anne (His wife) saying that he's had a heart attack and wont be coming over. Let's hope he's okay?

oh no, poor old TJ. really hope he pulls through and can carry on coaching. His videos on cloverdale and the BBC were probably the most important things i ever watched wth regard to building the basics and learning the tricks. must have watched them a hundred times. he's an absolute legend and cricket would be all the poorer without him, who else in the world is running leg spin clinics and training young leggies?
 
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i was just thinking today whilst driving home from work that i should really ask Dave whether he was bothering to attend the Jenner clinic, as i wsa still considering it. pretty shocking news that hes had a heart attack!! lets hope he makes a quick recovery and is back to his cricket coaching shortly.
 
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we had the first outdoor nets of the season for my club last night. i got there earlier than most other people so id been bowling for about 20-30 mins before any batsmen got padded up. gave me a bit of time to settle in, but instead of that i was experimenting with my action and ended up bowling crap all night lol.

2 things of note though:

1. i think im overly harsh on myself. i literally get furious at every single delivery that isnt perfection. its completely unrealistic for any club cricketer to bowl 100% perfect deliveries (and by perfect i dont just mean good line and length, were talking absolute perfection, ball of the century standard) all of the time. im taking things way too seriously, and if i was to just relax i reckon it might yield improvements. on the other hand i constantly strive for the perfect delivery, which may prove beneficial to long term development, but its not helpful in a match situation.

2. i bowled very ordinarily until the last 2 batsmen came in. first up was a right hander and i caused him lots of problems. mostly edges. then a left hander came in and i was in the mood to bowl at a leftie anyway. i mostly had him controlled, then i got one to come back in from outside off and clip the top of off stump. then the very next delivery i put it even wider outside and got it to come back in and take his outside edge to slip. the hatrick ball was a drag down lol.

hes one of the more prominent players, i think he organises lots of stuff, and he also works behind the bar at the club. he plays 1st XI as well i think. he spoke to me after practice and said that my bowling is pretty good, "100 times better than when you first showed up last year" were his words, and that i turn it loads, and im difficult to play. he also said that most balls are well pitched up and a nightmare to play, and even when i drop it short it still does enough and has enough pace to be difficult. basically saying that my inconsistency actually results in such broad variation that it makes me harder to play than bowling perfectly all the time lol. i was also using an old worn ball, and then swapped to a brand new one. and he reckoned i was much better with the new one, maybe because it was faster off the pitch?

i reckon i may well get some 2nd XI league games right from the outset, especially if they are short of players at all. if not then il almost certainly get 3rd XI matches. so its looking more positive for the season. plus im better in match situations anyway because batsmen are scared, dont know my bowling, and im not constricted in the nets with soft matting and mostly perfectly even bounce!

watching the other spinners last night i think im substantially faster than any of them. some of them get the ball to turn quite big, there is a left hand off spinner (technically bowling leg breaks to right handers) who really rips the ball hard. but none of the others are anywhere near as fast as me, they are more loopy, probably around 30mph. im bowling at over 40mph and still getting the same (or more) turn, and i think that will cause a nightmare for the standard of batsman im likely to face this year. the speed makes all the difference.

my action is also a lot more energetic. i really throw myself through the delivery stride, to the point that both my shoulders started aching last night (which can never be good, they recovered overnight though). when messing with my action prior to practice i managed to bowl one delivery with a completely front on action and a smooth follow through, and i reckon its the fastest leg break ive ever bowled, and it still turned well! i couldnt repeat it though. front on is the way forwards for me, the sooner i remove all aspects of side-on from my action the better i think.
 
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Just on the point about getting angry with yourself, I've come away from 3 seperate sessions today maybe 4 (I've lost count) and not one of them was I happy with. But then coming away from this last one just a few minutes ago I had to remind myself that when you watch international bowlers they only turn the ball a bit and the commentators are going mental at how much turn they've just produced. If you think in terms of how much turn you see most spinners turning the ball and ignore Warnes ball of the century you have to then think to yourself - that actually wasn't that bad.
 
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someblokecalleddave;397167 said:
Just on the point about getting angry with yourself, I've come away from 3 seperate sessions today maybe 4 (I've lost count) and not one of them was I happy with. But then coming away from this last one just a few minutes ago I had to remind myself that when you watch international bowlers they only turn the ball a bit and the commentators are going mental at how much turn they've just produced. If you think in terms of how much turn you see most spinners turning the ball and ignore Warnes ball of the century you have to then think to yourself - that actually wasn't that bad.

a difference between my "anger" now, and where it has been in the past, is that i more easily dismiss it in my head, and it actually acts as motivation at times. it never costs me control, its just frustration and then leads to me analysing why its not working. the only time i get actually angry is when i drag a ball down. which 99.9% of the time is due to a bad grip on the ball. my hands keep drying out all the time and i cant grip older balls unless i absolute drench them with spit to make the surface stickier. and then the ball gets stuck on my fingers instead. im going to get some hand moisturiser and see if that helps, my work tends to dry my hands out, and lately ive been the busiest ive been since i took up cricket, so ive not had to overcome this problem in the past.

with regards the pros - those thoughts just dont even register at the time. call it arrogance, but in my own mind i have the potential to be the best leg spinner that has ever lived. clearly its not likely, but i dont take consolation from the fact that professional spinners dont turn the ball much, if at all. i think in terms of i should be better than they are, because aside from Warne and MacGill ive never seen a leg spinner in my lifetime that i think is even remotely close to "international standard". but then that may just be because Warne set the benchmark insanely high. e.g. Danish Kaneria, arguably the best current leg spinner - id back myself to outbowl him head to head. dillusional, maybe. but thats how my brain works when im bowling. when i think about it later (e.g. now) i take a reality check. but i still maintain that bowling to international batsmen with proper techniques id be a million times more effective than i am to club batsmen. it sounds retarded, but sometimes they just lack the technique to even lose their wicket.
 
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I reckon you'd do Kanerai, what I've read about him he's an arrogant **** and what I've seen of him albeit just you tube stuff he doesn't look that clever and yeah maybe we are being dillusional? I bowled against an apprentice Essex batsman last summer and did okay against him. I've yet to see another Leg-Spinner on any of the opposing teams that I've played against that I've been impressed by other than the Top-Spinner old bloke who bowled 10 maidens a couple years ago.
 
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good luck to everybody playing this weekend at the start for the season. I'm starting tomorrow playing for the league 1st 11 which is having a bit of an overhaul after last season and thy've dropped a lot of the older guys.

My bowling is coming out alright at the moment though i'm accurate most of the time the results are tending to be a bit inconsistent with how well the ball comes out. Going to have a 15-30 mins before heading off for the game tomorrow as its away. I'm going to be playing on the artificial track that i bowled an over on last year (against a different team though) and got head high bounce on a couple of balls so i'm happy i am probablly going to bowl quite a lot of backspin. With our league a bowler can bowl a maximum of 15 overs and we are only taking 5 bowlers and 1 is a part timer so i could get quite a bowl tomorrow which would be nice. Hopefully may take a few wickets and start the season with a bang maybe will score a few runs too miracles happen :p .

Lets show these batsmen that it isn't all easy runs and send them back quick :) .
 
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gundalf7;397182 said:
good luck to everybody playing this weekend at the start for the season. I'm starting tomorrow playing for the league 1st 11 which is having a bit of an overhaul after last season and thy've dropped a lot of the older guys.

My bowling is coming out alright at the moment though i'm accurate most of the time the results are tending to be a bit inconsistent with how well the ball comes out. Going to have a 15-30 mins before heading off for the game tomorrow as its away. I'm going to be playing on the artificial track that i bowled an over on last year (against a different team though) and got head high bounce on a couple of balls so i'm happy i am probablly going to bowl quite a lot of backspin. With our league a bowler can bowl a maximum of 15 overs and we are only taking 5 bowlers and 1 is a part timer so i could get quite a bowl tomorrow which would be nice. Hopefully may take a few wickets and start the season with a bang maybe will score a few runs too miracles happen :p .

Lets show these batsmen that it isn't all easy runs and send them back quick :) .

15 overs! That's a dream start to the season if you get to bowl 15. I'd have you on for 5 at the start into the wind with a seam bowler at the other end. 5 in the middle to stop their middle order or if there's an opener still there cause him some problems and then 5 at the end to clean up the tail. Let's hope you get a fivefer for about 10 or 15 runs! Let us know how you get on - bung it on your blog - what's the address/link for your blog?
 
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yeah would be nice if i get 15, somehow doubt it though will depend on how the first few balls, hoping i can just start with a nice leggie turning away.

Playing sunday as well so it maybe sunday or monday before i do a proper blog. Playing a friendly against my uni 2nd team on sunday for my club in a friendly i've organised so it could be quite interesting to see if i get a bit of stick :p .
 
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gundalf7;397185 said:
yeah would be nice if i get 15, somehow doubt it though will depend on how the first few balls, hoping i can just start with a nice leggie turning away.

Playing sunday as well so it maybe sunday or monday before i do a proper blog. Playing a friendly against my uni 2nd team on sunday for my club in a friendly i've organised so it could be quite interesting to see if i get a bit of stick :p .

No doubt you will! I play against a bunch of blokes who I used to hang about with back in the 1980's on the odd ocassion and they're all up for seeing me screw up - trying to hit me for 6 and bowl me out first ball and plenty of sledging.
 
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long game today bowled 15 overs on the trot came on for the 10th over after a shocking start for us 70 odd for none had a shocking start for the first 3 overs but after that bowled great only ended up with the one wicket partly due to shots just missing fielders after about my 6th over they shut up shop and just put away my few bad balls last 6 overs only went for 14 with one a wicket maiden a nice catch to midwicket, finished with 1-58 from 15 which wasn't bad considering anything past the in fielders went for 4.
 
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gundalf7;397374 said:
long game today bowled 15 overs on the trot came on for the 10th over after a shocking start for us 70 odd for none had a shocking start for the first 3 overs but after that bowled great only ended up with the one wicket partly due to shots just missing fielders after about my 6th over they shut up shop and just put away my few bad balls last 6 overs only went for 14 with one a wicket maiden a nice catch to midwicket, finished with 1-58 from 15 which wasn't bad considering anything past the in fielders went for 4.

less than 4 an over, I'd be happy with that. What did you reckon to bowling 15 overs then?
 
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tiring firstly hould have drunk more before the game was dehydrated completely by the drinks break, lol. Was good though was turning the ball miles once i got the rhythm right may have to have a think about what to bowl when the batsmen refuse to attack the bowling, at a point about 12 overs into the spell i just started tossing the ball higher and slower with more loop and i still got it just tapped down the pitch back to me or it spun past the bat. Literally 40 out of the 90 balls today must have been leggies that spun past the edge so its a bit frustrating.
they scored 224 off of 45 in the end and declared so 58 out of 1/3rd of the overs wasn't bad.

unfortunaty all the bad balls i bowled were either drag down for wrong'uns or full tosses from messed up quicker balls, didn't bowl a bad stock ball after the 3rd over.
 
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gundalf7;397374 said:
long game today bowled 15 overs on the trot came on for the 10th over after a shocking start for us 70 odd for none had a shocking start for the first 3 overs but after that bowled great only ended up with the one wicket partly due to shots just missing fielders after about my 6th over they shut up shop and just put away my few bad balls last 6 overs only went for 14 with one a wicket maiden a nice catch to midwicket, finished with 1-58 from 15 which wasn't bad considering anything past the in fielders went for 4.

good one gundalf, you got a long spell and your first scalp of the season. You're away and running now mate.
 
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gundalf7;397377 said:
didn't bowl a bad stock ball after the 3rd over.

Good thing you have the stock legbreak to fall back on. It will never let you down.

We had a long session today outside to get my young blokes stock ball line over on leg or outside leg to get ready for the indoor comp. He has to pitch there indoors because the ball spins so big on the indoor surface if you bowl off stump it can easily turn into a wide.

YouTube - leg break.wmv
 
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macca;397405 said:
Good thing you have the stock legbreak to fall back on. It will never let you down.

We had a long session today outside to get my young blokes stock ball line over on leg or outside leg to get ready for the indoor comp. He has to pitch there indoors because the ball spins so big on the indoor surface if you bowl off stump it can easily turn into a wide.

YouTube - leg break.wmv

That little video clip is re-assuring to see in that you (Who I consider to be the most knowledgable amongst us on here) are posting that up as an example of a leg-break on the leg stump from outside of Leg. I think too much we're looking to bowl massive turning ball of the century type balls and yet a ball like this will do the job in many situations. I've got my first match in a couple of hours and I'm not getting the ball to turn big at all, but I'm not too fussed as I believe that a stock leg-break like this will see you to some wickets.

Some time later.........

Jesus I've just been involved in what was probably the worst performance any of our teams ever. The highest total against us and the biggest winnng margin ever - fortunately we avoided posting the lowest score ever which apparently happened last year when one of our teams were all bowled out for 29! The opposition scored 369 off 40 overs, with one bloke scoring 220 or thereabouts. In reply we managed 54 all out or something so the winning margin was in excess of 300 runs! I bowled my worst ever spell, I've not even had a look yet and don't if I ever will it was that bad, what I do know is that I wasn't hit for 6 off of every ball in any one over, but there must have been one over in there were 5 of the balls were hit for either 4 or 6 with one ball maybe getting past the bat. It's going to take some work to catch up with the figures I've got now, although there was talk that our score-book wasn't there and that as it was a friendly the game might be forgotten! Let's hope so!
 
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