Wrist Spin Bowling (part Five)

Discussion in 'Spin Bowling' started by Richard the Third, Feb 19, 2011.

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  1. Cleanprophet

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    Landing on the heel of the front foot is also something I had a problem with. As you say, it all ties in with the centre of balance not being in the right place. Most pro legspinners will usually land on the ball of their right foot, without the heel having any weight on it, and then land on the ball of their left foot, again, with all the weight being on the ball of that left foot.

    One thing I did to help with the downward swinging direction of the bowling arm was to have the arm closer to my torso as I brought the arm down. Previously, my arm would be quite a way outside my body. As you say, you generate more energy in the arm if it is closer to the body so it is natural for the arm to then swing back towards the body if it is quite wide - even more so if the centre of balance is a bit off.
     
  2. someblokecalleddave

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    Quiet on here by the looks of it. I've been busy getting my website sorted. It's a lot more difficult than blogging, but I'm slowly getting there. Just posted an account of a game today http://www.wristspinbowling.com/blo...4th-xi-v-orsett-thurrock-6th-xi-27th-aug-2016
    Have a look.
     
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  3. someblokecalleddave

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    How's everyone gone this season? I had a pretty crap season overall...
    • Wasn't fit enough at the start of the season.
    • Injured my knee in the 1st game.
    • Injury then meant I had to scrap working with the faster more dynamic run-up.
    • First bit of good news - SLA mentioned in a post here that it was unlikely that I'd get drift bowling with such a vertical arm. Started to lower my arm during the injury re-hab and lo and behold... Drift.
    • Practice because of the injury was restricted to a Jenner-esque walk-in, but as I recovered, the drift, dip and accuracy got better.
    • Got the Yips. Weird as hell, in practice I was bowling better than I ever have, in games I couldn't land the ball.
    • Captain helped with the Yips - let me bowl as the opener, whole team got behind me and it worked.
    • The lower arm is working a treat - accuracy is exceptionally good in practice, ball is spinning like mad, dipping, drifting and bouncing.
    • Last game bowled really well, just two games left (Friendlies) and then how do I ensure that all this good work is able to come together next spring?
    • Drawing inspiration these days from Majid Huq the worlds slowest bowler, but Scotland's highest wicket taker in ODI's.
     
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  4. SLA

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    I've had the usual cycle. Struggle for a little bit of rhythm early on and feel very stiff in the early season cold, but get into my stride mid-season as the weather gets better and the pitches start to harden up. I feel in absolutely top form right now, I bowled 7 overs, 3 wickets for 4 runs on Saturday (2 of which came off the edge), predictably just as there is one game left of the season. I wish I lived in a county with a proper full length cricket season to the end of September.

    Over all formats, a mixture of 20 over and 40 over games, I've bowled about 100 overs, and taken 30-40 wickets at my usual average of around 15 and economy rate of around 4 an over. I've taken 1 7-fer, 3 4-fers, and a hattrick.

    Batting has been a disaster, barely 700 runs, averaging mid 40s, only 3 fifties and no tons. Constantly scoring 20s and 30s and then getting out in odd ways (including receiving some shocking umpiring decisions).
     
  5. someblokecalleddave

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    Blimey - only in my dreams.
     
  6. boogiespinner

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    I've struggled this season really, but feel I am that much closer to cracking things, and if I can do that I'll be something to reckon with. It's still going wayward but I am really ripping it now. Had a net recently where I stopped practising solo off 18 yards and crashed the group in the next lane. Half the balls went into the roof. But the ones which pitched had the bat in all kinds of trouble. It's encouraging to see a batsman actually flinching because the ball has dropped and kicked. The googly is coming back.

    Struggling with accuracy, not bowling totally roundarm, and getting the wider seam angles.

    practice practice practice.
     
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  7. boogiespinner

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    A weird thing happens to me regularly in the nets. I'm trying to bowl legbreaks with a wide seam angle, i.e. in the region 45-90 degrees.

    This is practice from a short distance, so I'm giving myself all the help I need. I'm giving every ball a huge rip. What happens is this

    1) sometimes it turns big :)
    2) sometimes it turns smaller, generally kicks as if with topspin
    3) sometimes it skids through and possibly even straightens?

    I don't understand (3). I am definitely not bowling a googly here, it is behaving like a flipper might. It's weird because I really have little idea what is happening.

    Just wondering if anyone had an idea about this. It's an artificial net, not a huge turning one.
     
  8. SLA

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    Sometimes the ball just doesn't grip, regardless of the surface or how hard you spin in. Its called "natural variation" and every spinner should love it and welcome it, because it makes you impossible to read. Watch Adam Hollioake get bowled by Shane Warne. Big ripping leggie that went straight on into middle stump. Warne knew nothing about it, it was just a regular leggie that didn't turn. Hollioake looked like a total dumbass.

    The straightening thing will probably be the small amount of drift you are getting just before the ball pitches. The ball then goes on at that angle.


    As a batsmen, 2 and 3 would be the hardest balls to face. Big spinning deliveries tend to provide too much width and get pounded mercilessly to the fence over and over again. You NEVER want to spin the ball more than 12 inches or so, you're playing right into the batsman's hands.
     
  9. boogiespinner

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    Thanks SLA I think this explains it.

    I think what I might be doing - pretty sure actually - is bowling flying saucers. i.e. not landing on the seam.

    I used to do those all the time when I first started posting here, in fact I could barely bowl anything else. They'd just go straight on.

    But now I am spinning the ball that much greater, so particularly with that seam angle it's drifting.
     
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  10. Billywhizz

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    Dave! I'm liking the website. The the new bit about pitch maps in the Accuracy Drills section is a great idea. I'll be trying it next session. Keep up the great work.
     
  11. eiglow_

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    Haven't been on this forum in a while but now that the new season has just started, thought I might get into posting here a bit more.

    I'm in U15s now, which is good, because the good bowlers can get more overs (up to 8 in a 35 over game) compared to U13s which made everyone have a go, only 4 overs each max. My 8 overs were on the other end of the right handed wrist spinner, which was fun because it was us who was drying up the run scoring, and when the seamers came back in, runs and wickets came. I didn't get any wickets but I think I bowled about 5 maidens due to the massive turn I was getting and one ball went through the gate and just bounced over the stumps. Another grabbed an edge, however, the keeper dropped it, which is to be expected at this level. I am a left handed wrist spinner and I was bowling over the wicket to right handed batsmen, so I was able to mix up topspinners and leg-breaks very effectively. Occasionally I would dart one in, effectively a fast ball which swings away. The other leggie did get a wicket, bowled, pitching on or outside leg stump and turning to hit off. We won the match overall I think, though it was very close. We had a comfortable lead, but it's amazing what some sloppy fielding can do.

    Edit: also don't know if any of you remember but I shared a video about a year ago of me bowling at the nets, well, my bowling has improved massively since then. I'll have to make another when I get the chance.
     
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  12. someblokecalleddave

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    Cheers Billywhizz, glad to hear you liked the post, keep checking it out and if you've got any ideas for it let me know and I might post them up? Share it with other as well. Actually can you answer this question. If you search 'Wrist spin bowling' in Google in Australia how many pages do you have to search for that post? Here in the UK it's on the 6th page, is it the same wherever you are in the world?
     
  13. boogiespinner

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    Totally remember! You had funky backing music and were spinning from the middle finger? Looking forward to seeing the progress!
     
  14. SLA

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    The great thing about spin bowling, the thing that makes it unique and different from seam bowling, is the tactical and mental element. This is the bit that really fascinates players and gets them hooked. Intelligent spin bowling is like chess on grass.

    Which I think is a good analogy: the fundamental and most interesting part of chess, as in spin bowling, is in learning to out-wit your opponent, predict his next move and set a trap. To practice this, you constantly need to practice this skill.

    Often the posts I read on here sound like people are obsessing too much about the mechanics without thinking about the strategy. If you think successful spin bowlers are successful primarily because of their bowling actions, you've completely missed the point of what spin bowling is all about.

    Beginners' drills like standing start drills and bowling at an empty set of stumps are fine for 12 year olds who are being introduced to the game, and are a useful 5 minute warm-up for adults, but its not a practice that is really going to improve your ability to dismiss batsmen in real games of cricket. Its the equivalent of a chess grand master practicing moving his pieces around on an empty board. You'd think he was an idiot, wouldn't you?

    Think of your basic bowling skills as the equivalent of learning the different moves in chess: the stock ball in the pawn, the topspinner is the bishop, the backspinner is the knight, the quicker ball is the rook and the wrong'un is the queen, or whatever.... Learning how to move the different pieces is only the very beginning - the real skill is in watching what your opponent is doing, identifying a weakness, and then figuring out the combination of moves that will win you the contest.

    How many of you actually practice the REAL skills of spin bowling? How many of you even think about it? Or are you all like the chess player moving a solitary knight around an empty board? 2 to the front, 1 to the side.... 2 to the front, 1 to the side...
     
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  15. Robert Walker

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    I am going to Sri Lanka on a Cricket tour and was wondering if you had any tips for bowling right arm leg spin over there
     
  16. SLA

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    How do you bowl in the UK?

    I would say that the pitches will likely be slower, lower and with more turn. So bowl slightly quicker, slightly fuller, and aim to hit the stumps. Think Kumble rather than Warne.
     
  17. Robert Walker

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    At the moment I see to be bowling too flat and with too much of topspin meaning there's no side spin
     
  18. SLA

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    Quick topspin is probably one of the hardest types of spin to face. You only need 2 inches of turn and you'll get stacks of wickets.
     
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    I hope everyone has been watching and learning from the Indian spinners: Bowl full, bowl quick, bowl at the stumps, and don't worry too much about turning the ball off the pitch.
     
  20. James513

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    I toured sri lanka last year and found that if you bowl quick through the air it should still spin wheres normally that pace for me wouldn't have spun as much back at home. The other thing is that they all play spin very well and that means they all sweep very well to. So if was going there again I would probably think a bit more about how to bowl to a player sweeping me whether is be through variations or lines I bowl or field settings.
     
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