Subbies 2011/12
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FASTFARNEE
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No result from what I hear. When Mt Waverly turned up, Box Hill werent there. Theyd forgot that it was on.
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Who are the knob jockeys????????????
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SE Group 2012 report.
Caulfield are a class above everyone else, as can be seen on the weekend 350 off 45 overs. Oakleigh are the best of the rest. For a smokey couldn't go past Elsternwick, if all their bats fire together they could make 400 but they have a history of collapsing when it matters. Malvern are gone.
Caulfield are a class above everyone else, as can be seen on the weekend 350 off 45 overs. Oakleigh are the best of the rest. For a smokey couldn't go past Elsternwick, if all their bats fire together they could make 400 but they have a history of collapsing when it matters. Malvern are gone.
short & wide
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Yeah, it looks like Caulfied in a canter this season. Although they have been extremely fragile come finals the past 9 years, this looks to be their best ever chance. The big advantage is the 3 imports in Bartlett, Warren and Damiano won't be carrying the same baggage as some of the other stawlwarts. I agree Malvern are "gone" and that in itself would be a relief for Caulfied.
The Oaks have been terrible in the last couple of finals series, but with no expectations this year, may play with a bit more freedom. In the other group, Kew and Melton clash this week and the result will give us SOME indication of the the pecking order.I see Harwood, back from the Big Bash, took 4/11 off his 9 overs and apparently, "terrorised" the early Coburg batting. Plenty Valley "dropped" it's second game in succession, and still have to play Kew, so it looks like Melton & Kew for the big one. Still too early to make a call there.
Only three imports? Would have thought Cross was as pretty good import too. Was opening the batting with Usman Khawaja in Sydney Grade cricket last year. A couple of 150s should bring you some attention!!
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Yeah, You're right, you would reckon 463 runs at 77 is probably worth a mention. And yet they can only pay 2 of them. Perhaps we should run an opinion poll as which 2 are "playing for the love of the club", even though they have never set foot in the joint before. I still maintain getting these "guns" is good for the competition. (except when you "run" into them)
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Why would the points system be any different to the present situation? If teams will cheat on paying more than two players why wouldn't they cheat on the points system. The points system is not some panacea for all the evils of paying players. This has been rife for forty years, the only difference is teams used to pay three or four players now days they are paying eight or nine players!
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I think the main problem is the other thing p-toe said - "the delegates" While the subbies are run by delegates with vested interests in their own clubs then nothing will happen. Who is going to instigate an investigation when they know their own club would be caught? The only thing that would work is to offer an amnesty to any club/s willing to spill the beans and then start a fresh. It would then become obvious to all how bad this situation has become. It would make John Elliot's Carlton or The Melbourne Storm look like amateurs. Only then would it be possible to introduce your points system and be able to enforce it with every club on an even playing field. But clubs would need to vote in an executive or non delegate system first.
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Young Willi Lad can you tell us what happened at Oak Park on the weekend? Or anybody heard?
NorthClubsDontPayPlayers
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The points system is transparent and therefore much more difficult to ‘cheat’ on. If Cross played grade cricket in Sydney (which he did, and you cant hide that) he is worth X points. If Bartlett has played state cricket (which he did, and you cant hide that), he is worth X points. Each club has a total to adhere to. Each other club can view your points and you have to lodge them before the start of play each week with the umpire. Quite easier to prove a club is ‘cheating’. Not perfect, but much better than the 2 paid player rule.
Super Saint
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Only very initial talks, was still a long way to go before scuttled. A good win on Saturday makes things better, especially after being 4/16!
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Apparently opening bowler (not Hutchinson) continually abused umpire. In the end, he'd had enough and ended up leaving at tea.
Broady looking to be in a heap of trouble, no guaranteed ground or backing for next year at this point and this sort of behaviour doesn't make anything any easier!
Super Saint
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Under points you can pay as many as you like, as long as you can get under teh points. Fair to say with Caulfield's list, they would be nowhere near the number. Probably missing a few as well.
Subbies needs to show some leadership on the subject. 10 out of the 28 voted for points. With possible reduction in CV dividend, some clubs could be in some bother!
That's not entirely true Super, it was 3 or 4. However, I belive you make a good point about leadership and looking for alternative sustainable and growth strategies rather than just following CV.
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No B&G, I can categorically state it was 10, as I was at the meeting! They require 75% vote, so still a long way from getting close. Whilst the Caulfields and Meltons are having short term success, ultimately it will be detrimental to the comp as the gulf between good and bad teams widens.
Subbies and CV are on a collision course with the dividend issue. This will be a defining moment within our competition.
weapons05/06
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i was playing......we had a talk about it after the game as 1 of the proudest clubs it was left in the changerooms and nothing is to be said from a willy point of view......
let the comp sort it out enough said!!!
Ha, it appears as if one of us can't count then, I was also in the room and swear it was less than a handful. However I do agree with your ascertion that the points system is a must, additionally that I believe clubs should immediately commence to look to a future without support from CV. VTCA clubs seem to have no issue raising funds, if we truly are the next tier in competition's wihtin the state surely we can do the same.
Super Saint
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I would agree with your CV comment, whether we like it or not at some stage the CV tap will be turned off!