Spot on. America and Israel are joined at the waist. If this indiscriminate killing and starving of innocent civilians continues something will give. And it wont be inaction like that toothless tiger UN offers.
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
I spoke with
@POTUS
twice today. First, we had a one-on-one call before his conversation with the head of Russia, and later we spoke together with President Trump and European leaders President @EmmanuelMacron, Prime Minister @GiorgiaMeloni, Federal Chancellor @bundeskanzler, President @alexstubb, and President of the European Commission @vonderleyen.
This is a defining moment. The world can now see whether its leaders are truly capable of securing a ceasefire and achieving real, lasting peace.At the beginning of our bilateral conversation, I reaffirmed to President Trump that Ukraine is ready for a full and unconditional ceasefire, as has spoken about, particularly the United States.
It is important not to dilute this proposal. If the Russians are not ready to stop the killings, there must be stronger sanctions. Pressure on Russia will push it toward real peace – this is obvious to everyone around the world.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
I spoke with
@POTUS
twice today. First, we had a one-on-one call before his conversation with the head of Russia, and later we spoke together with President Trump and European leaders President @EmmanuelMacron, Prime Minister @GiorgiaMeloni, Federal Chancellor @bundeskanzler, President @alexstubb, and President of the European Commission @vonderleyen.
This is a defining moment. The world can now see whether its leaders are truly capable of securing a ceasefire and achieving real, lasting peace.At the beginning of our bilateral conversation, I reaffirmed to President Trump that Ukraine is ready for a full and unconditional ceasefire, as has spoken about, particularly the United States.
It is important not to dilute this proposal. If the Russians are not ready to stop the killings, there must be stronger sanctions. Pressure on Russia will push it toward real peace – this is obvious to everyone around the world.
Grier
Well-Known Member
Hi Craig,
What about the Libs and Nats having a spat ??
There were 3 main issues of discord and even Howard said they should re-connect being much stronger together than apart. I agree. Ley says she has an open door and Littleproud and her should talk, but, and a big but, the Libs have been busy forming their shadow cabinet with a lack of qualified candidates to fill those roles. Hmm
. Maybe they just need time apart for a while. 
Whatever. They'll probably vote in accord anyway which is fluid democracy in motion. I like that. I like our independants too.
What about the Libs and Nats having a spat ??
There were 3 main issues of discord and even Howard said they should re-connect being much stronger together than apart. I agree. Ley says she has an open door and Littleproud and her should talk, but, and a big but, the Libs have been busy forming their shadow cabinet with a lack of qualified candidates to fill those roles. Hmm
. Maybe they just need time apart for a while. Whatever. They'll probably vote in accord anyway which is fluid democracy in motion. I like that. I like our independants too.
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More than a spat. They have split Terry. Gotta say it does not surprise me as the Nats are the poor cousins of the Coalition, were rarely given a mention during their election campaign. Actually I dont mind to be honest if it gives Barnaby Joyce a crack at running the nation which he'd never have if tied to the Libs. I like Barnaby, a smart cookie, whereas Littleproud comes across as a bit of a woose to me.
Grier
Well-Known Member
Both ex PM's Howard and Abbot are trying to smooth the rift between the Nats and Libs saying they're stronger ️together. Good point.
Also some Nats are not happy with the split.
I feel there is a good chance they can kiss and make up, sooner the better as Howard said, so the rift doesn't widen.
Howard is a very savvy politician and makes a convincing case for reconciliation.
Maybe Barnaby can throw his hat in the ring!
As for the Greens' obstructive attitudes,
I'm not happy with them despite my own Green leanings.
Ex Greens leader Nay-sayer Adam Bandt lost his seat deservedly!
I often found him shrill, hysterical and off putting.
Also some Nats are not happy with the split.
I feel there is a good chance they can kiss and make up, sooner the better as Howard said, so the rift doesn't widen.
Howard is a very savvy politician and makes a convincing case for reconciliation.
Maybe Barnaby can throw his hat in the ring!
As for the Greens' obstructive attitudes,
I'm not happy with them despite my own Green leanings.
Ex Greens leader Nay-sayer Adam Bandt lost his seat deservedly!
I often found him shrill, hysterical and off putting.
Grier
Well-Known Member
Our Aussie stock market continues to rise towards pre Tariff Thumping levels. Still a bit to go. Our "All Ordinaries" is my favourite fiscal barometer:
The last six months below
clearly showing the Trump Tariffs negative affect:
The graphical pattern below reflects the current daily stepping up pattern:
The last six months below
clearly showing the Trump Tariffs negative affect:
The graphical pattern below reflects the current daily stepping up pattern:
Netanyahu has said the only way to ensure the security of his country was for it to control all of the Gaza Strip by the end of its offensive in the Palestinian territory.
This is the end game worked out between he and Trump when they said Gaza would become a new Mediterranean super resort, jointly run by this pair, no doubt. Neither of these dictators wants a Two State Solution to this decades long festering sore.
The Arab League needs to now show some balls by stepping in to protect their fellow Muslims from being deported elsewhere.
There are also doubts that the promised 'limited' humanitarian aid has been delivered. Arseholes!!
This is the end game worked out between he and Trump when they said Gaza would become a new Mediterranean super resort, jointly run by this pair, no doubt. Neither of these dictators wants a Two State Solution to this decades long festering sore.
The Arab League needs to now show some balls by stepping in to protect their fellow Muslims from being deported elsewhere.
There are also doubts that the promised 'limited' humanitarian aid has been delivered. Arseholes!!
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TVP World, a Polish state-run news outlet, has reported that the Kremlin is actively training Ukrainian orphans to fight under Russian command in occupied regions—an alleged tactic that could signal an escalation in Russia’s use of coercive methods and psychological warfare in Ukraine.
If this is true, what a disgraceful human being Putin is.
If this is true, what a disgraceful human being Putin is.
Grier
Well-Known Member
Netanyahu cares more about his political standing than the tens of thousands he's ordered to be killed, mostly innocents, women and many children dying now from starvation. That's ethnic cleansing and Britain and France have called it out putting punitive trade sanctions on a beligerant Israel.
Journalists and Aid workers are seemingly deliberately murdered too with impunity. Urgent Food and Aid truck convoys are thawated, blocked at every turn with disingenuous excuses. It's a deliberate and planned Genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, being forced out of their ever shrinking homeland being devoured by a rapacious Israel. "Our Land, All our Land" I heard chanted.
Don't the Jews have some empathy after their own WWII genocide?
It beggars belief.
They should have taken my West Australian Kimberlies when offered it in the 1930's. Lots of Diamonds there.
My heart goes out to the shattered Gazians. Not Hamas who lit the fuse to this catastrophe.
It's the massive slaughter, famine and inculcated diseases rought by Israel upon so many innocents that is the genocide. And being driven from their land.
The West Bank on the back burner looks like next to get the heat turned up.
This Evil is well supported by the US's Military Industries, with little fear of them losing valued customers. For reasons of wealth, power and influence the US does have a sweet spot for Israel giving them carte blanche mumbling this and that ... flimsiest nothings ...
It's ironic that many get shamed showing empathy for the Gazian Genocide.
Journalists and Aid workers are seemingly deliberately murdered too with impunity. Urgent Food and Aid truck convoys are thawated, blocked at every turn with disingenuous excuses. It's a deliberate and planned Genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, being forced out of their ever shrinking homeland being devoured by a rapacious Israel. "Our Land, All our Land" I heard chanted.
Don't the Jews have some empathy after their own WWII genocide?
It beggars belief.
They should have taken my West Australian Kimberlies when offered it in the 1930's. Lots of Diamonds there.
My heart goes out to the shattered Gazians. Not Hamas who lit the fuse to this catastrophe.
It's the massive slaughter, famine and inculcated diseases rought by Israel upon so many innocents that is the genocide. And being driven from their land.
The West Bank on the back burner looks like next to get the heat turned up.
This Evil is well supported by the US's Military Industries, with little fear of them losing valued customers. For reasons of wealth, power and influence the US does have a sweet spot for Israel giving them carte blanche mumbling this and that ... flimsiest nothings ...
It's ironic that many get shamed showing empathy for the Gazian Genocide.
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Grier
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Anyway, the real news is that Trump is accepting the A$600,000,000 Luxury Super jet from Qatar to be fitted out even more tech and defence wise adding more cost. It's to be Trump's Air Force One Super Jet, even protected against radiation. No expense spared for the US's Dear Leader. ~A$1billion I estimate.
And Trump will get to use it after his presidency. That a very, very nice gesture.
Of course the Dems are up in arms citing bribery ... Some Republicans too.
Elon might need to give Trump his own space shuttle, or lose favour.
Or a fantastic trip to Venus.
And Trump will get to use it after his presidency. That a very, very nice gesture.
Of course the Dems are up in arms citing bribery ... Some Republicans too.
Elon might need to give Trump his own space shuttle, or lose favour.
Or a fantastic trip to Venus.
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Precisely my question too Terry. Is almost as tho this regime wants another race to suffer the same as the European Jews did at the hands of the dreaded Waffen SS Nazis.
Grier
Well-Known Member
Doge-y Musk is suffering a lot of blow back for his chainsaw cuts. 
I'm amazed neither Trump nor Musk expected such resistance to their fiscal butchery. From most of the world and from US citizens too. They are twits, not geniuses.
So who will Trump attack tomorrow ? C urrently it's Europe, Harvard University, Apple, US judiciary, China, once close Allies, South Africa, Canada, Mexico, ... France, Germany, Climate Accords, Expelling genuine migrants, ...
What hypocrisy towards S Africa accusing them of Genocide towards White farmers there. A huge exaggeration while Trump himself is enabling Israel's gruesome genocide on Palestinians.
On the bright side China is increasing its purchases of quality grain fed beef from Australia. Why buy expensive low quality US beef.
Chinese EV's are getting better and cheaper while Tesla is in decline.
Will the US become a "failed state" with bugeoning inflation, low wages and unemployment ! All orchestrated by Trump. He'll go down in history as a Wrecker imo.
I'm amazed neither Trump nor Musk expected such resistance to their fiscal butchery. From most of the world and from US citizens too. They are twits, not geniuses.
So who will Trump attack tomorrow ? C urrently it's Europe, Harvard University, Apple, US judiciary, China, once close Allies, South Africa, Canada, Mexico, ... France, Germany, Climate Accords, Expelling genuine migrants, ...
What hypocrisy towards S Africa accusing them of Genocide towards White farmers there. A huge exaggeration while Trump himself is enabling Israel's gruesome genocide on Palestinians.
On the bright side China is increasing its purchases of quality grain fed beef from Australia. Why buy expensive low quality US beef.
Chinese EV's are getting better and cheaper while Tesla is in decline.
Will the US become a "failed state" with bugeoning inflation, low wages and unemployment ! All orchestrated by Trump. He'll go down in history as a Wrecker imo.
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Hypocrisy of the most extreme order Terry. I told you he has become delusional over his greed for power. The common symptoms of a tyrannical personality,.
Grier
Well-Known Member
That was a very informative clip Craig. Thanks.
It's nice to see Putin's economy and military forces in decline.
Ditto.
Drongo Trump!