Australian ODI XI - Selection Thread
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Thought Nannes would be a chance at heading over to India.
Thought Nannes would be a chance at heading over to India.
A.B De Villiers
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Maybe, it might depend on his intentions with his Dutch nationality and willingness to play for them. He will have to play for Australia more often though to get a contract I feel.
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Maybe, it might depend on his intentions with his Dutch nationality and willingness to play for them. He will have to play for Australia more often though to get a contract I feel.
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He cant play for the Dutch again and wont play for Australia either, they only gave him a game to deny him the chance to play against them
As for replacements, Henriques has been sent over to possibly replace Hopes if he doesnt recover before the 4th game and I dont Lee's injury is serious enough to require a replacement player with 2 extra fast bowlers in the squad
Probably made a mistake playing Hilfy ahead of Bollinger this game, also interesting they went for Henriques ahead of McDonald, obviously dont factor him into limited overs at all even though he did well in India
Trying to think of a best XI for Australia, have to fit in Clarke because they wont drop him
Watson, Clarke, Ponting, White, Hussey, Haddin, Hopes, Johnson, Lee, Hauritz, Bracken
Siddle, Marsh, Bollinger
Although from memory, Bracken was dropping off a bit this year, not considering Ferguson as he probably wont be back untill about the World Cup and after that Ponting and Hussey will be gone so he can come in, Watson very lucky but especially now he has a baggy blue he is safe for life
He cant play for the Dutch again and wont play for Australia either, they only gave him a game to deny him the chance to play against them
As for replacements, Henriques has been sent over to possibly replace Hopes if he doesnt recover before the 4th game and I dont Lee's injury is serious enough to require a replacement player with 2 extra fast bowlers in the squad
Probably made a mistake playing Hilfy ahead of Bollinger this game, also interesting they went for Henriques ahead of McDonald, obviously dont factor him into limited overs at all even though he did well in India
Trying to think of a best XI for Australia, have to fit in Clarke because they wont drop him
Watson, Clarke, Ponting, White, Hussey, Haddin, Hopes, Johnson, Lee, Hauritz, Bracken
Siddle, Marsh, Bollinger
Although from memory, Bracken was dropping off a bit this year, not considering Ferguson as he probably wont be back untill about the World Cup and after that Ponting and Hussey will be gone so he can come in, Watson very lucky but especially now he has a baggy blue he is safe for life
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Bracken I find is an Australian conditions bowler. He has never done as well overseas, but his worst is never bad. If he is playing in Australia there is no doubt but pick him. I would rate him up with the best. Playing overseas and he is only just better then his rivals, even contest. Therefore he is in the side, because Australia plays most of it's games in Australia and it's not as if he costs them games overseas.
My best team would be:
Watson, Marsh, Ponting, Clarke, Haddin, Hussey, Hopes, Johnson, Lee, Hauritz, Bracken
White, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Warner
Don't think it was a mistake playing Hilfy instead of Bollinger. I like Bollinger but Hilfy has shown he is a good enough one day player, better then Bollinger, in the past, for now anyway. Playing Bollinger in a more full time position seems to not quite be on the cards, but will be soon, especially considering he didn't do as well as many thought in the Champions League, not that that matters. Hilfy just didn't have it right in that game and could be considered unlucky.
If Lee isn't fit then Bollinger next game for sure. He will be around a bit more in the near future so good time to slowly introduce him through injuries.
Bracken I find is an Australian conditions bowler. He has never done as well overseas, but his worst is never bad. If he is playing in Australia there is no doubt but pick him. I would rate him up with the best. Playing overseas and he is only just better then his rivals, even contest. Therefore he is in the side, because Australia plays most of it's games in Australia and it's not as if he costs them games overseas.
My best team would be:
Watson, Marsh, Ponting, Clarke, Haddin, Hussey, Hopes, Johnson, Lee, Hauritz, Bracken
White, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Warner
Don't think it was a mistake playing Hilfy instead of Bollinger. I like Bollinger but Hilfy has shown he is a good enough one day player, better then Bollinger, in the past, for now anyway. Playing Bollinger in a more full time position seems to not quite be on the cards, but will be soon, especially considering he didn't do as well as many thought in the Champions League, not that that matters. Hilfy just didn't have it right in that game and could be considered unlucky.
If Lee isn't fit then Bollinger next game for sure. He will be around a bit more in the near future so good time to slowly introduce him through injuries.
eddiesmith
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Hilfy has shown in the past he can be a rubbish ODI bowler often getting spanked especially at the death against South Africa back home
Bollinger is better suited to Indian pitches, they are not much different to the SCG
Hilfy has shown in the past he can be a rubbish ODI bowler often getting spanked especially at the death against South Africa back home
Bollinger is better suited to Indian pitches, they are not much different to the SCG
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Hilfy has also shown in the past that he has been a great bowler with some very good bowling at the death.
As I said I think Bollinger is the better bowler, but with the form Hilfy had been in, and his further experience he was in line for that spot.
Now I doubt he will keep it.
Hilfy has also shown in the past that he has been a great bowler with some very good bowling at the death.
As I said I think Bollinger is the better bowler, but with the form Hilfy had been in, and his further experience he was in line for that spot.
Now I doubt he will keep it.
eddiesmith
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Career average of 38 and e/r of over 5.5, when has he ever shown it?
Career average of 38 and e/r of over 5.5, when has he ever shown it?
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Fair enough, but from memory I remember him winning the game on two occasions bowling the last over or two. That's just the way it's been and you would have had to just say that he was above in the pecking order. Bollinger hasn't played before Hilfy before.
Fair enough, but from memory I remember him winning the game on two occasions bowling the last over or two. That's just the way it's been and you would have had to just say that he was above in the pecking order. Bollinger hasn't played before Hilfy before.
eddiesmith
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Thats when horses for courses comes into play, in England and South Africa, maybe even a couple of Australian grounds then Hilfy may be a better option but in India, its Bollinger all the way
Personally I dont rate Bollinger, but there are certain pitch types where he is a handful for some players
Thats when horses for courses comes into play, in England and South Africa, maybe even a couple of Australian grounds then Hilfy may be a better option but in India, its Bollinger all the way
Personally I dont rate Bollinger, but there are certain pitch types where he is a handful for some players
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The only time I like horses for courses is when it is fill in players, so yes, the way you said is best.
Not for the actual team though. They should do as they have done and keep a winning team together no matter the ground or pitch.
The only time I like horses for courses is when it is fill in players, so yes, the way you said is best.
Not for the actual team though. They should do as they have done and keep a winning team together no matter the ground or pitch.
eddiesmith
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Yeah if you have XI top players then of course they play every game, but Hilfy and Bollinger are fringe players, shouldnt play because they are next in line but when conditions suit them
Yeah if you have XI top players then of course they play every game, but Hilfy and Bollinger are fringe players, shouldnt play because they are next in line but when conditions suit them
eddiesmith
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Yet again, depends on what the pitch is like and who is missing, Tait and Lee together can be deadly and more likely to get spanked
Yet again, depends on what the pitch is like and who is missing, Tait and Lee together can be deadly and more likely to get spanked
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I know how great Johnson is, and he is one of my favourite bowlers in Australia, but I have never been a fan on his ODI bowling, even though that's where he rose to stardom. So I am actually tempted to play Tait in his spot so the line up would be as such:
Lee
Tait
Bracken
Hauritz
Hopes
ODIs are more a risk and reward thing. Having Lee and Tait together can lead to a spanking, but that is a risk you have to take when together you could force three wickets down in the first ten overs. I like this line up because you have your two hit and miss extremely dangerouse spearheads going in the the kill, then you have three very economical bowlers that know their role in the team. Plus Bracken has a habit of getting wickets. That is my team for playing in Australia. I would not play Tait outside of Australia just yet.
I know how great Johnson is, and he is one of my favourite bowlers in Australia, but I have never been a fan on his ODI bowling, even though that's where he rose to stardom. So I am actually tempted to play Tait in his spot so the line up would be as such:
Lee
Tait
Bracken
Hauritz
Hopes
ODIs are more a risk and reward thing. Having Lee and Tait together can lead to a spanking, but that is a risk you have to take when together you could force three wickets down in the first ten overs. I like this line up because you have your two hit and miss extremely dangerouse spearheads going in the the kill, then you have three very economical bowlers that know their role in the team. Plus Bracken has a habit of getting wickets. That is my team for playing in Australia. I would not play Tait outside of Australia just yet.
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I'd rather see us be more flexible and go a horses for courses bowling lineup- esp in the one day arena.
Sure, pick two or three who will play 80% of the games, but there can be a floating 4 other bowlers, who get picked depending on where you're playing and who it is!
I'd rather see us be more flexible and go a horses for courses bowling lineup- esp in the one day arena.
Sure, pick two or three who will play 80% of the games, but there can be a floating 4 other bowlers, who get picked depending on where you're playing and who it is!
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But that also leads to another problem.
This is the full strength bowling line up:
Bracken
Lee
Johnson
Hauritz
Hopes
When you have all of those bowlers bowling at their best, which is very likely to happen, how can you justify dropping one for a random horses for courses selection? Say you are playing at the WACA and you drop Hauritz for Tait. How would the selectors explain to Hauritz that you have been playing very well, going for about 3 and over and an average of 25 with plenty of wickets. Now move aside so we can put in a bowler plagued with injury and is very very hit and miss.
How could Siddle get a game? By dropping Lee or Bracken, and seriously who would drop either of them?
How would Bollinger get a game? By dropping Johnson I suppose. How would you tell Mitch, the best player in the world currently as just appointed, that he is to be dropped for him?
el-capitano;373334 said:I'd rather see us be more flexible and go a horses for courses bowling lineup- esp in the one day arena.
Sure, pick two or three who will play 80% of the games, but there can be a floating 4 other bowlers, who get picked depending on where you're playing and who it is!
But that also leads to another problem.
This is the full strength bowling line up:
Bracken
Lee
Johnson
Hauritz
Hopes
When you have all of those bowlers bowling at their best, which is very likely to happen, how can you justify dropping one for a random horses for courses selection? Say you are playing at the WACA and you drop Hauritz for Tait. How would the selectors explain to Hauritz that you have been playing very well, going for about 3 and over and an average of 25 with plenty of wickets. Now move aside so we can put in a bowler plagued with injury and is very very hit and miss.
How could Siddle get a game? By dropping Lee or Bracken, and seriously who would drop either of them?
How would Bollinger get a game? By dropping Johnson I suppose. How would you tell Mitch, the best player in the world currently as just appointed, that he is to be dropped for him?