Dvca - How Do We Make It Better?

Underarm28

Active Member
Oh come on, I've never once heard "this match is so much harder because we are playing on a 6ft pitch".
Just ask the West Coast Eagle (up until late last year). they practice on a narrow wicket, when the got on the expanse of the MCG really struggled.

A good spinner would love the additional width in a 9 foot pitch to entice shots from a batsmen, where a 6 foot pitch see that ball called no ball. Its also the width that the big boys play on.

Its not a big issue but the finals cricket should be played on pitches that most team play on week in week out.
 

lower11

Active Member
I would like your thoughts on the standard of umpiring in this comp, is it just me or is it just my team that gets the short straw when it gets to poor decisions....
 

Tongs

BigCricket Moderator
Staff member
I would like your thoughts on the standard of umpiring in this comp, is it just me or is it just my team that gets the short straw when it gets to poor decisions....
Do you complain when your team gets one in its favour?

Its a bloody hard gig to be an umpire, and they are doing their absolute best. The only thing harder than umpiring, is finding new people that want to umpire. So how do we fix it, because its not neccessarily about knowing the rules, its peoples perception and how they see it. No different to players. One player thinks its out. One player doesn't.

And coming from someone that is now in a different comp, I can tell you that the umpires in the DVCA are much better than other comps.
 

_Blackhawk_

Active Member
Umpiring is not hard gig Tongs, not when you have good hearing and eyesight. This is the problem with our umpires and why I believe there are so many poor decisions. It's a matter of fact that your hearing and sight are the two senses that deteriorate the most. Higher tones become more difficult to hear as we get over 50. This is probably why many nicks get given not out, despite everyone on the field being able to hear it. Visual acuity is something that deteriorates greatly, probably why so many poor LBW's decisions are given; the umpires simply cannot see where the ball hits the batsman or where it has pitched.

This is not meant to be a bagging of our umpires, but it's just a matter of fact that the umpiring pool is aged and that physically, their senses will not be that of the players in the game. I have noticed that in the lower grades where players have to umpire, the standards are far better and I think it's because of this.

There's really only two ways to fix this; attract younger umpires or start to police the games ourselves. Walk when you snick it and only appeal when you really think that LBW is out.
 

gruban

Member
Umpiring is not hard gig Tongs, not when you have good hearing and eyesight. This is the problem with our umpires and why I believe there are so many poor decisions. It's a matter of fact that your hearing and sight are the two senses that deteriorate the most. Higher tones become more difficult to hear as we get over 50. This is probably why many nicks get given not out, despite everyone on the field being able to hear it. Visual acuity is something that deteriorates greatly, probably why so many poor LBW's decisions are given; the umpires simply cannot see where the ball hits the batsman or where it has pitched.

This is not meant to be a bagging of our umpires, but it's just a matter of fact that the umpiring pool is aged and that physically, their senses will not be that of the players in the game. I have noticed that in the lower grades where players have to umpire, the standards are far better and I think it's because of this.

There's really only two ways to fix this; attract younger umpires or start to police the games ourselves. Walk when you snick it and only appeal when you really think that LBW is out.
In the grades below the shield cricket there is quite a few umpires who are just far too old. Virtually no hearing and poor eye sight. But they keep rocking up week in week out because that extra cash goes nicely with their pensions. The DVCA really needs to tap a few on the shoulder and say thanks for your service, but you're not required next season. Most games in lower grades are umpired at a better standard when players do it than the bottom 25% of umpires.
 

_Blackhawk_

Active Member
In the grades below the shield cricket there is quite a few umpires who are just far too old. Virtually no hearing and poor eye sight. But they keep rocking up week in week out because that extra cash goes nicely with their pensions. The DVCA really needs to tap a few on the shoulder and say thanks for your service, but you're not required next season. Most games in lower grades are umpired at a better standard when players do it than the bottom 25% of umpires.
Yeh I think the DVCA might need to bite the bullet and do exactly that. However I'm not sure how you attract younger umpires, but that said I've never seen anything from the DVCA aimed at the clubs for umpire recruitment. I know a couple of our veteran players are considering an umpiring gig when they retire.
 

cricket master

Active Member
On umpiring. Do mash shield umpires really need 2 umpires? Few years ago most of mash were playing B grade with one umpire and it worked fine. The fact we don’t have umpires in all of C grade None in D or E is shyt. NMCA do it perfectly I feel with umpiring. And they get 20 more bucks. It’s is silly to think if you umpire b grade you umpire all 80 overs yet if you umpire Mash you umpire 40 overs and get some more pocket money and are judged a better umpire so you do half the work.
 
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_Blackhawk_

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I see they are proposing to remove the 50% rule for adverse conditions in a round. A good move, if you can get a game in you should, regardless of the other matches.

However, I don't agree with the proposal to allow a team batting second to forfeit the overs left in day 1 if there is 3 or more left to bowl. Must we water down senior cricket that much? Ok, that rule exists for the kids but for gods sake we are all (well mostly) grown adults and the reason given "to prevent hostile behaviour"...are you kidding me? I've opened the batting for many years from Money Shield to G grade and all in between, multiple times I've gone out with 1 over to bat, I've never had any "hostile behaviour" aimed at me. Sure you get the slips letting you know the 10 bucks next week might be wasted, "wouldn't want to get out today" call etc etc, but isn't that just the game? I expect their opening bowler to come in and try his hardest to get me out, is that unacceptable hostility now? Must we continue to sanitise the game because a few bleeding hearts can't stand the heat? Also I read that the umpires association suggested the rule change, how about if things are getting out of hand you act as the damn umpire and control the game? Besides which, if a team does forfeit the last couple of overs, what's the call going to be now, lets take a guess shall we; "he's scared, didn't want to come out last week and face it".....yeh, preventing hostile behaviour.....
 

shortnwide

Active Member
I see they are proposing to remove the 50% rule for adverse conditions in a round. A good move, if you can get a game in you should, regardless of the other matches.

However, I don't agree with the proposal to allow a team batting second to forfeit the overs left in day 1 if there is 3 or more left to bowl. Must we water down senior cricket that much? Ok, that rule exists for the kids but for gods sake we are all (well mostly) grown adults and the reason given "to prevent hostile behaviour"...are you kidding me? I've opened the batting for many years from Money Shield to G grade and all in between, multiple times I've gone out with 1 over to bat, I've never had any "hostile behaviour" aimed at me. Sure you get the slips letting you know the 10 bucks next week might be wasted, "wouldn't want to get out today" call etc etc, but isn't that just the game? I expect their opening bowler to come in and try his hardest to get me out, is that unacceptable hostility now? Must we continue to sanitise the game because a few bleeding hearts can't stand the heat? Also I read that the umpires association suggested the rule change, how about if things are getting out of hand you act as the damn umpire and control the game? Besides which, if a team does forfeit the last couple of overs, what's the call going to be now, lets take a guess shall we; "he's scared, didn't want to come out last week and face it".....yeh, preventing hostile behaviour.....
Dunno mate, been an opening bat too and on the end of plenty of hostile behaviour facing the last 10. Similarly, dished a bit out at the end of the day too.
My opinion is its all part of the game. Its not an enjoyable part of the day when batting but stiff sh*t.
 

_Blackhawk_

Active Member
I reckon getting through a tough session like that at the end of the day none down can give you some good confidence going into the next week. It doesn't get any harder than that opening up. The way I read the reason for the rule change was that they are defining "hostile behaviour" as something bad or even contravening the rules. I don't really class the normal kinda chatter that goes on during a game as "hostile behaviour". Just seems like a rule introduced in an attempt to strip some passion and emotion out of the game. What next? No celebrating a wicket?
 

Warwick Todd

Active Member
I like this proposed rule:

“Shield Grade players cannot be dropped more than one team at a time during a current season, unless during finals if their club has consecutive teams playing. The exception will be if the player has been unavailable for at least 3 consecutive matches.”

and this one

“If a club forfeits on or before Day 1 of a two-day match, and Day 1 is abandoned in all matches in that grade, the forfeiting team has the opportunity to field a side the following week. (A reduced penalty will apply).”
 

Old Grey Nick

Active Member
I see they are proposing to remove the 50% rule for adverse conditions in a round. A good move, if you can get a game in you should, regardless of the other matches.

However, I don't agree with the proposal to allow a team batting second to forfeit the overs left in day 1 if there is 3 or more left to bowl. Must we water down senior cricket that much? Ok, that rule exists for the kids but for gods sake we are all (well mostly) grown adults and the reason given "to prevent hostile behaviour"...are you kidding me? I've opened the batting for many years from Money Shield to G grade and all in between, multiple times I've gone out with 1 over to bat, I've never had any "hostile behaviour" aimed at me. Sure you get the slips letting you know the 10 bucks next week might be wasted, "wouldn't want to get out today" call etc etc, but isn't that just the game? I expect their opening bowler to come in and try his hardest to get me out, is that unacceptable hostility now? Must we continue to sanitise the game because a few bleeding hearts can't stand the heat? Also I read that the umpires association suggested the rule change, how about if things are getting out of hand you act as the damn umpire and control the game? Besides which, if a team does forfeit the last couple of overs, what's the call going to be now, lets take a guess shall we; "he's scared, didn't want to come out last week and face it".....yeh, preventing hostile behaviour.....
I think the 3 over right to choose whether you bat the last three (I'd make it 5) is spot on. What reward do you get for bowling a side out inside their allotted overs? Why should a team who were incapable of batting their allotted overs then have an advantage of bowling to blokes who have been in the field all day. I say if you can't bat all your overs then bad luck, you don't then get the chance to get back in the game by jagging a few late wickets in fading light.
 

Old Grey Nick

Active Member
I reckon getting through a tough session like that at the end of the day none down can give you some good confidence going into the next week. It doesn't get any harder than that opening up. The way I read the reason for the rule change was that they are defining "hostile behaviour" as something bad or even contravening the rules. I don't really class the normal kinda chatter that goes on during a game as "hostile behaviour". Just seems like a rule introduced in an attempt to strip some passion and emotion out of the game. What next? No celebrating a wicket?
No advantage if you're three fa. Doesn't do a great deal for your 'confidence'.
 
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