Dont see any point adding in an extra 1 dayer just so that there is 7 games in both 2day and 1day cricket. A 13 round draw with everyone playing each other once seems much more logical
Dvca - Money Shield - Season 2011/12
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Dont see any point adding in an extra 1 dayer just so that there is 7 games in both 2day and 1day cricket. A 13 round draw with everyone playing each other once seems much more logical
Tongs
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I've just been looking through the dates and I think these will be the dates we would be aiming to work around. So with all the different suggestions, they would need to fit these dates. (obviously my opinion only)
6th October - Round 1 starts
22nd December - Last playing date before Christmas. (Very close, but better than finishing on the 15th).
12th January - Return from break. (We normally always have 3 weeks off)
2nd March - Last round ends before finals. That equals 20 Saturdays being played for the season.
Finals start 9th March. Depends on voting of rules, but based on this year:
Semi: 9th and 10th March (11th March is Labour day for a reserve day)
GF: 16th / 17th / 23th / 24th March
6th October - Round 1 starts
22nd December - Last playing date before Christmas. (Very close, but better than finishing on the 15th).
12th January - Return from break. (We normally always have 3 weeks off)
2nd March - Last round ends before finals. That equals 20 Saturdays being played for the season.
Finals start 9th March. Depends on voting of rules, but based on this year:
Semi: 9th and 10th March (11th March is Labour day for a reserve day)
GF: 16th / 17th / 23th / 24th March
five80
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Ha! I think it's fairly well known that most reps in the DVCA are fairly traditional folk and change is viewed upon as an evil thing, much like witchcraft. To be honest, if the DVCA voted on whether the earth was flat or round at the next meeting, it could go either way!
Declaration Bowler
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Well, under the Rules, clubs have to receive a copy before the next meeting, and I was just assuming that this is still done by email as it has been done in the past.
Having Barclay 2nds play Money 1sts shows complete disrespect for Money teams and was only a stop gap idea as Yarrambat merged. Put a Barclay 2's side up again and they will get smashed. What a great way to develop your up and coming players making them face opposition that flogs them and gets them relegated back to B grade the following year. Promotion from B grade into Money should be scrapped and is a total waste of time. Thoughts?
Ex Prez
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Agreed, promotion relegation should only be BS / MS. The reserve grades reintroduced. (ie B & C become BSR & MSR again)
All grades B (C) grade and below are graded accordingy to club requests and DVCA exec final ruling - as was the case for 20 years prior!!
Now looking at the rule book, I cannot see anywhere that it states that the B grade premiers ( or any grade under for that matter) is promoted upon winning the premiership. The rule book S5 & S9 only refer to BS & MS. (unless I have missed it somewhere?)
the premier Money Shield club (if the grand final is tied or drawn, the highest competing club) will be promoted to Barclay Shield, and the lowest Barclay Shield club will be relegated to Money Shield;
There is no reference to any other grades - although it was implemented that way previously. The full grade promotion / relegation system I though was to be trialled for a few seasons and then re-evaluated. No time like the present circumstances to have that re-evaluation.
Playing teams 2's against 1's teams doesnt work ( ask Riverside).
As I have mentioned in earlier posts, our B grade team were hardly world beaters.
As at Round 8 we only just made it into the top 4. Barely scraped our way to win R10 vs 2nd last team Epping, Washed out in a 50/50 game against Plenty R11,The Semi we got out of jail after getting rolled for 150 and then had a great 2-3 hrs in the field in the GF. Hardly the form of a dominant team ready to take on the 1st XI's of MS.
In addition to this we will lose at least 3 of our most experienced players to retirement (to the lower grades anyway). This leaves our B grade team, very light on for experience and facing MS teams every week , would not go well.
HB - despite a horrible GF weekend, were clearly the best team during the year - and as a 1st XI, need to go up to MS.
Tongs - it will be a pity if we dont go up. We tend to lift a little when playing the Panthers and it would have been great for our 2's to beat your 1s.
WanderingUnity
Active Member
Agreed, promotion relegation should only be BS / MS. The reserve grades reintroduced. (ie B & C become BSR & MSR again)
All grades B (C) grade and below are graded accordingy to club requests and DVCA exec final ruling - as was the case for 20 years prior!!
Now looking at the rule book, I cannot see anywhere that it states that the B grade premiers ( or any grade under for that matter) is promoted upon winning the premiership. The rule book S5 & S9 only refer to BS & MS. (unless I have missed it somewhere?)
the premier Money Shield club (if the grand final is tied or drawn, the highest competing club) will be promoted to Barclay Shield, and the lowest Barclay Shield club will be relegated to Money Shield;
There is no reference to any other grades - although it was implemented that way previously. The full grade promotion / relegation system I though was to be trialled for a few seasons and then re-evaluated. No time like the present circumstances to have that re-evaluation.
Playing teams 2's against 1's teams doesnt work ( ask Riverside).
As I have mentioned in earlier posts, our B grade team were hardly world beaters.
As at Round 8 we only just made it into the top 4. Barely scraped our way to win R10 vs 2nd last team Epping, Washed out in a 50/50 game against Plenty R11,The Semi we got out of jail after getting rolled for 150 and then had a great 2-3 hrs in the field in the GF. Hardly the form of a dominant team ready to take on the 1st XI's of MS.
In addition to this we will lose at least 3 of our most experienced players to retirement (to the lower grades anyway). This leaves our B grade team, very light on for experience and facing MS teams every week , would not go well.
HB - despite a horrible GF weekend, were clearly the best team during the year - and as a 1st XI, need to go up to MS.
Tongs - it will be a pity if we dont go up. We tend to lift a little when playing the Panthers and it would have been great for our 2's to beat your 1s.
Do agree with you on all that Ex Pres, just not sure how we can stop sides from dropping blokes at the end of the season to strengthen and dominate lower grades to win a flag, unless they fear relegation or some penalty.
All other grades should be dependant on Clubs trying and challenging their own players to play to a certain level, and the DVCA exec should ask for reasons as to why the side from the season before should not stay in the same grade, or go up.
All good points. Even if you put Mill Park and Hurstbridge up it would be more of a punishment for Mill Park to start with less points and lose most games in Money than drop to B grade and possibly win enough games to play finals.Agreed, promotion relegation should only be BS / MS. The reserve grades reintroduced. (ie B & C become BSR & MSR again)
All grades B (C) grade and below are graded accordingy to club requests and DVCA exec final ruling - as was the case for 20 years prior!!
Now looking at the rule book, I cannot see anywhere that it states that the B grade premiers ( or any grade under for that matter) is promoted upon winning the premiership. The rule book S5 & S9 only refer to BS & MS. (unless I have missed it somewhere?)
the premier Money Shield club (if the grand final is tied or drawn, the highest competing club) will be promoted to Barclay Shield, and the lowest Barclay Shield club will be relegated to Money Shield;
There is no reference to any other grades - although it was implemented that way previously. The full grade promotion / relegation system I though was to be trialled for a few seasons and then re-evaluated. No time like the present circumstances to have that re-evaluation.
Playing teams 2's against 1's teams doesnt work ( ask Riverside).
As I have mentioned in earlier posts, our B grade team were hardly world beaters.
As at Round 8 we only just made it into the top 4. Barely scraped our way to win R10 vs 2nd last team Epping, Washed out in a 50/50 game against Plenty R11,The Semi we got out of jail after getting rolled for 150 and then had a great 2-3 hrs in the field in the GF. Hardly the form of a dominant team ready to take on the 1st XI's of MS.
In addition to this we will lose at least 3 of our most experienced players to retirement (to the lower grades anyway). This leaves our B grade team, very light on for experience and facing MS teams every week , would not go well.
HB - despite a horrible GF weekend, were clearly the best team during the year - and as a 1st XI, need to go up to MS.
Tongs - it will be a pity if we dont go up. We tend to lift a little when playing the Panthers and it would have been great for our 2's to beat your 1s.
left arm around
Member
Agreed, promotion relegation should only be BS / MS. The reserve grades reintroduced. (ie B & C become BSR & MSR again)
All grades B (C) grade and below are graded accordingy to club requests and DVCA exec final ruling - as was the case for 20 years prior!!
Now looking at the rule book, I cannot see anywhere that it states that the B grade premiers ( or any grade under for that matter) is promoted upon winning the premiership. The rule book S5 & S9 only refer to BS & MS. (unless I have missed it somewhere?)
the premier Money Shield club (if the grand final is tied or drawn, the highest competing club) will be promoted to Barclay Shield, and the lowest Barclay Shield club will be relegated to Money Shield;
There is no reference to any other grades - although it was implemented that way previously. The full grade promotion / relegation system I though was to be trialled for a few seasons and then re-evaluated. No time like the present circumstances to have that re-evaluation.
Playing teams 2's against 1's teams doesnt work ( ask Riverside).
As I have mentioned in earlier posts, our B grade team were hardly world beaters.
As at Round 8 we only just made it into the top 4. Barely scraped our way to win R10 vs 2nd last team Epping, Washed out in a 50/50 game against Plenty R11,The Semi we got out of jail after getting rolled for 150 and then had a great 2-3 hrs in the field in the GF. Hardly the form of a dominant team ready to take on the 1st XI's of MS.
In addition to this we will lose at least 3 of our most experienced players to retirement (to the lower grades anyway). This leaves our B grade team, very light on for experience and facing MS teams every week , would not go well.
HB - despite a horrible GF weekend, were clearly the best team during the year - and as a 1st XI, need to go up to MS.
Tongs - it will be a pity if we dont go up. We tend to lift a little when playing the Panthers and it would have been great for our 2's to beat your 1s.
Why did they get rid of the Barclay and Money Shield/Reserve concept?
Agree that this should be reintroduced
Declaration Bowler
Active Member
Agree totally.
One major reason it was introduced in the first place was to ensure that players brought up to the 1st XIs had been playing at a standard which prepared them.
Before it was introduced, some (then) A Grade clubs had found themselves with their 2nds in C or D Grades, and the younger players simply couldn't handle the jump.
The result was that those A Grade teams simply became weaker and weaker as time went on.
Which did nothing for those clubs, or for the standard of A Grade.
In the end, those clubs faced inevitable relegation.
This will now become even more common when new teams are added to B and C Grades, breaking up the continuity of each clubs' teams.
It was seen by the exec as a "dead" grade in that there was no incentive to win games or be competitive once finals were no longer an option. Clubs could then "stack" lower teams without the possibility of their barclay/money shield reserve team being relegated.
Tongs
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I completely agree. If you look at Eltham 2nd XI, they played off in the semi final in B grade (BS Reserve) but with our 1s in MS. With the way that it is now, teams play in grades they deserve, if you win the GF you're the best team in the comp and you go up. If you finish last, you're the shltest team in the comp and you go down. Not rocket science.
I couldn't care about wether it is a clubs 1st XI, or the clubs 4th XI. If they are good enough to play against in the top grade, and they have earnt their stripes going through the grades winning flags then I don't care what level it is at that club.
Too many clubs/players want to be big fish in a little pond. Not to harp on Bundoora, but Ross Adams playing B grade all year and taking 60 odd wickets, and not going up to their 1s, that is a disgrace. B grade bowling awards are usually won with 25-35 wickets, because anyone that takes anywhere near that plays a few games in the ones. Not at Bundoora.
So what would happen if Bundoora win the flag again next year? Again say that they don't want to go up because they will lose players, or it will be too hard for them? Stop trophy/flag hunting, grow a pair of balls and play in MS and push a few MS sides. Get some wins. Where your'e at now, you're making the WHOLE of your 2nd XI sound like a pack of scared little girls who don't want to play some fast bowlers or good bats, or they don't like losing. Bundoora second XI are officially the softest bunch of blokes in the whole of the DVCA.
Ex Prez
Active Member
You are a dead set flog. It is only the 2nd time in 10 years that our B grade have played finals!! So not sure about the big fish remark...??
Yes Rosco had a great year but took 38 wickets in the last 6 games incl the finals. Would no doubt have played A grade at most other Barclay clubs. Very hard to get a gig in our 1's when our bowling was our strength.(and has been for a while).
Sunny won the A grade comp bowling and only bowled about 90 overs. Stu Adams came 2nd. We then had Dinesh, Janan Daniel & the coach who couldnt get a bowl most weeks - they would be the main bowlers in nearly any other A grade team.
Who do you drop to fit him in...?
In the end, your opinion matters little to me, the Club or the DVCA.
Just try concentrating on getting your mediocre mob back into BS. (or are you really worried about playing us in B grade in 2013...when the bottom 3 MS come down)
Tongs
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Did I hit a nerve there did I princess?
Take the Rosco factor out, if you refuse to go up (which should be a decision made by your B grade players, afterall, they are the ones that won the GF and deserve to go up), then they are nothing short of the soft c0cks. By you saying that you don't want to go up and get flogged says that you have no faith in anyone in your B grade. That they are all pea hearts that are not able to stand up against better sides.
So which is it? You don't rate any of them, or they are all soft?
Bundoora
Active Member
Both, they require a leader with equal characteristics. Should I put your clearance request through??
PremiersAgain
Active Member
To all the new people on here welcome and as I'm sure most of you have already noticed Tongs is one of the biggest knobs on here.
How many times do clubs keep their same 11 players together in the lower grades?
