Is Kallis the best allrounder ever
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the_socialite
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Re: Is Kallis the best allrounder ever
Don't know how it is humanly possible to go past Sobers.
Don't know how it is humanly possible to go past Sobers.
the_socialite
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Re: Is Kallis the best allrounder ever
Wouldn't say that, similar type medium pacers, plus there was Sobers' spinners
Wouldn't say that, similar type medium pacers, plus there was Sobers' spinners
Re: Is Kallis the best allrounder ever
A great question.
Very hard to compare players from different eras but we cant help ourselves and do it anyway.
Sobers was fantastic yet Kallis is a magnificent batsmen who bowls so very well. A wonderful player, certainly the best AR I have seen live.
I have asked a few of my older cricket loving relatives and they say that Sobers was a match winner with both bat and ball, whilst Kallis wins more games with the bat then he does with the ball.
So I have swung to Sobers, but only just. However Kallis is a legend and will retire as one of the greats.
A great question.
Very hard to compare players from different eras but we cant help ourselves and do it anyway.
Sobers was fantastic yet Kallis is a magnificent batsmen who bowls so very well. A wonderful player, certainly the best AR I have seen live.
I have asked a few of my older cricket loving relatives and they say that Sobers was a match winner with both bat and ball, whilst Kallis wins more games with the bat then he does with the ball.
So I have swung to Sobers, but only just. However Kallis is a legend and will retire as one of the greats.
Re: Is Kallis the best allrounder ever
You assuming I don't watch Kallis play.
Your first mistake.
The guy is magnificent, a great player who has dispatched attacks all over the park and bowled so tight when his country has needed him. Has what some call the magic arm, breaks opposing teams partnerships up when required.
Secondly no one gets out on purpose, unless they are fixing the game. To say he gets out "to give the other guys in the team a turn" is a tad unrealistic and completely fabricated to suit your Kallis argument.
I was being reasonable and do recommend you look up Sobers stats.
Test Runs 8032 HS 365* AVG 57.78
Test Wickets 235 AVG 34.03
Cricinfo - Players and Officials - Sir Garry Sobers
That is where it will be left. @|
You assuming I don't watch Kallis play.
Your first mistake.
The guy is magnificent, a great player who has dispatched attacks all over the park and bowled so tight when his country has needed him. Has what some call the magic arm, breaks opposing teams partnerships up when required.
Secondly no one gets out on purpose, unless they are fixing the game. To say he gets out "to give the other guys in the team a turn" is a tad unrealistic and completely fabricated to suit your Kallis argument.
I was being reasonable and do recommend you look up Sobers stats.
Test Runs 8032 HS 365* AVG 57.78
Test Wickets 235 AVG 34.03
Cricinfo - Players and Officials - Sir Garry Sobers
That is where it will be left. @|
mas cambios
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Re: Is Kallis the best allrounder ever
Ha ha, you're having a laugh. The guy is one of the most self centred & selfish players ever to step onto a cricket pitch. It's all about Kallis and no one else. That is not necessarily a bad thing but who knows. Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post?
Kallis is a good player but he just doesn't have the all round ability that Sobers had. True, Kallis may have the better bowling average but you have to remember that Sobers continued to bowl even when 'past it' because the team required it of him.
If he had been able to lessen his workload during his later years then I'm sure his average would have been close to if not better than Kallis. Anyway, we are talking a 2 or so runs per wicket so it's not a massive difference.
Sobers was also a better all round player, in terms of where he could bat, what he could bowl and he was also a tremendous fielder, up there with the best. He offered the teams he played for a versatility which very few others have been able to.
They are both greats but Sobers edges it for me.
water_boy;313535 said:
Ha ha, you're having a laugh. The guy is one of the most self centred & selfish players ever to step onto a cricket pitch. It's all about Kallis and no one else. That is not necessarily a bad thing but who knows. Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post?
Kallis is a good player but he just doesn't have the all round ability that Sobers had. True, Kallis may have the better bowling average but you have to remember that Sobers continued to bowl even when 'past it' because the team required it of him.
If he had been able to lessen his workload during his later years then I'm sure his average would have been close to if not better than Kallis. Anyway, we are talking a 2 or so runs per wicket so it's not a massive difference.
Sobers was also a better all round player, in terms of where he could bat, what he could bowl and he was also a tremendous fielder, up there with the best. He offered the teams he played for a versatility which very few others have been able to.
They are both greats but Sobers edges it for me.
mas cambios
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Re: Is Kallis the best allrounder ever
Shhh, you're not supposed to pick up on the puns.
Shhh, you're not supposed to pick up on the puns.
