New World Cup Format

[Ljp86]

New World Cup Format

The ICC has devised a new format for the World Cup. The council has confirmed that the 2011 tournament will be shorter than the 2007 version with the cup being held for 38 days instead of the 47 day stretch experienced last year. There will also be fewer teams, with 14 teams taking part and they will be split into two groups of seven. The ten ICC members will automatically qualify with the four other participants to be decided via a 2009 qualifying series.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/7303639.stm

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Format is still a joke. Should be no more than 12 teams and the tournament shouldn't go for longer than a month. I'd be happy to see three groups of four to be then followed by a super six format. The super six format would see two games played per day, a day game and a day/night fixture on each day during the super six stage. Following this would be the semi-finals and then of course the Grand Final.

All up, this format wouldn't go for longer than a month and would ensure a quick but entertaining battle for the right to earn the World Cup. It would be better for fans and the players and wouldn't see the tournament drag on and on, which was what happened in the West Indies.

Unfortunately, the ICC only sees dollar signs and they'll drag it out for as long as they can in order to maximize their bank account when they really should be thinking of the game.

So, what does everyone think? Any suggestions you might have, post them up here for discussion.

 

[Bluto11]

Re: New World Cup Format

I like your idea for the format.

I say scrap the second group phase all together and just go with 1 group phase and then knockouts. that'll get it done quickly!!

 

[Kram81]

Re: New World Cup Format

I like the sound of less minnows, though 4 plus the Zimbos is still too much. It's supposed to be the showcase of one day Cricket, Bermuda last year FFS, what a joke.

Still angers me that the Sub Continent gets to hold the World Cup out of turn over Australia and New Zealand. I was only 9 in 92 so I have to wait until I'm 33 to see a WC.

Imagine 100k at the MCG for a final if Australia made it. At least the crowd wouldn't set fire to the seats and the game could be finished properly if the home side was being beaten

 

[Ljp86]

Re: New World Cup Format

I like your idea for the format.

I say scrap the second group phase all together and just go with 1 group phase and then knockouts. that'll get it done quickly!!

I believe the second phase is needed, it just doesn't have to be as drawn out as what occurred in the 2007 tournament.

If you look at the 2007 event, you'll see that Bangladesh fluked a win against India (and knocked India out of the tournament), if Bangladesh finished on top of that group, they could see themselves in a semi-final if the second phase was scrapped and at this point, Bangladesh aren't deserving of semi-final.

I like the sound of less minnows, though 4 plus the Zimbos is still too much. It's supposed to be the showcase of one day Cricket, Bermuda last year FFS, what a joke.

Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. Don't forget that Bangladesh are still rather crap. 12 teams is more logical, that would mean the ten test playing nations and then two more minnows, one of them would be Kenya and then probably Ireland, two minnows that are actually not bad cricket sides when they are on song.

I've never really been a big fan of so many minnows playing. This is supposed to be a World Cup and while emphasis is placed on the tournament being a "global" event, there needs to be some prestige associated with such a series. While Bermuda tries hard, they really aren't up to it and conceding over 400 runs against India isn't going to achieve much in the way of development and improvement.

Still angers me that the Sub Continent gets to hold the World Cup out of turn over Australia and New Zealand. I was only 9 in 92 so I have to wait until I'm 33 to see a WC.

Subcontinent is the ICC. They wield so much power these days that it just isn't funny. We all know what happened with the Harbhajan Singh suspension controversy, India threatened to take their bat and ball and go home only for the ICC to back down and give him a reprimand.

Imagine 100k at the MCG for a final if Australia made it. At least the crowd wouldn't set fire to the seats and the game could be finished properly if the home side was being beaten

Probably but don't be so sure.

 

[D.K]

Re: New World Cup Format

ICC is just a money hungry organisation. I don't think they understand by making our showcase of the great game so long it will turn more people off then encourage more people to participate.

Hoping when Speed leaves the new feller (South African I believe) will ring the changes.

 

[Bluto11]

Re: New World Cup Format

I believe the second phase is needed, it just doesn't have to be as drawn out as what occurred in the 2007 tournament.

If you look at the 2007 event, you'll see that Bangladesh fluked a win against India (and knocked India out of the tournament), if Bangladesh finished on top of that group, they could see themselves in a semi-final if the second phase was scrapped and at this point, Bangladesh aren't deserving of semi-final.

so they fluked a win and if they get rewarded with a semi-final, then so be it. Just because they haven't been historically anything to write home about doesn't mean that if they string together a few wins and a bit of luck they shouldn't be able to advance.

I'm just a sucker for upsets.

 

[Ljp86]

Re: New World Cup Format

so they fluked a win and if they get rewarded with a semi-final, then so be it. Just because they haven't been historically anything to write home about doesn't mean that if they string together a few wins and a bit of luck they shouldn't be able to advance.

I'm just a sucker for upsets.

I too like to see some upsets but I just think that the lesser ranked sides should have to prove themself more than once in a tournament in order to advance themselves further in the series.

I'm sure most sports are like this. The AFL finals system is the same, the lowest ranked finals side has to win more than one game to reach the Grand Final.

 

[Bluto11]

Re: New World Cup Format

I too like to see some upsets but I just think that the lesser ranked sides should have to prove themself more than once in a tournament in order to advance themselves further in the series.

I'm sure most sports are like this. The AFL finals system is the same, the lowest ranked finals side has to win more than one game to reach the Grand Final.

I don't know how it works in most of the world with a playoff system, but in the states it is winner advances (but in most sports it is a best of 5 or 7 game series so the better team usually previls over the long haul).

 

[Ljp86]

Re: New World Cup Format

I don't know how it works in most of the world with a playoff system, but in the states it is winner advances (but in most sports it is a best of 5 or 7 game series so the better team usually previls over the long haul).

The AFL finals system sees eight teams out of 16 make the finals. The teams that only just make the finals, seventh and eighth place need to win three games in a row in order to reach the Grand Final. All of those these games are away from their home ground which is usually a distinct disadvantage in the AFL.

The percentage chance of one of those two teams winning the permiership is about 6.67% or some figure around that mark so they have little hope of winning the competition unless they play really well for the whole month and not just one game.

The same permise should be applied to the World Cup. The lesser sides must prove themselves in the group stage and then in the next stage after that whether it be a Super Six or Super Eight format. If they can do that, then they would be genuinely deserving of a semi-final place and it wouldn't be off the back of one good performance.

 

[Kram81]

Re: New World Cup Format

Dear Lord, they are going back to quarter finals. Absolutely unbelievable.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/343196.html

Didn't they learn from the last WC in India (the worst ever..) where to group stage was almost pointless as the eight Test sides bar Zimbabwe cruised to the finals??

Surely the reason for this is purely financial, they obviously want to make sure India and Pakistan make it to the finals even if the choke again?

The ICC is an utter disgrace.

 

[Ljp86]

Re: New World Cup Format

Dear Lord, they are going back to quarter finals. Absolutely unbelievable.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/343196.html

Didn't they learn from the last WC in India (the worst ever..) where to group stage was almost pointless as the eight Test sides bar Zimbabwe cruised to the finals??

Surely the reason for this is purely financial, they obviously want to make sure India and Pakistan make it to the finals even if the choke again?

The ICC is an utter disgrace.

That article says they must have a minimum of 47 matches according to a deal with ESPN-star. What a joke, not only have they sold out for loads of cash, but they sold out to make this longest format possible. Surely this will only bore followers of the game rather than keep them entertained. The Super Eight stage went on forever in 2007, over a month for one section of a tournament. Utterly ridiculous.

 

[Kram81]

Re: New World Cup Format

What do you think about going back to WC 96's Quarter Finals setup Ljp86?? I'm suprised you didn't comment about it, I almost fell over when I heard the news.

Cricket is being destroyed by these peanuts, it's upsetting.

 

[Ljp86]

Re: New World Cup Format

What do you think about going back to WC 96's Quarter Finals setup Ljp86?? I'm suprised you didn't comment about it, I almost fell over when I heard the news.

Cricket is being destroyed by these peanuts, it's upsetting.

Pretty crap. I would prefer them to have a Super Eight/Super Six type thing which can be run within a reasonable timeframe.

They should use a Super Six format, similar to the one I mentioned earlier in this thread. The phase would take a little less two weeks if they played two matches per day (a day fixture and then a day/night one) and it wouldn't take as long as previous "super stages". They could also add in a general rest day or perhaps have a couple of days where only one game is played. It would keep the fans happy and we wouldn't have a tournament that drags on for ages.

The use of quarter finals is a ploy to get the eight best teams into those places (much like the Super Eight phase) but then make it more fairer for the lesser ranked sides as they have a better of winning a one off game rather than having to win four or five matches to earn a semi-final berth. I don't see much point to it, the only thing they're doing is adding an additional fixture where both teams will be going hammer and tong to make it to the semi-finals.

At least Speed will be gone soon, the guy was an absolute muppet. Hopefully his sucessor will try and change the ICC for the better and make sure the cricketing body looks out for the game and not just its bank account.