Ricky Ponting's Australia - 2009 Champions Trophy Winners. Offical Praise Thread.

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Re: Ricky Ponting's Australia - 2009 Champions Trophy Winners. Offical Praise Thread.

Every player I think falls into that middle bracket of yours, I don't think there has been anyone in the past 50 years that falls into that first bracket. Even guys like Gilchrist have had their times, like when he argued with an umpire for a full 5 minutes over whether he appealed or not, things like that, that is part of the game.

There needs to be another bracket underneath the lower one you have for the lowest of players.

Ponting has a spotty career, yes, but that's because he is captain. Every captain is like that, and I think Strauss is just as good a guy as he is.

I am not saying this because I am so blatenty biased, but I think Australia has had the best record over a number of years. Because they have been around the top since the start of international cricket on and off, but mostly on, they haven't had to deal with as much, they haven't had the need to cheat. I think that Australia is therefore examined closer, because obviously the wonder team of the just past generation 'had' to be cheating to win so much, it couldn't be just talent. The Aussies should be the role models as far as I am concerned. Biased, it may be, but that is what I think.

Controlled aggression is already here. Look at Lee and Johnson. Scary stuff.
Gamesmanship, absolutely not. Throw any player that looks that way out. I don't think Haddin is quite as bad as you say he is, but honestly I haven't seen much of him as he has spent his whole career at NSW.

Also the game should stay in control of the umpires hands to ensure that players have the need for the sportsmanship instead of gamesmanship. The umpires need the player's help, and the players need the umpire.
 
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I think part of the problem is the fact that when teams play Australia their bad behaviour is often excused on the basis that the "aussies have been doing it for years".

Like when Gambhir punched watson in the groin and even said that he deserved it because he must have been mouthing off.

This attitude is a significant problem in how the game is run at the moment.
 
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All deriving from T20s I believe. Knew that would happen.

Franchise a game and there is too much money at stake to lose.
 
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From memory Gambhir missed a test for that elbow so it's not all a one way street.

As for the gamesmanship comment, I don't mean things like throwing balls at batsmen and making unnecessary contact while running, I mean things like sledging (within reason), aggressive body language, boisterous appealing, that kind of stuff. This kind of stuff was the cornerstone of Steve Waugh's 'mental disintegration' ploy, and he readily admitted that (which is probably where a lot of the 'the Aussies have been doing it for years' attitude comes from).

Cricket is never going to go back to the days of 'How is that for LBW good sir? Out? Splendid!', but as long as rules aren't being broken and player's aren't going overboard with personal sledging, I think gamesmanship adds to the spectacle.
 
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I agree entirely, my beaf is with the public and media who seem to have a clear case of double standards. I have provided ample evidence of this.

Who remembers Singh celebrating after he got Ponting at the SCG new test in the 2nd innings, running 3/4's of the way to the boundary and engaging in a ridicilous army roll dive. Talk about rubbing your face in it, the commentators described Singh at the time as an "enthusiastic" cricketer, 24 hours later Roebuck was criticising Australia for their "triumphalism" at the end of the SCG test match for jumping up and down in a huddle, yet their was no mention of Singh's cringeworthy celebration that made Brett Lee's Chainsaw look like a pair of scissors.

Double standards. Disgrace.
 
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Peter Roebuck is an outlier in that everything he writes is wildly biased, sensationalistic and aimed at stirring controversy (especially by hanging it on the Aussies), rather than presenting an honest opinion. I wouldn't use his 'journalism' as evidence of a greater pattern of double-standards.
 
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I am using my cricket knowledge built up over 15 years of watching cricket, following cricket in various forms of the media and playing cricket at a representative level as batsmen. At times I was facing bowlers that were bowling 140 Km +, I know cricket.
 
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I am not sure how that is relevant but I was, of course, agreeing with you
 
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Sledging I have no problem with, in reason. Most sledging is friendly rivalry, like the Warne sledges.

Like after Collingwood had a psych test, Warnie shouted out "Was the chair comfortable?". Not hurting anyone, he shouldn't take it personally and should laugh along with them. Just like down at the local club cricket where everyone takes the piss out of everyone just for fun.

The public opinion is always very annoying, because when you really think about it, there aren't that many die hard cricket followers. There aren't many people that check websites for news every week and so on. Cricket is a game where, unlike AFL, NRL etc, where every single bit of information can be used. Therefore the people that don't gather large amounts of it have opinions that are varied and not backed up by facts.

Therefore those opinions cannot be trusted and will always end up with things like Warner is the best batsman ever because he scored 80 off 30 against South Africa in his first match. See, biased, but some people think like that.

Then there are journalists who twist the truth and over analyse aspects just for the attention, depending on who or what pays them more.

I have given up trying to think about changing those things. I think we just have to move on and believe that forums like this have the only opinions that matter, other then your own that is.
 
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I agree, its the main problem I had with other forums, cricket is a game that is spread out over so many days, not like AFL which is over in 2 hours. As such it is often great to have a bit of banter on match threads and what not, especially if the game is going a bit slow.

Other sites slowly got rid of the banter, i used to have some epic discussions with people over on other forums just talking cricket, interwhined with a bit of banter.

I hope these forums continue to allow us to have a bit of fun.
 
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I have given up with other forums really, I find they have either too many people or people with not only cricket in mind, but it is their second sport. On here there seem to be only cricket fanatics, or at least they become one once they turn their mind to BC mode.

I think BC has a kinda 'homey' feel to it, like everyone is your friend even if you insult them. My example would be eddie and I, we have completely different opinions on almost everything cricket yet I still trust and respect his opinion no matter how skewed I personally think it is. I enjoy having his company on threads where I rip of on players that don't necessarily deserve it. :p

What I also like about this site is that I can think out loud and voice my completely wacko ideas (you must have heard one). There are only a couple of people that I can count that disrespect these ideas and call me stupid things, but the rest try and disprove it using actual evidence. On other sites I am too scared to voice those ideas with the thought of being insulted, then me insulting them (and with my luck they'd probably be mods or something) and me getting kicked off the site.

I don't know if you agree but personally I think BC is the best cricketing forum there is. Allows that public and media crap to get filtred into useful information.
 
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Eddie is great value, he have to realise with Eddie that often he is simply taking the piss, he is just having a rant about someone picked and why it should have been some Victorian in Second XI club cricket in Frankston.

But by the same token you can still realise when he is being serious and when he is not. Most people on BF would think that his being 100% fair dinkum whatever he typed. Edward is a great addition to these boards.
 
Re: Ricky Ponting's Australia - 2009 Champions Trophy Winners. Offical Praise Thread.

There are very few people on this site who I wish would go away.

I'm sure there are plenty that think that of me though.
 
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