Should you stay or should you go!
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Nightvision
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Haha, I'm afraid I can't think of a cheap alternative to that one... unless you strap a handycam to the umpire and stop for 20 minutes every time there's a contentious decision!
Haha, I'm afraid I can't think of a cheap alternative to that one... unless you strap a handycam to the umpire and stop for 20 minutes every time there's a contentious decision!
Nightvision
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Erm, probably because you're cheating if you know you're out and you don't walk. It is as simple as that. If an umpire gives a bad decision, well over 90% of the time, it is an honest mistake made by someone doing their best.
It is nothing like the outright cheating of not walking when a bowler has got the better of you and you're not man enough to walk and admit it.
Erm, probably because you're cheating if you know you're out and you don't walk. It is as simple as that. If an umpire gives a bad decision, well over 90% of the time, it is an honest mistake made by someone doing their best.
It is nothing like the outright cheating of not walking when a bowler has got the better of you and you're not man enough to walk and admit it.
Nightvision
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Yes, I would. Any instance where a player knows he was out and does not walk, he is cheating. That goes for international players, county players, right the way down to village players.
Cricket has always been a 'gentleman's game', where the spirit of fair play should preside above all. This is why I now vastly prefer playing Cricket than Football (soccer). Unfortunately, this spirit appears to be waning thanks to the increasing dishonesty and 'win at all costs' mentality.
Yes, I would. Any instance where a player knows he was out and does not walk, he is cheating. That goes for international players, county players, right the way down to village players.
Cricket has always been a 'gentleman's game', where the spirit of fair play should preside above all. This is why I now vastly prefer playing Cricket than Football (soccer). Unfortunately, this spirit appears to be waning thanks to the increasing dishonesty and 'win at all costs' mentality.
Re: Should you stay or should you go!
well then im in elite company. i think its a choice you have to make. well when im playing with my friends i walk because its all just for fun and i know they are all honest. but in a competitive match i dont see the need for it. i dont think its dishonesty. you are being dishonest when you claim a catch that you didnt take because you are trying to fool the umpire but when you dont walk its not the same.
well then im in elite company. i think its a choice you have to make. well when im playing with my friends i walk because its all just for fun and i know they are all honest. but in a competitive match i dont see the need for it. i dont think its dishonesty. you are being dishonest when you claim a catch that you didnt take because you are trying to fool the umpire but when you dont walk its not the same.
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I think it is exactly the same! - Trying to fool the umpire either way - walking isn't fooling the umpire - its basic honesty - not walking is .... are you saying that competitive matches cant be fun? Like a few others here I play for fun, I also play competitive league cricket .. for fun - pitting my skills against the opposition with the best man coming out on top - if that necessitates cheating then the best man has not won ..... as I said previously we all live by different ethical and moral codes - you know you hit it - why would you not walk???? - surely that is trying to fool the umpire and by your own admission that constitutes dishonesty!! Ah well - lets not all fall out about it - we play cricket for fun we contribute to this site for fun .. just enjoy and be happy with the decision you thing is right!
I think it is exactly the same! - Trying to fool the umpire either way - walking isn't fooling the umpire - its basic honesty - not walking is .... are you saying that competitive matches cant be fun? Like a few others here I play for fun, I also play competitive league cricket .. for fun - pitting my skills against the opposition with the best man coming out on top - if that necessitates cheating then the best man has not won ..... as I said previously we all live by different ethical and moral codes - you know you hit it - why would you not walk???? - surely that is trying to fool the umpire and by your own admission that constitutes dishonesty!! Ah well - lets not all fall out about it - we play cricket for fun we contribute to this site for fun .. just enjoy and be happy with the decision you thing is right!
Nightvision
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No, it's still the same. The umpire is clearly unsure as to whether you hit it or not, and like any good umpire, if in doubt, he will almost always side with the batsman and give a 'not out' decision. By not admitting that you did nick it, when you know that you did, you are deceiving the umpire and more or less forcing him to give you 'not out'.
Re: Should you stay or should you go!
walking is a noble practice and those who do it should be commended but i dont think men who dont walk are cheaters.
competitive matches are fun but thats not all. i dont think im trying to fool the umpire because im not making gestures towards him suggesting that im not out. im just waiting for him to give the decision. that is no reason for him to believe that im hinting that im not out. sometimes it takes the batsman sometime to realise what has actually happened.Bashypack said:I think it is exactly the same! - Trying to fool the umpire either way - walking isn't fooling the umpire - its basic honesty - not walking is .... are you saying that competitive matches cant be fun? Like a few others here I play for fun, I also play competitive league cricket .. for fun - pitting my skills against the opposition with the best man coming out on top - if that necessitates cheating then the best man has not won ..... as I said previously we all live by different ethical and moral codes - you know you hit it - why would you not walk???? - surely that is trying to fool the umpire and by your own admission that constitutes dishonesty!! Ah well - lets not all fall out about it - we play cricket for fun we contribute to this site for fun .. just enjoy and be happy with the decision you thing is right!
a good umpire should never depend upon the bowler or the batsman to make his decision. if the umpire actually asked me and i said no then you could say i cheated but that doesnt happen.Nightvision said:
walking is a noble practice and those who do it should be commended but i dont think men who dont walk are cheaters.
bitsandpieces
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it's a personal issue that each player has to reconcile with themselves. Cheater is a pretty harsh word -I wouldn't call someone like Mike Hussey or Mike Atherton a cheater (both are openly non-walkers), but at the same time I would consider myself a cheater if I didn't walk. Each player has their own philosophy on the game, that's what gives it a fantastically rich variety.
Deer, just to clarify, in the majority of games mentioned in this thread we're either talking about members of the batting side who are umpiring, or apparently 'not very good' paid umpires for cup finals... You can hardly expect them to be on the money all the time! What's the difference between a member of your side umpiring and giving you not out when you're really out but dont walk, and that same bloke giving you out when you're not really out. They're going to make mistakes, but would you complain about it if they did the latter?
it's a personal issue that each player has to reconcile with themselves. Cheater is a pretty harsh word -I wouldn't call someone like Mike Hussey or Mike Atherton a cheater (both are openly non-walkers), but at the same time I would consider myself a cheater if I didn't walk. Each player has their own philosophy on the game, that's what gives it a fantastically rich variety.
deer said:
Deer, just to clarify, in the majority of games mentioned in this thread we're either talking about members of the batting side who are umpiring, or apparently 'not very good' paid umpires for cup finals... You can hardly expect them to be on the money all the time! What's the difference between a member of your side umpiring and giving you not out when you're really out but dont walk, and that same bloke giving you out when you're not really out. They're going to make mistakes, but would you complain about it if they did the latter?
AUSSIE_BOY
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im personally a walker... if i get caught behind... i drop my head and turn around b4 the umpire has put his finger up...
i have no disrespect for a batsmen that does NOT walk though....
any batsmen that has had a bit of time at the crease knows that lbw calls etc. dont always go your way... sometimes the call is an absolute JOKE!
so evening it out by getting yourself another chance isnt a "dog" act or anything like that...
im personally a walker... if i get caught behind... i drop my head and turn around b4 the umpire has put his finger up...
i have no disrespect for a batsmen that does NOT walk though....
any batsmen that has had a bit of time at the crease knows that lbw calls etc. dont always go your way... sometimes the call is an absolute JOKE!
so evening it out by getting yourself another chance isnt a "dog" act or anything like that...
MasterBlaster
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It can be considered as cheating or dishonesty but it really depends upon your opinion.I wouldnt call anyone who doesnt walk a cheater. You arent breaking any rules by not walking neither is it a punishable offence if you get caught.
It can be considered as cheating or dishonesty but it really depends upon your opinion.I wouldnt call anyone who doesnt walk a cheater. You arent breaking any rules by not walking neither is it a punishable offence if you get caught.